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Mar 13 10:12:18 <peetah> ~scratchbox
Mar 13 10:12:18 <infobot> scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Mar 13 10:12:29 <peetah> ~scratchbox2
Mar 13 10:14:17 <peetah> is scratchbox still the recommended environment to develop for Maemo ? what about scratchbox2
Mar 13 10:14:20 <peetah> ?
Mar 13 10:14:30 <KotCzarny> depends what you are going to do
Mar 13 10:15:10 <KotCzarny> for qt apps there was madde
Mar 13 10:15:30 <KotCzarny> for simple 'compile package' one could get away with chroot (especially true on arm systems)
Mar 13 10:15:49 <KotCzarny> ~sb2
Mar 13 10:15:55 <KotCzarny> ~madde
Mar 13 10:15:56 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, madde is http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde‎
Mar 13 10:17:15 <peetah> basically compiling stuff
Mar 13 10:17:33 <KotCzarny> big or small?
Mar 13 10:17:53 <peetah> I would like to try having tor up to date
Mar 13 10:18:29 <peetah> maybe adding signal protocol for SMS as well as OMEMO for Conversations
Mar 13 10:18:45 <KotCzarny> you might check sb vm image
Mar 13 10:18:49 <KotCzarny> ~tabletsdev
Mar 13 10:18:49 <infobot> from memory, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Mar 13 10:18:51 <peetah> "try" is the key word here :)
Mar 13 10:18:53 <KotCzarny> see last link
Mar 13 10:19:03 <peetah> ok thanks
Mar 13 10:19:06 <KotCzarny> there are images (~1gig)
Mar 13 10:19:28 <KotCzarny> and there are bootable cd created from it available in some tmo thread
Mar 13 10:19:59 <KotCzarny> do you own any arm machine?
Mar 13 10:20:40 <peetah> yes but my sheevaplug is not powerful enough for development
Mar 13 10:20:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 13 10:21:05 <KotCzarny> if you are really adventurous you could try using my arm chroot directly on n900
Mar 13 10:21:16 <KotCzarny> (or via ssh)
Mar 13 10:21:36 <KotCzarny> its small ~400MB unpacked
Mar 13 10:21:50 <KotCzarny> and being chroot it's self contained
Mar 13 10:21:55 <peetah> why not cross compiling ?
Mar 13 10:22:11 <KotCzarny> i have a 4xcortex-A7 machine
Mar 13 10:22:26 <KotCzarny> it's running 24/7 and drawing ~2Watts of power
Mar 13 10:22:35 <peetah> nice
Mar 13 10:22:44 <KotCzarny> so it's that and laziness
Mar 13 10:23:17 <KotCzarny> as i would've had to get my x86 box either booting via network or running all the time and eating lots of power
Mar 13 10:23:51 <KotCzarny> so for a sinmpl 'i want to compile package xyz' it's definitely easier to manage
Mar 13 10:23:56 <KotCzarny> *simple
Mar 13 10:24:30 <KotCzarny> i haven't tried to run it on n900 though, so dont know if it works there without fixing something
Mar 13 10:26:59 <peetah> I had a scratchbox environment back in the day of my functional n900, but I deleted it when it failed to make phone calls. I got a new one recently so I would like to build a dev env up to date
Mar 13 10:55:39 <KotCzarny> you can still make network-controllable audio player from that broken n900
Mar 13 10:56:03 <KotCzarny> and use your laptop or other n900 to control it
Mar 13 10:56:15 <KotCzarny> if you are interested, check out my player
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