**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 20 03:00:01 2017
Mar 20 11:06:28 <buZz> hmm ok, nice , devuan on n900 is pretty smooth :P
Mar 20 11:42:31 <Wizzup> buZz: x11 working fine?
Mar 20 11:43:44 <buZz> yeah, just the Y axis is reversed
Mar 20 11:43:51 <buZz> and i need to get rightclick working :P
Mar 20 11:46:50 <Wizzup> I'm going to setup a devuan one too this week
Mar 20 11:47:00 <Wizzup> hibernate? works? touchscreen as well then?
Mar 20 11:47:14 <Wizzup> tried 3g modem?
Mar 20 11:47:17 <buZz> touchscreen works, havent tried hibernate yet
Mar 20 11:47:22 <buZz> i dont use GSM at all
Mar 20 11:47:41 <Wizzup> you'll need  ofono at least presumably
Mar 20 11:47:47 <Wizzup> I'll try it on ascii
Mar 20 11:48:04 <Wizzup> already have it working on gentoo, so...
Mar 20 11:48:06 <buZz> no i dont need ofono at all
Mar 20 11:49:13 <KotCzarny> how do you disable modem? it might be still connected even when unused
Mar 20 11:49:15 <Wizzup> I didn't mean you specifically
Mar 20 11:49:33 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: just send it the power down?
Mar 20 11:49:43 <Wizzup> it may still be on, but that's what you can do
Mar 20 11:49:47 <buZz> i havent looked at it, i just have it without simcard now
Mar 20 11:49:51 <Wizzup> or physically kill it, but 'meh'
Mar 20 11:49:54 <buZz> cba to care about it really :P
Mar 20 11:49:59 <Wizzup> buZz: modem still works without sim
Mar 20 12:13:29 <buZz> well, pm-suspend doesnt let me return to awake
Mar 20 12:13:30 <buZz> boo
Mar 20 12:13:38 <buZz> lets see  if pm-hibernate acts better
Mar 20 12:17:26 <buZz> pm-hibernate does nothing
Mar 20 12:47:14 <spiiroin> just fyi: in sfos suspend is bound to display state (mce); and iphb is fixed to use rtc / timerfd to allow timer based resumes
Mar 20 13:07:09 <Sicelo> what is the best/safest way to restart hildon-desktop/home/status-menu?
Mar 20 13:08:14 <Sicelo> i used kill, and now Ctrl+Backspace does not work
Mar 20 13:09:19 <Sicelo> mmm, even shortcut for xterminal and screenshot not working
Mar 20 13:17:31 <Sicelo> by the way, it is not a hardware problem.. ctrl k the backspace are recognized in all other programs
Mar 20 13:31:14 <Vajb> Sicelo: device restart :)
Mar 20 13:41:31 <Sicelo> nooo :p
Mar 20 13:42:01 <Sicelo> don't want that .. 30 days uptime, and i'd like to have more
Mar 20 13:45:37 <Vajb> oo race is on "uptime 37 days" ;)
Mar 20 13:47:58 <auenf> my n900 is up 53 days atm
Mar 20 13:50:09 <Vajb> does it still run smoothly auenf?
Mar 20 13:50:25 <Vajb> asking coz mine has felt sluggigs
Mar 20 13:50:35 <Vajb> sluggish*
Mar 20 13:50:53 <auenf> running ok
Mar 20 13:51:04 <auenf> altho, it doesnt do anything except be an alarm clock atm
Mar 20 13:53:07 <Vajb> oh. Mine serves as phone, socialmedia and music player
Mar 20 13:53:52 <Sicelo> mine works fine .. not sluggish :)
Mar 20 13:53:58 <Sicelo> daily & main phone
Mar 20 13:55:14 <inz> My N810 has 104 days, but all it does is update dynamic dns ;)
Mar 20 13:58:08 <KotCzarny> inz: make it an audio device, remotely controllable from your n900
Mar 20 13:58:09 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 20 14:00:23 <inz> KotCzarny, if you know how to make N810 to act as a A2DP receiver, then I would be very interested...
Mar 20 14:00:51 <KotCzarny> network audio?
Mar 20 14:01:03 <inz> Bluetooth audio
Mar 20 14:01:21 <KotCzarny> does n810 have bt?
Mar 20 14:01:28 <inz> yes
Mar 20 14:01:50 <KotCzarny> and no one ported some receiver already?
Mar 20 14:01:57 <inz> No idea.
Mar 20 14:03:07 <KotCzarny> oh fun, my dynamic ip is in spam list, time to reset the modem
Mar 20 14:03:34 <inz> Maybe spam less?
Mar 20 14:04:09 <KotCzarny> rrright, if this sh*tty isp didnt change my ip every ~20hours
Mar 20 14:04:28 <Vajb> too agressive multiplayer advertisement :p
Mar 20 14:04:43 <inz> Boo shitty ISP
Mar 20 14:05:25 <inz> My ip has stayed the same for as long as I remember, even through a few hour blackout
Mar 20 14:06:07 <KotCzarny> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73533
Mar 20 14:06:26 <KotCzarny> hrm, folks there talk as if a2dp on n8x0 was no-brainer
Mar 20 14:06:41 <Sicelo> if you have pulseaudio, bluez, pulseaudio-bt
Mar 20 14:06:49 <KotCzarny> n8x0 has esd
Mar 20 14:06:56 <KotCzarny> no evilaudio there
Mar 20 14:07:09 <bencoh> talking about a2dp receiver, I just tried bluez-alsa (alsa plugin for bluez5)
Mar 20 14:07:36 <KotCzarny> inz: have you ever tried http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13468 ?
Mar 20 14:07:54 <inz> KotCzarny, wrong direction
Mar 20 14:08:10 <KotCzarny> oh, you mean n810 to send audio
Mar 20 14:08:52 <KotCzarny> or not. n810 has to be the receiver or sender?
Mar 20 14:08:56 * KotCzarny got confused
Mar 20 14:09:05 <Sicelo> :-)
Mar 20 14:11:39 <inz> KotCzarny, n810 to receive audio over bt and pass over to jack
Mar 20 14:14:16 <KotCzarny> ahm. and what is the reason not just use n810 as a native player?
Mar 20 14:16:31 <buZz> lol
Mar 20 14:16:42 <buZz> why is n900 complaining about empty battery -during- charging ? :D
Mar 20 14:16:53 <KotCzarny> buzz: not enough amps?
Mar 20 14:17:01 <KotCzarny> buzz: using more than receiving?
Mar 20 14:17:10 <KotCzarny> buzz: not charging at all?
Mar 20 14:17:20 <buZz> nah it was just suddenly complaining in my bag, i connected to usb just now
Mar 20 14:17:37 <buZz> after the 'usb connected' sound, again 3 times 'huuu almost empty weepweepweep'
Mar 20 14:17:51 <buZz> should just if(!charging) {
Mar 20 14:26:08 <KotCzarny> inz: http://www.lightofdawn.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00032
Mar 20 14:26:50 <buZz> KotCzarny: cool
Mar 20 14:27:11 <KotCzarny> though on n810 that would mean need to fit that somehow with hw sink(oss)/esd
Mar 20 14:27:56 <buZz> hmmm
Mar 20 14:28:03 <buZz> maybe i should try xstroke @ n900 :P
Mar 20 14:28:10 <buZz> relearn graffiti ^_^
Mar 20 16:36:25 <DocScrutinizer05> FYI: hibernate isn't what you usually want to use in embedded
Mar 20 16:37:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hibernate is a pathetic effort to implement some low-power state on devices that don't know zero-clock
Mar 20 16:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> inz: that would nead... A2DP headphone profile? Damn BT!
Mar 20 16:48:15 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: (should just if(!charging) { ) afaik that's exactly what it does
Mar 20 16:48:50 <buZz> welp, it was nagging quite hard for like 20-30 minutes :P
Mar 20 16:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> CSSU?
Mar 20 16:55:37 <DocScrutinizer05> seems there's still some bug sleeping there
Mar 20 16:59:39 <DocScrutinizer05> would be great if you could reproduce this, while running some diagnostic instrumentation
Mar 20 17:20:24 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly dbus-monitor in 2 instances logging both session and system bus, and syslog, and bq27200.sh>batlog
Mar 20 17:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> bq27200.sh 15 >batlog
Mar 20 17:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> for some strace stuff, please ask Pali
Mar 20 17:22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hald-addon-bme? some systray yaddayadda noideawhatsthename. might be useful tarfets for strace
Mar 20 17:45:20 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: hmhm, i dont wanna invest a lot of time digging into maemo
Mar 20 17:45:41 <buZz> i'll just accept it complains about empty battery while charging and move on ;)
Mar 20 17:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: btw, quite important info: WHICH 'charger' did you use? PC USB host? Original Nokia charger? Some generic USB charger?
Mar 20 17:53:53 <buZz> the former :)
Mar 20 17:53:58 <DocScrutinizer05> OOOOH
Mar 20 17:54:13 <buZz> its a 1A capable usb host though
Mar 20 17:54:54 <DocScrutinizer05> that's irrelevant since N900 doesn't even know such thing _exists_. It will charge with max 599mA from USB host
Mar 20 17:54:57 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Mar 20 17:55:03 <buZz> alright
Mar 20 17:55:08 <buZz> still, charging = charging
Mar 20 17:55:12 <buZz> its not not charging
Mar 20 17:55:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, sure
Mar 20 17:55:36 <buZz> :)
Mar 20 17:55:41 <DocScrutinizer05> but the internal 'flow chart' is quite different
Mar 20 17:56:27 <DocScrutinizer05> USB host charging is much more software centricthan deicated USB charger
Mar 20 17:57:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and actually the "1A" thing might be the root cause of the problem, since maemo prolly doesn't understand that in ENUM power negotiation  and so might fall back to 100mA charging or no charging at all
Mar 20 17:58:55 <DocScrutinizer05> where "no charging at all" in turn might mean that hw emergency charging takes over, doing a 100mA charging to only 3.6V iirc
Mar 20 17:59:42 <DocScrutinizer05> charging is way more intricate than you'd think it was
Mar 20 18:00:23 <buZz> sure
Mar 20 18:00:29 <buZz> the OS knew it was charging
Mar 20 18:00:48 <buZz> charging animation was on, notification leds blinking to show it
Mar 20 18:00:57 <buZz> yet, it still complained about being close to empty
Mar 20 18:01:06 <KotCzarny> i still bet it was using more than sucking
Mar 20 18:01:24 <buZz> it did charge to ~25% eventually
Mar 20 18:01:30 <buZz> after complaining for ~30 minutes
Mar 20 18:03:46 <KotCzarny> indexer finished killing your device? :P
Mar 20 18:03:51 <buZz> :D
Mar 20 18:04:05 <buZz> could be
Mar 20 18:05:52 <DocScrutinizer05> please keeo bq27200.sh around, for decent checks in case it happens again. Thanks!
Mar 20 18:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k
Mar 20 18:06:09 <buZz> i'll check it out later
Mar 20 18:06:45 <DocScrutinizer05> damn bot
Mar 20 18:07:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k
Mar 20 18:08:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Mar 20 18:08:10 <infobot> thx
Mar 20 18:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k
Mar 20 18:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues bq27
Mar 20 18:08:40 <infobot> Factoid search of 'bq27' by value (5): bq27 ;; bq27k-detail ;; calibratebq27200 ;; bq-calibrate ;; bq27200.
Mar 20 18:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27
Mar 20 18:08:49 <infobot> from memory, bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/
Mar 20 18:09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27200
Mar 20 18:09:53 <infobot> [bq27k-detail] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2, or ~bq27
Mar 20 18:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh
Mar 20 18:11:05 <DocScrutinizer05> please wget and chmod +x this
Mar 20 18:18:25 <DocScrutinizer05> you also want to install i2ctools for that
Mar 20 18:19:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ignore the scary warnings i2ctools installation pops up ;-)
Mar 20 18:20:22 * DocScrutinizer05 considers powerkernel overclocking app way more dangerous than i2ctools
Mar 20 19:24:38 <kerio> yo Pali 
Mar 20 19:24:39 <kerio> are you around
Mar 20 19:24:47 <Pali> hm?
Mar 20 19:24:59 <kerio> i have bought a pi 0 w
Mar 20 19:25:00 <kerio> ;o
Mar 20 19:25:07 <kerio> how do i do usb gadget mode with more than one module?
Mar 20 19:25:14 <kerio> iirc it was something supported by recent linuxes
Mar 20 19:25:22 <KotCzarny> lol, rpi?
Mar 20 19:25:30 <KotCzarny> seriously? 
Mar 20 19:25:35 <kerio> KotCzarny: the pi 0 wireless is /actually useful/ now
Mar 20 19:25:39 <KotCzarny> you got ripped
Mar 20 19:25:40 <kerio> because it has wifi
Mar 20 19:26:03 <KotCzarny> off
Mar 20 19:26:04 <Pali> only one gadget module can be attached/loaded
Mar 20 19:26:28 <kerio> no g_usbhub module? :(
Mar 20 19:26:41 <Pali> no
Mar 20 19:26:49 <KotCzarny> there is a gadget that does network + something
Mar 20 19:27:12 <KotCzarny> so just see what gadgets are available
Mar 20 19:27:28 <KotCzarny> but seriously, buying rpi is a sucker's choice :P
Mar 20 19:27:28 <Pali> you can export via one usb gadget more functions
Mar 20 19:27:41 <Pali> there is one userspace for it
Mar 20 19:28:10 <kerio> what about g_multi
Mar 20 19:28:21 <Pali> configfs
Mar 20 19:28:42 <Pali> iirc gadget modules are already deprecated
Mar 20 19:28:42 <kerio> In it's standard configuration it provides a single USB configuration
Mar 20 19:28:43 <kerio> with RNDIS[1] (that is Ethernet), USB CDC[2] ACM (that is serial) and
Mar 20 19:28:43 <kerio> USB Mass Storage functions.
Mar 20 19:28:48 <kerio> that's perfect :o
Mar 20 19:29:33 <Pali> CONFIG_USB_CONFIGFS
Mar 20 19:29:42 <Pali> For more information see Documentation/usb/gadget_configfs.txt.
Mar 20 19:30:25 <kerio> dammit, it wants a file to do mass storage :<
Mar 20 19:30:43 <Pali> modprobe libcomposite
Mar 20 19:30:46 <Pali> RTFM
Mar 20 19:35:03 <kerio> meh, it's too complicated
Mar 20 19:35:09 <kerio> i'll just leave g_ether and forget about the serial console
Mar 20 20:18:04 <Sicelo> Pali: what is correct way to restart h-d? killall is evidently not good
Mar 20 20:18:21 <Pali> stop and start via dsme
Mar 20 20:18:48 <Sicelo> hmm, let me check how to do that
Mar 20 20:20:14 <Sicelo> dsmetool i guess? 
Mar 20 20:28:20 <Sicelo> maemo with no h-d running looks freaky :)
Mar 20 20:29:02 <Sicelo> anyway, didn't solve my problem .. reboot incoming when i get fed up with lack Ctrl-BkSp functionality
Mar 20 20:36:18 <Enrico_Menotti> Hello everybody. I'd like to know a few things about the boot process in the N900. I know there is some hardware boot, which for the moment I won't consider, and a certain point the NOLO system comes into play.
Mar 20 20:36:43 <Enrico_Menotti> Does anybody know how to access NOLO and configure it so that it may boot something different from Maemo?
Mar 20 20:37:34 <Enrico_Menotti> I've read that with u-boot by Pali the process is NOLO -> U-Boot -> kernel, so I'd like to know how NOLO can boot u-boot instead of Maemo's kernel.
Mar 20 20:40:07 <Sicelo> layman's terms - uboot presents itself as the kernel, so NOLO thinks it's starting a regular kernel .. 
Mar 20 20:41:10 <Enrico_Menotti> But is it possible to upload and boot a kernel without flashing it to the device?
Mar 20 20:41:58 <Enrico_Menotti> I am asking this because I would like to try some things about kernel hacking, and to try I need to upload and boot the kernel without flashing it.
Mar 20 20:42:28 <Sicelo> yes, it's possible. the flasher has a -l switch for that
Mar 20 20:43:02 <Enrico_Menotti> Sicelo: You mean Nokia's flasher, or Pali's 0xFFFF?
Mar 20 20:43:08 <Sicelo> 0xFFFF has similar functionality i believe
Mar 20 20:44:19 <Enrico_Menotti> The problem with 0xFFFF is that... well, let me tell the whole story. I ported 0xFFFF on my Mac. The Nokia bootloader is not working anymore on newer Macs. And on Windows it was not working properly.
Mar 20 20:44:57 <Enrico_Menotti> Now the problem with 0xFFFF is that if it does not do the job properly, it gets in a loop and I need to shut down my computer and reboot it.
Mar 20 20:46:03 <Enrico_Menotti> So I would like to understand how the flasher (Nokia's or 0xFFFF) does its job.
Mar 20 20:47:04 <Enrico_Menotti> Sicelo: Do you have any knowledge about this?
Mar 20 20:49:18 <Sicelo> no idea. told you i'm a layman :)
Mar 20 20:49:35 <Sicelo> you'll have to ask Pali and other knowledgeable ones
Mar 20 20:50:58 <Enrico_Menotti> I asked Pali privately. He told me to ask here.
Mar 20 20:51:41 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 20 20:51:52 <Enrico_Menotti> KotCzarny: ?
Mar 20 20:51:53 <KotCzarny> rebooting whole computer because of hung flasher?
Mar 20 20:52:00 <Enrico_Menotti> Yes.
Mar 20 20:52:24 <Enrico_Menotti> Anyway I have been able to reflash the device - now it's alive again.
Mar 20 20:53:17 <KotCzarny> that's good
Mar 20 20:53:48 <Sicelo> yes he answers here when he has time :)
Mar 20 20:53:57 <Sicelo> like he answered my question about h-d
Mar 20 20:54:50 <Enrico_Menotti> Sicelo: would be great if he could provide a link to some documentation, if ever one exists.
Mar 20 21:06:29 <Sicelo> on another note: is osso-feed reader open? 
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