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Mar 27 11:21:28 <NeKit> is virtual keyboard open-source?
Mar 27 11:22:26 <bencoh> I think it is, or at least some of it
Mar 27 14:09:49 <vahe> hi all, i need http://revelation.olasagasti.info/  revelation for maemo :)
Mar 27 19:14:04 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: any idea what the largest SD card the X40 can take?
Mar 27 19:16:00 <KotCzarny> i would bet xc ones 
Mar 27 19:22:21 <Sicelo> it's nice way to have extra storage
Mar 27 19:26:28 <Maxdamantus> If you're using an OS based on something like Linux, you should be able to handle any size SD card.
Mar 27 19:26:46 <Maxdamantus> unless people have added arbitrary limitatiuons.
Mar 27 19:26:51 <KotCzarny> those uhs-2 and higher might be tricky
Mar 27 19:27:03 <Maxdamantus> They really shouldn't be.
Mar 27 19:27:29 <Maxdamantus> If they have a FAT filesystem, devices should be able to interact with them in exactly the same way.
Mar 27 19:29:16 <Maxdamantus> I suspect the main reason devices would be marked as incompatible will be that SDXC/SDXC cards are supposed to come with ex-FAT or whatever it's called.
Mar 27 19:29:33 <Maxdamantus> but you can of course write something else on there.
Mar 27 20:16:20 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Mar 27 20:17:00 <DocScrutinizer05> oh X40 is a device?
Mar 27 20:18:17 <Sicelo> old IBM laptop
Mar 27 20:18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh I didn't witness a "too large" in SD cards yet, seems even the oldest standards are still supported by newest cards, and somehow they manage to address full storage capacity too
Mar 27 20:20:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I however seen a special rootfs image not booting when dd'ed to a uSD >512(?) MB size
Mar 27 20:21:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/
Mar 27 20:23:28 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz
Mar 27 20:32:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ((even the oldest standards are still supported by newest cards)) in expression UHS-2 cards still should support all older protocols too
Mar 27 20:33:10 <DocScrutinizer05> when a N900 can take a 256GB UHS uSD, I can't figure how a X40 wouldn't ;-)
Mar 27 20:35:39 <DocScrutinizer05> technically I guess UHS and SDXC are orthogonal, and SDXC is backward compatible to SDHC
Mar 27 20:37:16 <DocScrutinizer05> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDXC
Mar 27 20:39:42 <DocScrutinizer05> thiugh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Compatibility suggests otherwise
Mar 27 20:46:36 <Sicelo> i did think of the N900 .. well - the actual root of the question is - a friend has bought an HP DL380 G7 server for some storage needs at his home .. now he wishes to book off the SD slot, and wishes to buy a 128GB card for that purpose, but wasn't sure if it would work or not
Mar 27 20:49:20 <DocScrutinizer05> >>However, older host devices do not recognize SDHC or SDXC memory cards, although some devices can do so through a firmware upgrade<<
Mar 27 20:50:23 <DocScrutinizer05> "firmware" here mosz certainly refers to the OS drivers, which are latest on any OS >=win7, and linux, obviously
Mar 27 20:50:32 <DocScrutinizer05> most*
Mar 27 20:52:41 <DocScrutinizer05> electrically SDHC can handle SDXC afaik, your drivers just need to know about the meanings of the bits in card registers
Mar 27 20:53:14 <enyc> DocScrutinizer05: hrrm but 2.6.28 kernel ... limitations?
Mar 27 20:54:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I think Nokia did some updates on the SD drivers
Mar 27 20:55:36 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not like maemo stock kernel was a genuine 2.6.28 kernel
Mar 27 21:08:58 <Maxdamantus> It works because SD cards don't use something like a bus to communicate. They just speak some networking protocol involving packets.
Mar 27 21:09:59 <Maxdamantus> The controller hardware doesn't care what addresses you're sending to the card. It's pretty much up to software (eg, your Linux kernel) and the controller on the card.
Mar 27 21:10:35 <Maxdamantus> and Linux wouldn't put weird limits into their SD drivers.
Mar 27 21:11:26 <Maxdamantus> some software might though; my old music player (Sansa Clip Zip) has some 4GB or 8GB limit.
Mar 27 21:12:13 <Maxdamantus> but if you run Rockbox on it (which was my intention from the start), you don't have that limitation since their sofware just uses 64-bit addresses everywhere.
Mar 27 21:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> The EFF is campaigning to save online privacy in the USA, read more: https://act.eff.org/action/don-t-let-congress-undermine-our-online-privacy
Mar 27 21:16:02 <Sicelo> nice explanation Maxdamantus. thanks
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