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Apr 03 03:04:19 <DocScrutinizer05> aah :-)
Apr 03 05:11:57 <KotCzarny> willmore, laziness and dumb users. too many choices and chaos would ensue ;)
Apr 03 05:12:02 <KotCzarny> eh. echan.
Apr 03 05:57:23 <xes> uh? DocScrutinizer05_v2.1 ?? :)
Apr 03 08:19:35 <brolin_empey> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32795263337/32795263337.html?shortkey=3u6jyEJB&addresstype=600
Apr 03 08:19:35 <brolin_empey> Is there a disadvantage to this low-cost model of smartphone other than the non-removable battery and the lack of an integrated hardware keyboard?  Let me guess, someone will mention the Android OS as opposed to a GNU+Linux OS, lack of long-term OS updates, or allegation of spying or a backdoor because it is from a Chinese company.
Apr 03 08:21:45 <bencoh> brolin_empey: or the qualcomm (american company, mind you) backdoor
Apr 03 08:25:51 <brolin_empey> bencoh: You mean in the cellular modem?
Apr 03 08:26:39 <bencoh> yeah
Apr 03 08:26:50 <bencoh> (which is in the soc)
Apr 03 08:27:57 <brolin_empey> I am considering buying this product for my friend, not for myself.
Apr 03 08:32:31 <brolin_empey> I do not know if the user can have superuser access on this computer either.  My friend may not care but I have always had superuser access, which is part of why I am not considering the BlackBerry Priv.
Apr 03 08:36:49 <brolin_empey> The HTC myTouch 4G Slide from 2011 and the similar HTC Desire Z AKA T-Mobile G2 from 2010 have an integrated hardware keyboard but the hardware keyboard lacks arrow keys or a D-pad.  At least for the myTouch 4G Slide, the newest version of the Android OS available seems to be only 4.x, specifically 4.4, but some things, such as Termux, already require at least 5.0 .
Apr 03 08:43:33 <KotCzarny> if one doesnt care about software and just wants to have pr0n gadget, sure, it will do
Apr 03 08:44:08 <KotCzarny> main disadvantage would be trying to get it repaired in case something bad happens
Apr 03 08:57:53 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: it = what?  The computer I referenced on AliExpress?
Apr 03 08:59:26 <KotCzarny> if by computer you mean phone, yeah
Apr 03 09:02:01 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: No, by computer I mean mobile computer with converged telecommunication capability, commonly known as a smartphone even though it can be used only as a computer and not as a telephone.
Apr 03 09:03:33 <KotCzarny> no, n900 is a mobile computer
Apr 03 09:03:43 <KotCzarny> that android phone is a gadget
Apr 03 09:06:07 <brolin_empey> The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada.  We have already had this discussion months or years ago.
Apr 03 09:06:47 <KotCzarny> im not talking about phone part, do we?
Apr 03 09:07:04 <KotCzarny> unless you've changed definition of the computer again
Apr 03 09:27:43 <buZz> >  The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada.
Apr 03 09:27:44 <buZz> haha
Apr 03 09:27:55 <buZz> yeah  nationality greatly affects ability to use linux
Apr 03 09:55:22 <ovaltine_> nationality affects ability to use linux? :O
Apr 03 09:55:26 <ovaltine_> thats not good to hear
Apr 03 09:56:12 * ovaltine_ finally understands why he is still a newbie after 6 years of using n900
Apr 03 10:01:34 <buZz> ovaltine_: ^_^ i was joking :P
Apr 03 10:02:03 <ovaltine_> phew
Apr 03 14:03:39 <brolin_empey> buZz: You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.  I said “in Canada”, not “for Canadians”.  The Nokia N900 has limited cellular connectivity, which is especially limiting in Canada.  Find my previous discussion in the public log of this channel if you want the details.
Apr 03 14:07:18 <buZz> i'd rather not be aware of any logs
Apr 03 14:07:49 <buZz> but, isnt cellular reception in ~99% of canada non-existant?
Apr 03 14:07:55 <buZz> wouldnt you rather have a iridium device?
Apr 03 15:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks
Apr 03 15:50:16 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: thats humor , right? :P
Apr 03 15:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I wish it was
Apr 03 15:51:53 <DocScrutinizer05> UMTS and LTE bands are a clusterfsck
Apr 03 15:52:02 <buZz> yeah i dno
Apr 03 15:52:15 <buZz> it sorta matches my idea of most of canada not having mobilephone coverage
Apr 03 15:52:18 <buZz> but what do i know
Apr 03 15:52:59 <DocScrutinizer05> err, coverage is the one thing I can't find info for in that wikipage
Apr 03 15:53:19 <buZz> there is https://opensignal.com/ but doesnt seem to have a lot of canadian samples
Apr 03 15:53:53 <DocScrutinizer05> what I see is Canada is 1700 AWS
Apr 03 15:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and 850/1900
Apr 03 16:23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe helping: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31587
Apr 03 16:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: iridium is a zombie (was already dead before CIA(?) bought it for their purposes) and quite expensive
Apr 03 16:38:19 <buZz> its still working and active
Apr 03 16:38:46 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, but in a zombie state
Apr 03 16:38:47 <buZz> iirc they even threw some new iridium sats up recently
Apr 03 16:39:05 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, this must be Trump's idea
Apr 03 16:39:15 <buZz> guy knows shit about tech
Apr 03 16:39:31 <buZz> on January 14, 2017
Apr 03 16:39:36 <buZz> 10 got launched
Apr 03 16:39:44 <DocScrutinizer05> no of course not, but he's willing to spend billions into "USA FIRST"
Apr 03 16:40:02 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: sure USAFIRST while moving all production to other nations
Apr 03 16:40:22 <buZz> i love this kinda nationalism , 'I WILL MAKE JOBS' *closed all solar factories*
Apr 03 16:41:35 <DocScrutinizer05> >>... offer from Iridium as set by its parent company Motorola. The company failed to earn revenue sufficient to service the debt associated with building out the constellation and Iridium went bankrupt, the largest bankruptcy in US history at the time<<
Apr 03 16:42:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ooooh! >>Iridium is currently developing, and is expected to launch during 2017 and 2018,[10] Iridium NEXT, a second-generation worldwide network of telecommunications satellites<<
Apr 03 16:43:37 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation#See_also
Apr 03 16:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Thuraya has very attractive offers
Apr 03 16:53:25 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Their service was restarted in 2001 by the newly founded Iridium Satellite LLC, which was owned by a group of private investors [[aka CIA straw men]]. Although the satellites and other assets and technology behind Iridium were estimated to have cost around US$6 billion, the investors bought the firm for about US$35 million.<<
Apr 03 16:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> all their spies and all their military abroad *needs* a service like Iridium
Apr 03 16:55:47 <buZz> yeah
Apr 03 16:55:58 <buZz> if you have a SDR you can listen in to iridium ;)
Apr 03 16:56:09 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 03 16:56:15 <DocScrutinizer05> not encrypted?
Apr 03 16:56:15 <buZz> https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/
Apr 03 16:56:20 <buZz> most isnt, no
Apr 03 16:56:45 <DocScrutinizer05> haha, Thuraya is GSM-pimped
Apr 03 16:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so at least weakly encrypted
Apr 03 16:57:17 <buZz> nice, i saw the 1TB rainbow table requirement dropped since ~2013
Apr 03 16:57:24 <buZz> as cpus are now fast enough to do it realtime
Apr 03 16:58:32 <DocScrutinizer05> honesrly, in the end what counts is indoor call receive, and minute tariff
Apr 03 16:58:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and there Thuraya is unbeatable afaik
Apr 03 16:59:42 <buZz> dno
Apr 03 16:59:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and since it's GSM-mod'o'fied there are even Thuraya sleeves for iPhones
Apr 03 16:59:53 <buZz> i dont feel a need to talk through a microphone to people
Apr 03 17:00:15 <buZz> seems outdated :P
Apr 03 17:07:27 <DocScrutinizer05> >>page not found<<
Apr 03 17:08:29 <DocScrutinizer05> you meant this? http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/
Apr 03 17:11:42 <DocScrutinizer05> weird, the video seems hard to find
Apr 03 17:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/muccc/iridium-toolkit still there so I doubt it's a conspiracy ;-)
Apr 03 17:12:53 <buZz> what video?
Apr 03 17:13:06 <buZz> https://media.ccc.de/search/?q=iridium <-- one of these?
Apr 03 17:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly
Apr 03 17:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I meant the one at bottom of http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/
Apr 03 17:35:58 <buZz> thats https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_6236_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201412281645_-_iridium_pager_hacking_-_sec_-_schneider 
Apr 03 18:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> WAAAAHHHH!!!!! Calypso chipset!!
Apr 03 18:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> 28:50 ROTFL!!! sending pager messages is for free
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Apr 03 18:44:17 <DocScrutinizer05> https://messaging.iridium.com/
Apr 03 19:06:42 <M4rtinK> lol
Apr 03 19:06:50 <M4rtinK> what could possibly go wrong :)
Apr 03 19:07:09 <M4rtinK> (world wide satellite base SPAM! ;-) )
Apr 03 19:22:40 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed it's rate limited and volume/month limited
Apr 03 19:24:53 <DocScrutinizer05> plus you need to know the recipient number, and I guess other safeguard measures apply, like "what's your email addr? please verify by clicking the link in the mail you received"
Apr 03 22:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99214
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