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Jan 27 16:58:25 <freemangordon> Pali: hi! whiis this https://github.com/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/4db3ba05921cec6ed1a2f263906f6bde7e156104 needed?
Jan 27 16:58:31 <freemangordon> *why is
Jan 27 17:11:23 <Pali> freemangordon: hi
Jan 27 17:11:33 <Pali> commit from 3 years ago?
Jan 27 17:11:38 <Pali> haha do not remember :D
Jan 27 17:11:39 <freemangordon> yep
Jan 27 17:11:50 <freemangordon> look at #maemo-ssu
Jan 27 17:12:21 <Pali> ah, now I know :-)
Jan 27 17:12:47 <freemangordon> well, it is good when commits have descriptions :p
Jan 27 17:12:51 <Pali> see commit: https://github.com/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/0655604fa349944b47028299819c7b2efb6fa42d
Jan 27 17:12:59 <Pali> it is in cssu-thumb
Jan 27 17:13:12 <Pali> and I just copy non-thumb part to cssu-devel :P
Jan 27 17:13:17 <freemangordon> ah
Jan 27 17:13:19 <freemangordon> :D
Jan 27 17:14:06 <Pali> testing/scrumdemo.c uses gtk
Jan 27 17:14:19 <freemangordon> ok, this is it
Jan 27 17:14:37 <Pali> also testing/skeleton.c
Jan 27 17:36:59 <buZz> lol http://neo900.org/stuff/batswap-quick-procedure.gif 
Jan 27 17:37:04 <buZz> does this work? :D
Jan 27 17:38:59 <freemangordon> will see, when and if a real device is finally produced
Jan 27 17:41:54 <buZz> :)
Jan 27 17:42:00 <buZz> i ment on n900 ;)
Jan 27 17:45:04 <buZz> well, i found -some- 3D models of n900 , but they're all commercial ;(
Jan 27 17:45:30 <buZz> @ https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?keyword=n900
Jan 27 18:06:26 <buZz> not so tempted to spend 20 usd just to get a 3d model of ~8 years old without guarantees its even based on measurements :P
Jan 27 18:19:53 <LjL> buZz, so now i have two working batteries
Jan 27 18:23:36 <buZz> is the new one more decent than you thought yesterday?
Jan 27 18:47:38 <LjL> buZz, yeah, it stayed alive all night
Jan 27 18:47:52 <LjL> it is probably okayish
Jan 27 18:48:09 <LjL> plus, i had forgotten that the N900 battery juice estimation is wiggly, and likes to go upwards after going downwards just for fun
Jan 27 18:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> err wut?
Jan 27 18:49:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ((commit from 3 years ago?)) fixing event IDs?
Jan 27 18:50:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh kernel errata, wtf is that even?
Jan 27 18:51:12 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: ((does this work? :D ))  sure, this is a live first take video I made
Jan 27 18:51:30 <DocScrutinizer05> does it work? well, depends on what you expect it to do
Jan 27 18:52:01 <buZz> well i would assume the swapping faster-than-normal would be motivated by keeping-phone-on
Jan 27 18:52:07 <buZz> besides that, i see 0 point to this :P
Jan 27 19:05:58 <DocScrutinizer05> it is a feasibility study for *how long* you need to 'keep the phone on' without battery attached. Dosn'T mean there's an implemented and tested solution for such keeping the phone on during battery swap, other than the test I did with charger atached which worked to keep phone running for hours without battery
Jan 27 19:07:23 <DocScrutinizer05> the concept was to have a 'mobile charger USB stick consisting basicaly of a supercap you charge in USB VBUS boost mode so it works as aux power supply, and that speed swap was for estimating how long such a device would need to provide power
Jan 27 19:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I'm pretty proud of this little stunt :-)
Jan 27 19:19:12 <buZz> good :D
Jan 27 19:32:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the 'problem' with battery hotswap is: bq24150 charger chip doesn't start "charging" in a millisecond, so removing the battery when it's not already "charging" will result in blackout of system
Jan 27 19:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> if you want to test: make sure battery is sufficiently depleted so it gets charged when you attach charger, and do just that. Then `stop bme`, make sure backlight is on level 5 and always on (to keep system consumption above the level where bq24150 stops charging), then swap battery and `start bme`
Jan 27 19:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> no need to hurry, I ean my N900 for several hours without battery this way
Jan 27 19:35:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ran*
Jan 27 19:37:32 <DocScrutinizer05> just when you're in a region with poor signal (so TX will power up) and maybe - to make matters worse - you're on 2G (which is more 'bursty' on power consumption), odds are your system will brown out when modem starts TX for whatever reason
Jan 27 19:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> fun 'experiment': connect phone without battery to Nokia charger. waaaaaait. after quite a long time the steady amber emergency charging LED signal will shine up, indicating that bq24150 tries to "charge" *something*. That something must be CPU idling in bootloader waiting for battery voltage go up to a level where it could actually boot up system. So the whole set is worth nothing for real, but intriguing to watch ;-)
Jan 27 19:42:13 <DocScrutinizer05> (CPU) euther the main CPU or the modem CPU
Jan 27 19:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> either*
Jan 27 19:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> quite scary when you think same situation (of "system" eating energy for no visible effect) might happen on a quite depleted battery as well, depleting it even more
Jan 27 19:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe not really, since it's most likely the VBUS 5V that 'power on' the main CPU. Those are not existent when inserting depleted battery. Dunno if pressing power button could result in same pathological system state
Jan 27 22:14:25 <buZz> so eh, do i need to install something to gain USB host?
Jan 27 22:19:32 <buZz> ah 'usb mode'
Jan 27 23:11:55 <Juesto> is there a good RDP client ?
Jan 27 23:12:02 <Juesto> for maemo ofc
Jan 27 23:17:27 <buZz> rdesktop ?
Jan 27 23:17:40 <buZz> its the only one i know (on linux)
Jan 27 23:50:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Presence?
Jan 28 00:30:21 <LjL> make me a program to automatically IR blast a volume lowering command to the TV when the microphone registers excess loudness
Jan 28 00:47:15 <Juesto> buzz: it is available in maemo?  how good it is?
Jan 28 00:47:27 <Juesto> sixwheeledbeast: how good is that one, isnt that a vnc client?
Jan 28 00:51:08 <buZz> Juesto: its in apt-get
Jan 28 00:51:23 <buZz> no clue what you consider 'good' :P
Jan 28 00:57:41 <Juesto> as in, how it is the perfomance, what protocol version it supports, etc buZz 
Jan 28 01:01:17 <buZz> no clue, check it out
Jan 28 01:01:36 <Juesto> Dont have a maemo :/
Jan 28 01:03:07 <buZz> afaik its available on nearly all linux distros
Jan 28 01:03:37 <Juesto> not really a linux user either, sorry
Jan 28 01:03:53 <buZz> oh ok
Jan 28 01:04:01 <buZz> then why the enquiry?
Jan 28 01:04:25 <Juesto> nevermind then... its just that i am evaluating something about RDP :)
Jan 28 01:04:31 <Juesto> specifically on maemo
Jan 28 01:05:16 <buZz> ok
Jan 28 02:04:19 <Oksanaa> Empty package pool/free/d/db4.2/db4.2-util_4.2.52+dfsg-5maemo1+0cssu0+thumb0_armel.deb Where are the binaries?
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