**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 03:00:01 2017 Feb 06 04:37:51 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q1/175 Feb 06 04:38:34 07777 mode WTF? Feb 06 04:43:03 Isnt that full rwx? Feb 06 04:43:07 :O Feb 06 05:03:34 I think that means sgid and suid. Feb 06 05:03:52 and maybe something else. Feb 06 05:05:59 Oh, it'll be sticky as well, right? Feb 06 05:06:11 dunno what that would mean on a file. Feb 06 05:10:22 Juesto: and yes, the lower three octets indicate ugo+rwx Feb 06 05:11:03 the weird thing is that it has the higher three bits set too, which mean sgid, suid and sticky, in some order (dunno what) Feb 06 05:12:20 so anyone can write a malicious binary to it (because it's o+w), and then execute it with euid 0 (because it's owned by root and +s o+x) Feb 06 05:13:20 Hmmmm Feb 06 05:38:24 "new services as a service" ROTFL Feb 06 05:38:39 spot on Feb 06 05:47:16 maxd: or broken archiver/fs Feb 06 05:57:02 KotCzarny: well, the broken archiver scenario would only really be interesting if the archiver is running with root permissions for some reason. Feb 06 05:57:20 KotCzarny: in which case it .. is already root. Feb 06 05:57:35 maxd: or packaging on some broken os (ie. windoze) Feb 06 05:58:05 Windows doesn't have suid afaik Feb 06 05:58:21 but can have tar and friends Feb 06 05:59:01 and i have seen plethora of different file modes when unpacking archives made on windoze Feb 06 05:59:29 made on windoze, unpacked on linux Feb 06 06:00:27 Again, unless the unarchiver is running as root, it can't make a file with those permissions. Feb 06 06:00:36 (well, it can, but it wouldn't be root-owned) Feb 06 06:00:54 (so it would just be suid/sgid with uid/gid being the user, not 0) Feb 06 06:01:00 i think unarchiver can be told to ignore file flags in such case Feb 06 06:01:16 But it can't create a file owned by root, unless it's running as root. Feb 06 06:01:45 That's just how unix works. Feb 06 06:02:16 [max@jove (~)]$ chown root:root /tmp/1 Feb 06 06:02:16 chown: changing ownership of ‘/tmp/1’: Operation not permitted Feb 06 06:02:40 yes, but im saying file flags stored in archive are broken and should be ignored anyway Feb 06 06:02:43 A bug in the archive or the unarchiver can't just break the unix security mechanism. Feb 06 06:17:56 non-persistent settings in IRC client are reeally a PITA Feb 06 06:19:15 Juesto: yes. And silly systemd used an unsigned int var for file permissions, and then the devel was poettering and stupid enough to defines mode_pemissionflags_invalid=-1 :-P Feb 06 06:37:01 :o Feb 06 06:38:49 so guess what is the result from touch(file, PERMISSION_INVALID) Feb 06 06:41:19 (disclaimer: I didn't look into the flawed code, just seen what the bug ticket explains) Feb 06 06:59:25 commit ee735086f8670be1591fa9593e80dd60163a7a2f Feb 06 06:59:27 util-lib: use MODE_INVALID as invalid value for mode_t everywhere Feb 06 06:59:58 doc, make a blog or something Feb 06 07:00:08 more useful than just random irc bitching Feb 06 07:00:19 mode_t is unsigned, so MODE_INVALID < 0 can never be true. Feb 06 07:09:18 * DocScrutinizer05 makes a blog named "for KotCzarny who doesn't want to read mail archives even when linked to it, and prefers to explain supposed brokenness of archivers instead", then fixes the fallout of that non-persistent mode settings in IRC client another time Feb 06 07:49:43 Looks like I can add the supl server cert fix to the long list of things I have accomplished since I first discovered the Nokia N900 :) Feb 06 07:59:15 wow Feb 06 09:52:27 jonwil: thanks very much for the fix Feb 06 09:52:41 glad my fix is appreciated Feb 06 09:52:45 and will get some use :) Feb 06 09:55:37 Anyone got anything else useful I can reverse engineer or investigate or try and fix? Feb 06 09:56:39 0.2.9 is not yet available in repo, is it? Feb 06 09:56:55 no idea, repos aren't my responsibility Feb 06 09:57:29 lol .. where can i find your updated pacakges then Feb 06 09:58:07 You need to wait for someone to upload them to the repos Feb 06 09:58:13 or build them yourself... Feb 06 09:59:05 ok. will wait then .. 0.2.3 working good for now Feb 06 10:00:18 moin Feb 06 10:02:05 so yeah nothing to work on :( Feb 06 10:09:40 jonwil: even for building "somebody else" likely will need a URL to download Feb 06 10:10:01 jonwil: you should ask fmg Feb 06 10:12:58 The source code you need to compile is in the CSSU repo :) Feb 06 10:13:15 and should be trivial to build for anyone with a working dev env :) Feb 06 10:15:57 i shall test my dev chroot on n900 one day Feb 06 10:16:23 it allows creation of packages in as tiny as 400MB of space Feb 06 10:16:34 fully arm native Feb 06 10:16:58 and being a chroot, it doesnt break device's packages Feb 06 10:20:02 I wouldn't want to do on-device compiling for any of the big packages (I challenge anyone to build microb-engine or QT on-device for example) Feb 06 10:20:30 being a chroot it also allows easy deploy of arm based compile farm Feb 06 10:22:37 jonwil: i have an idea for u. Make irssi script that hibernates it to tray ;) Feb 06 10:23:03 how do you hibernat text program ? Feb 06 10:24:17 Vajb: screen .. it's available for N900 Feb 06 10:24:40 sicelo, but how do you hibernate it to tray? Feb 06 10:25:26 you don't Feb 06 10:25:45 i think he just doesn't want to see the window all the time .. Feb 06 10:25:56 KotCzarny: so it's like musl, but larger Feb 06 10:25:58 ;) Feb 06 10:26:09 err, like alpine* Feb 06 10:27:13 oh it excists already? Feb 06 10:27:54 but otoh im kinda used to have it always open Feb 06 10:29:09 haha Vajb ... it's N900 .. what did you expect .. of course screen exists Feb 06 10:29:32 but its not comfortable to detach/reattach it every time Feb 06 10:29:38 he wants something single click Feb 06 10:29:42 hmm Feb 06 10:30:00 vajb, create a xterm shortcut with screen -rd yourircsession as a command Feb 06 10:30:07 should be enough for what you need Feb 06 10:34:20 think im gonna keep my "don't fix it if it aint broken aproach this time :) Feb 06 10:34:40 vajb, screen + desktop shortcut should be trivial to do Feb 06 10:36:00 but i've been thinking of making irssi plugin for n900 to have notifications on yellow bubles, but i still lack the know how Feb 06 10:36:33 that should be doable with python/dbus maybe? Feb 06 10:37:15 $ apt-cache policy screen Feb 06 10:37:16 screen: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: Feb 06 10:37:50 yes it is i know. I just need to learn enough python to do it Feb 06 10:38:14 guess that makes a script kiddie then :) Feb 06 10:38:22 makes me a* Feb 06 10:38:50 you'll need perl too for the irssi part .. Feb 06 10:40:24 i'd take an existing perl notification script, install phone-control from repo, and use `phone-control --dialog ...` Feb 06 10:40:39 simple and you need no programming knowledge :) Feb 06 10:40:52 I thought irssi optionally required perl Feb 06 10:41:01 oh- nvm Feb 06 10:41:14 you're correct Feb 06 10:41:43 ah right. I mixed perl and python. I meant perl Feb 06 10:42:52 try my suggestions .. should work Feb 06 10:47:56 i might look into it, but i've been meaning to learn some programming anyways. Have just been lazy tho. Feb 06 10:51:05 which language? Feb 06 10:51:30 first perl. I already found book via irssi homepage Feb 06 10:51:47 so far i read the introduction Feb 06 10:52:15 KotCzarny: how about imgur plugin? Coming together neatly? Feb 06 10:52:16 ok :) Feb 06 10:53:17 in an ten years i'll announce my totally awesome n900 specific irssi plugin. Feb 06 10:54:23 * buZz cant wait Feb 06 10:54:35 is there a crowdfunding? :P Feb 06 10:55:30 haha not yet :p Feb 06 10:58:38 :) Feb 06 10:58:50 my plugin has similar pace as yours Feb 06 10:59:11 maybe i'll look into it today Feb 06 11:01:30 Vajb: I'd love a weechat-like remote plugin for irssi ;p Feb 06 11:17:45 awww, my first feature request. Feb 06 11:23:44 Ok so still looking for something to do. Something that doesn't involve Python or Perl or other things I dont have any understanding of or interest in Feb 06 11:31:28 how about fixing callerx? Feb 06 11:38:59 whats callerx? Feb 06 11:39:28 program to block calls based on blacklist or whitelist Feb 06 11:39:51 it works but sometimes in whitelist mode it blocks all calls Feb 06 11:39:56 Vajb: :p Feb 06 11:40:45 i suspect that problem is whitelist file being in mydocs and when phone is mounted to pc. It doesn't reload that file. Feb 06 11:41:14 Sicelo: well u know whos nawel comes first :p Feb 06 11:43:12 hmm what else. Calendar widget could show weeknumber too. Feb 06 11:43:33 jonwil is talking about 'system-level' stuff though Feb 06 11:44:11 well i heard that pulse audio has some things to do... Feb 06 11:44:29 jk tho Feb 06 11:44:30 re: calendar .. there's alternatiove FOSS widget .. you can maybe make feature request on it Feb 06 11:44:46 i'll look onto it Feb 06 11:45:04 i have that alternate widget in use atm Feb 06 11:47:33 wut? Feb 06 11:47:40 install phonecontrol? Feb 06 11:47:49 ~phonecontrol Feb 06 11:47:49 somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Feb 06 16:26:47 Sicelo: 0.2.9 is in cssu-devel repo Feb 06 18:06:22 Do I recall someone mentioning a fix for SMS Conversations silently failing due to Emoji's? I don't care for emojis but if your silently losing SMS messages it's not good. Feb 06 18:09:07 yup, happened to me as well, and fix works Feb 06 18:10:00 Ah, https://github.com/harmattan/emojifix Feb 06 18:10:44 Any chance of getting patched libsms-utils in CSSU? Feb 06 18:14:34 we dont have source so emojifix is only a workaround, and iirc it implies patching a binary Feb 06 18:15:11 so it appears Feb 06 18:17:41 it's quite clever though, and I guess cssu could always push libemojitils to user and run emojifix patcher in postinst Feb 06 18:19:10 happened to me too Feb 06 18:19:22 but didn't know there is a fix Feb 06 18:19:34 well, there is Feb 06 18:20:06 and you can even get (some) emojis working by installing android/iphone fonts Feb 06 18:20:52 well i installed droid fonts, but didn't know what to do with them :) Feb 06 18:32:22 does that fix work with maemo too? Feb 06 18:32:38 umm fremantle i guess Feb 06 18:46:37 hmm reverse engineering rtcom-messaging-ui would be a job fit to jonwil :) Feb 06 18:57:09 hehe Feb 06 20:04:35 freemangordon: thanks. already installed :) Feb 06 20:26:04 anybody wants to do debian packaging of https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-bookmark-engine/commit/1a333cd8b17c94aa48fafb249d8309f51fc11cb2 ? Feb 06 20:26:19 I am really sick of that code :) Feb 06 20:26:54 it is still buggy in some places, but I'll fix those later Feb 06 20:27:09 bencoh: ^^^ Feb 06 20:27:23 mreow Feb 06 20:27:33 wanna package that? Feb 06 20:27:54 lemme see Feb 06 20:28:24 bencoh: there is -dev package in maemo repos you can use as a template for .pc file Feb 06 20:28:44 err, how comes osso-* stuff isn't already packaged? is that RE work? Feb 06 20:29:04 yes, it is Feb 06 20:29:09 "RE finished" nevermind :D Feb 06 20:29:24 yeah I'll have a look at it then :) Feb 06 20:29:26 bencoh: this is what I used to compile gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 gconf-2.0 libxml-2.0` bookmark_parser.c -shared -o osso-bookmark-engine.so -fPIC -Wall -O2 Feb 06 20:40:48 hi Feb 06 20:42:44 jonwil: hi! osso-bookmark-engine RE is finished, it just needs debian packaging and a couple of code fixes :) Feb 06 20:42:55 great :) Feb 06 20:42:59 that's good news Feb 06 20:48:25 Still looking for something to do (and no I dont want to touch osso-bookmark-engine at all :) Feb 06 20:49:33 is it that ugly? :D Feb 06 20:53:07 bencoh: yes, it is, despite I did a lot of fixes Feb 06 20:53:41 for example - it uses globals to pass data bewtween recursive function calls Feb 06 20:53:49 huhu Feb 06 20:54:49 or just look at the so-called lock()-unlock() functions which are supposed to protect bookmarks file from concurrent accesses Feb 06 20:55:30 there was stuff like xmlGetSomething and then g_free on the result Feb 06 20:55:43 half of the allocated things rere not freed Feb 06 20:55:46 *were Feb 06 20:56:07 one and the same code is copy/pasted all over the place (still) Feb 06 20:56:50 honestly, I can;t remember seeing such a piece of crap in whole my dev experience Feb 06 21:24:46 haha Feb 06 21:25:09 maybe once have a look into bme Feb 06 21:25:29 Still cant find anything useful/interesting to do... Feb 06 21:25:43 ^^^ Feb 06 21:25:51 just for fun Feb 06 21:26:30 prolly like watching a train crash Feb 06 21:38:40 oh shit, fuck libtool Feb 06 21:50:01 Not even going to touch the mess that is BME... Feb 06 22:08:59 Gotta be something I can work on/do that doesn't involve touching nasty code (or code in languages I cant understand like Python or Perl or ARM FPU) Feb 06 23:00:24 freemangordon: http://cgit.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git/ Feb 06 23:00:44 might not be perfect, but that's all for tonight Feb 06 23:09:27 bencoh: thanks a lot :) Feb 06 23:09:52 will merge it tomorrow on github Feb 06 23:15:36 yw :) Feb 06 23:17:57 cool Feb 06 23:28:18 Good that another package has been replaced by FOSS :) Feb 06 23:42:03 freemangordon: could you take a note about jonwil's patch? [2017-02-06 Mon 11:12:58] The source code you need to compile is in the CSSU repo :) Feb 06 23:42:36 hello Feb 06 23:42:58 I was wondering if anyone here has experience installing (Arch/Debian/Ubuntu/anything) Linux on a N810? Feb 06 23:43:11 hellp user with intriguing nickname! ;-) Feb 06 23:43:18 :P Feb 06 23:43:35 Just grabbed an N810 because I've always wanted a pocket linux pc Feb 06 23:43:42 realized i have no experience putting linux on n810s Feb 06 23:44:21 N810 has nasty issues with charging, as long as you don't have maemo4 bme running on it Feb 06 23:44:32 oh? Feb 06 23:44:45 will I be able to charge an N810 over USB? Feb 06 23:44:53 charging on N910 is soft100% software controlled afaik Feb 06 23:45:08 N810* Feb 06 23:45:20 no, the N810 doesn't charge over USB Feb 06 23:45:24 crap Feb 06 23:45:29 i bought it without a USB Feb 06 23:45:32 i mean charger Feb 06 23:45:32 ;~; Feb 06 23:45:59 you need a 6V power supply with correct barrel jack, no big thing Feb 06 23:46:08 5V, sorry Feb 06 23:47:01 or simply an adapter USB->barreljack Feb 06 23:47:21 hm Feb 06 23:47:41 AC-4E charger (genuine N810) is rated 5.0V/890mA Feb 06 23:48:18 2mm barrel jack Feb 06 23:48:35 the latter is a tad nasty to find and handle, very flimsy Feb 06 23:49:33 hm Feb 06 23:49:42 im looking around and it seems like the Nokia N810 takes USB chargers? Feb 06 23:49:46 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Home-Wall-Travel-charger-MICRO-USB-for-Nokia-n810-Internet-tablet-/120937987151?hash=item1c28773c4f:m:miK5kXcRoA7uDoShvb4_AAw Feb 06 23:50:40 N810 does not charge via usb. Feb 06 23:52:17 we had that already, yes Feb 06 23:53:29 sorry Doc, just confirming it. I own four of them. Feb 06 23:53:43 :( why is life difficult Feb 06 23:54:43 also see flashing instructions which do require to first attach USB and start flasher, only THEN attach the 2.1mm OD power plug which will boot up the system from power-down Feb 06 23:55:39 the boot-up is donw since charging is software controlled, and it doesn't charge from USB so no bootup there Feb 06 23:57:37 the small yellow one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Klinken-_und_Hohlstecker.jpg Feb 06 23:59:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector#Listing_of_DC_coaxial_connectors 2.0mm OD "used in Nokia", first row Feb 06 23:59:57 http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-PC-Cable-Charger-For-NOKIA-Astound-C7-E5-E61i-E66-N810-6555-6702-SLIDE-2680-/351204264172 into a standard cellphone charger will work? Feb 07 00:00:16 it says it supports the N810 but at this point ebay seems to be more fiction than fact Feb 07 00:00:21 also I really appreciate the help Doc Feb 07 00:02:05 n810moron: that looks fine. Feb 07 00:02:11 http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/566370_-ladegeraet-ac-4e-nokia.html Feb 07 00:02:50 yes, yours also looks like matching Feb 07 00:03:24 Alrighty! Feb 07 00:03:29 Thank you so much :)! Feb 07 00:03:49 yw :-) Feb 07 00:04:50 https://www.amazon.com/NOKIA-AC-4U-WALL-CHARGER-2135/dp/B003UHQFY0 for our third-world-citizens ;-) Feb 07 00:07:26 prolly you might want to use a dedicated charger rather than a USB adapter, since ... well, USB is rated at max 500mA unless you use a dedicated USB outlet charger anyway Feb 07 00:08:18 USB charging never really been a comprehensive concept Feb 07 00:09:04 alwys had wide 'niche' usecases where at best it simply fails charging, wors case causes hardware defects Feb 07 00:09:53 ;-; Feb 07 00:10:06 there are notebooks known where attaching such a USB charger adapter would fry the USB port Feb 07 00:10:17 hm Feb 07 00:10:50 it's arguable who's at failt then, since USB are specified as shortcircuit-proof Feb 07 00:11:29 also this is historical anecdote which has little relevance nowadays Feb 07 00:12:07 welp Feb 07 00:12:26 i found a usb charger that can put out 750mA Feb 07 00:12:34 close enough :? Feb 07 00:12:37 sound just ok for this purpose Feb 07 00:12:45 yes, absolutely Feb 07 00:12:56 awesome C: Feb 07 00:14:55 AC-4E is rated 890mA and Nokia is known to overprovision quite a lot on their chargers Feb 07 00:15:09 interesting Feb 07 00:15:09 so 750mA will just do Feb 07 00:15:23 lovely :) Feb 07 00:15:45 im quite excited to play with the n810 when it comes, so you'll definitely be seeing quite a bit of me come this friday :) Feb 07 00:16:00 you're welcome :-) Feb 07 00:16:24 and i'm sure you'll like the N81ß at very least the mech make Feb 07 00:16:29 it's awesome device Feb 07 00:16:41 :D Feb 07 00:17:03 also just found a 850mA/5.1V charger, which I think is just about right? Feb 07 00:17:09 yes Feb 07 00:17:35 :D awesome Feb 07 00:18:42 have a wonderful day, bye! Feb 07 00:19:21 the 2.0mm barrel plug has one "advantage" over micro-USB plugs for charging: before you damage the device by bending the plug (like happens when N900 drops when plugged to charger) you rather simply breal the damn flimsy plug Feb 07 00:20:11 happened to me already Feb 07 00:23:13 those shitty plugs feel like to lever a 100g chocolate with a spaghetto (pasta, dried) Feb 07 00:23:22 Perhaps i can flash maemo on nexus 5x? Feb 07 00:23:31 or dual boot Feb 07 00:24:00 no you can't Feb 07 00:24:09 what alternatives do i have to the device itself but using a armel android instead Feb 07 00:24:18 for using maemo Feb 07 00:24:40 maemo has not yet been ported to any other devices than 770, N8x0, N900, N9, and beaglboard Feb 07 00:26:02 freemangordon is working on making it operable on some cheablet Feb 07 00:26:42 he and Wizzup and a few others aiui Feb 07 00:27:05 yep. the tablet we got is a pretty good platform to test Feb 07 00:27:20 the screen resolution is also somewhere in there like n900 Feb 07 00:27:22 on N900 there were like 5 or 6 different OS operable Feb 07 00:27:28 beaglboard ? Feb 07 00:27:44 beagleboard_xM Feb 07 00:28:02 ~fptf Feb 07 00:28:02 somebody said fptf was the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Feb 07 00:28:28 http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Beagle Feb 07 00:28:39 parazyd: I am planning to continue work on wednesday Feb 07 00:28:46 I probably won't get time before wed Feb 07 00:29:04 done by Carsten Munk aka Stskeeps Feb 07 00:29:11 i hadn't had time myself either Feb 07 00:29:26 will try to continue tomorrow at bridge. got a fast machine there :) Feb 07 00:29:40 ok, cool :) Feb 07 00:30:06 ooh, not even xM I guess, just plain BeagleBoard Feb 07 00:30:24 iirc the beagleboard has the same gpu as n900, right? Feb 07 00:31:52 yes Feb 07 00:32:07 it has the same SoC Feb 07 00:32:20 almist the same Feb 07 00:32:47 iirc N900 is HS, while BB is GP Feb 07 00:33:14 aka OMAP3430 vs OMAP3530 Feb 07 00:33:55 N900 indeed is a HS device, but not enabled Feb 07 00:35:02 Neo900 is OMAP3730 and still very similar GPU Feb 07 00:35:38 PVR540 vs N900 PVR530 iirc Feb 07 00:36:38 I personally thing it should be backward compatible kust like the complete OMAP3630 is backward compatible to OMAP3430 Feb 07 00:36:43 think* Feb 07 00:37:55 IOW it might be faster and have more features but is feature complete to its ancestor Feb 07 00:42:33 what i should buy then? Feb 07 00:42:36 n900 or n9? Feb 07 00:42:52 is there a device where maemo works reliably fast? Feb 07 00:43:24 N900 Feb 07 00:44:22 n9 is on meego Feb 07 00:44:23 N9 is for HARM only, and when Maemo fremantle is zombie then HARM to me smells like rotten hell Feb 07 00:44:41 i could buy a n9 Feb 07 00:44:46 found in mercadolibre Feb 07 00:45:03 but not a full n900 Feb 07 00:45:12 different parts instead Feb 07 00:45:16 oh it's a nice device, but I doubt any CSSU alike activity will arise for N8/HARM ever Feb 07 00:45:45 N9* Feb 07 00:45:47 and neo900 ? Feb 07 00:45:56 Neo900 is in development Feb 07 00:46:11 and guaranteed to be compatible to maemo fremantle Feb 07 00:46:21 does it exist already? Feb 07 00:46:30 just with twice as fast CPU and 4 times the RAM Feb 07 00:46:32 aka full built yet and usable Feb 07 00:46:40 Neo900 is in development Feb 07 00:46:49 by development you mean..? Feb 07 00:46:59 we're layouting proto_v2 Feb 07 00:47:34 you don't want a Neo900 anyway when you already wonder if you want a N900 Feb 07 00:47:44 it's way too expensive for your needs Feb 07 00:48:39 :/ Feb 07 00:48:54 i'll be using it for trying out Feb 07 00:48:59 something to explore Feb 07 00:49:04 since i already have android Feb 07 00:49:53 you have no idea about what it's like to use maemo on a phone until you own and use a N900 Feb 07 00:49:55 a n900 is literally unobtainable here in argentina also Feb 07 00:50:09 DocScrutinizer05: or any other maemo device ;) Feb 07 00:50:15 and I hardly know anybody who wants to go back to android after using maemo Feb 07 00:50:50 so the n900 is the "top device" nokia made ? Feb 07 00:50:54 of the maemo series Feb 07 00:50:55 Juesto: yes, Argentina is an awful place to be, for maemonians Feb 07 00:51:05 :| Feb 07 00:51:17 Juesto: yeah its the top model, the others arent phones, just pda/'internet tablets' Feb 07 00:51:20 yes, basically. Though Nokia would say the N9 was Feb 07 00:51:27 N9-00 Feb 07 00:51:28 differences? Feb 07 00:51:36 which isnt the same as N9 , afaik Feb 07 00:51:48 Differences? Feb 07 00:51:50 N9 is HARM and locked down into oblivion Feb 07 00:51:57 ~aegis Feb 07 00:51:57 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Feb 07 00:52:19 TPM framework? Feb 07 00:52:23 yes Feb 07 00:52:37 sevureboot shit Feb 07 00:52:39 interesting Feb 07 00:52:43 secureboot* Feb 07 00:52:47 aka EFI Feb 07 00:52:53 trustzone/M-Shield Feb 07 00:53:00 aaaaahhh Feb 07 00:53:04 Oh well Feb 07 00:53:17 aka tivoization Feb 07 00:53:29 anyways, is there a way to fix the most prone to break parts of the n900? such as the usb pot Feb 07 00:53:32 port Feb 07 00:53:41 N9 is broken by design Feb 07 00:53:49 ... Feb 07 00:53:56 as far as HARM OS is concerned Feb 07 00:53:57 there is always a way to fix anything Feb 07 00:54:08 it just might take infinite effort/energy Feb 07 00:54:21 hm Feb 07 00:54:22 buZz: in this case literally Feb 07 00:54:24 anyways Feb 07 00:54:36 DocScrutinizer05: i have good hopes :P Feb 07 00:54:40 i am talking about the n900 hardware that is prone to be broken Feb 07 00:54:50 asking* Feb 07 00:55:09 buZz: since you have to fix not only bootloader but whole HARM which is security infested from top to toes Feb 07 00:55:28 DocScrutinizer05: i already switched topic to n900 :P Feb 07 00:55:38 +back Feb 07 00:55:41 err sorry, flu Feb 07 00:55:51 bear with me Feb 07 00:55:52 *hug* Feb 07 00:56:57 parts prone to brwak in N900? let's see... USB jack, flat cable, NASTY "No SIM" aka BGA solder points popping open Feb 07 00:57:42 first two easily fixable, latter one almost impossible Feb 07 00:57:51 o_O Feb 07 00:58:36 then lately it seems the PVR segfault issues increase, maybe it wears out over time too Feb 07 00:58:56 i have heard someone blew their GSM radio in n900 Feb 07 00:59:01 it still worked afterwards Feb 07 00:59:22 huh? mind to elaborate? Feb 07 00:59:30 yeah not sure Feb 07 00:59:52 ~springfix Feb 07 00:59:53 i guess springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 Feb 07 01:00:15 related? ^^^ Feb 07 01:02:57 not sure, may be Feb 07 01:05:30 well Feb 07 01:05:46 it did seem interrupted connection caused his radio to not work Feb 07 01:05:52 or at least, error out Feb 07 01:08:13 it's hard to make smart meaningful comments on "someone blew their GSM radio in n900" Feb 07 01:08:18 ;-) Feb 07 01:09:05 basically the BB5 modem also is an OMAP system so technically unbrickable. Only failure mode is hw defect Feb 07 01:09:20 everything else is just a sw bug or hickup Feb 07 01:12:06 DocScrutinizer05: there doesnt always have to be the perfect answer ;) i dont have more details than that it wasnt transmitting and still functioning Feb 07 01:13:56 the only 3 known hw failure modes in N900 BB5 are: *- frying by battery reversal *- antenna (or SIM) contact dirty (clean it) *- NASTY: chip BGA solder pints pop open from beding PCB by hard pressure to keyboard Feb 07 01:14:59