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Mar 17 15:42:03 <Sicelo> not exactly big deal, but why would powertop crash on my N900?
Mar 17 15:42:17 <Sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/922301/
Mar 17 15:42:31 <KotCzarny> trying to access some inexistent resource?
Mar 17 15:42:38 <Sicelo> that's strace powertop .. zzztop works fine however
Mar 17 15:42:50 <Sicelo> and powertop worked before
Mar 17 15:43:09 <KotCzarny> you've got a virus?
Mar 17 15:43:11 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 17 15:43:24 <Sicelo> of course not
Mar 17 15:43:42 <KotCzarny> usually segv is a programmer error
Mar 17 15:43:58 <KotCzarny> assuming too much about input and failing when it's out of assumptions
Mar 17 15:44:13 <KotCzarny> hard to guess what is the cause in this case
Mar 17 15:44:23 <KotCzarny> you can also try to run it under gdb
Mar 17 15:45:29 <Sicelo> i don't have it on N900. i guess i'll wait for next power down event. 27 days uptime atm
Mar 17 16:54:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: segv usually means "pointer to <invalid addr>" (often zero). Anyway it seems to not happen in a system function, and since we have no source for powertop, it's pretty hard to tell what goes haywire
Mar 17 16:57:35 * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't use maemo powertop since ages, zzztop is so many magnitudes better
Mar 17 18:09:45 <Sicelo> thanks for the info DocScrutinizer05 & KotCzarny 
Mar 17 18:17:53 <Vajb> hmm is it safe to kill mafw dbus wrapper?
Mar 17 18:18:38 <Vajb> i think it is doing something stupid since i can't recall it using 15% cpu constantly
Mar 17 18:18:42 <freemangordon> Vajb: yes, it will be restarted when needed again
Mar 17 18:18:47 <Vajb> before i mean
Mar 17 18:18:54 <Vajb> ok
Mar 17 18:29:44 <DocScrutinizer05> "using 15% CPU" is pretty much bogus values on a device with dynamic CPU clock freq scaling, and even zeroclock
Mar 17 18:32:01 <DocScrutinizer05> "using 5% CPU" might be much worse (when it's with 1000MHz CPU clock, and 100% C1 state) than "using 100% CPU" with CPU at 250MHz for a 20ms per second, and sleping for the rest of the time
Mar 17 18:32:58 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless mafw wrapper shouldn't use any percentage ( >0%) of CPU, unless you have some media content active
Mar 17 18:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the 'problem" with %-CPU is that it's a relative value in relation to the total CPU cycles done
Mar 17 18:34:40 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Mar 17 18:35:10 <DocScrutinizer05> definitely it's not taking CPU freq into account
Mar 17 18:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and CPU freq = 0Hz is completely throwing over all the numbers
Mar 17 18:38:14 <Vajb>  load average: 0.22, 0.43, 0.39
Mar 17 18:38:33 <Vajb> before i killed mafw it was around 2,6
Mar 17 18:39:26 <Vajb> i know it doesn't make sense with 15 percent cpu usage, but it seemed to fix that anyways.
Mar 17 18:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, it makes perfect sense. Load can be >1 even on single core, since load also counts in wait-for-IO
Mar 17 19:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> during which CPU is (or can be) idle
Mar 17 21:02:15 <sixwheeledbeast> I know I didn't write it but I'm glad I had time to package zzztop for maemo, it's only a perl script but very handy to pull a useful diag tool from Extras.
Mar 18 00:48:29 <wookey_> what a useful app to display GPS locations in WGS84?
Mar 18 00:48:59 <wookey_> none of GPSrecorder, modrana, nor mappero seem to do this
Mar 18 00:49:09 <wookey_> (display in lat/long)
Mar 18 00:50:08 <wookey_> I also never found a way to get modrana or mappero to show simple 'hardware GPS' style direction+distance to a given location
Mar 18 00:50:29 <wookey_> this mode is everso useful when trying to find cave entrances
Mar 18 02:46:00 * jonwil wishes he knew enough about Qt UIs to figure out how to make the journey legs in Fahrplan clickable...
Mar 18 02:46:16 <jonwil> Fixed another issue just now though
Mar 18 02:46:35 <jonwil> It was printing "-1 transfers" for journeys that had just one walking leg and nothing else
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