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May 16 16:26:57 <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I decided to try to run Hildon on Devuan on my laptop. Probably that's quite mad, but I'm just trying to understand the dipendencies. I installed hildon-theme-cacher_0.4.3-1-recomp1_i386.deb, libglib2.0-0_2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5_i386.deb, and tried with libgtk2.0-0_2.14.7-1maemo33+0m5_i386.deb (all found at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/). When I do dpkg -i libgtk..., I get this error:
May 16 16:26:59 <Enrico_Menotti> hildon-theme-cacher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open
May 16 16:27:57 <Enrico_Menotti> I had a look around and found this symbol to be specific for certain Maemo versions. But I haven't been able to manage to get the right versions in order to avoid this error. Anybody knows anything about this?
May 16 16:33:57 <KotCzarny> looks like you have to use fmg's gtk too
May 16 16:40:39 <sixwheeledbeast> search suggests you may need maemo glibc?
May 16 16:41:11 <Enrico_Menotti> glibc? I didn't find hints in this direction. Let me check.
May 16 16:41:19 <sixwheeledbeast> https://github.com/community-ssu/glibc
May 16 16:41:47 <KotCzarny> maybe you meant glib, not glibc ?
May 16 16:43:06 <sixwheeledbeast> glib yep sorry
May 16 16:43:27 <Enrico_Menotti> Ah ok.
May 16 16:44:02 <freemangordon> Enrico_Menotti: you'd better use "my" hildon etc port
May 16 16:44:31 <Enrico_Menotti> Hi freemangordon ! Thanks for joining the discussion! :)
May 16 16:45:08 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I was just trying to understand what happens with the stock Maemo packages.
May 16 16:45:30 <freemangordon> "what happens" in what regard?
May 16 16:46:31 <Enrico_Menotti> I mean, I don't know exactly how the Hildon stack works, yet. So I was trying to do something with the stock packages before going to your port.
May 16 16:46:51 <bencoh> they probably just wont be supported and source packages will need to be rebuilt (and ported in some cases)
May 16 16:47:00 <freemangordon> you won;t be able to use stock packages on devuan
May 16 16:47:12 <freemangordon> bencoh: :nod:
May 16 16:47:28 <Enrico_Menotti> I expected some problems, indeed. But the error I reported seemed to me a conflict between two Maemo packages, not with standard Devuan packages.
May 16 16:47:59 <Enrico_Menotti> Anyway, I will gladly give up with stock Maemo.
May 16 16:48:55 <Enrico_Menotti> freemangordon But I'd need some help in starting with your port.
May 16 16:49:45 <freemangordon> what kind of help?
May 16 16:50:05 <freemangordon> basically you have to clone the source code and build it
May 16 16:50:24 <freemangordon> some stuff like themes is not there, but can be found on the inet
May 16 16:51:07 <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, ok. Let me go back to your thread and your repository, I will ask more precise questions, ok?
May 16 16:51:26 <freemangordon> ok
May 16 16:54:52 <Enrico_Menotti> So, my starting point would be http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96800&highlight=hildon&page=18.
May 16 16:55:37 <Enrico_Menotti> I didn't read all the replies to that thread, but first I'd like to understand whether this is applicable to gtk2, or gtk3 only, and where to start from.
May 16 16:56:10 <freemangordon> Enrico_Menotti: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2
May 16 16:56:21 <freemangordon> first build and install gtk2 from there
May 16 16:56:57 <freemangordon> then clone hildon-desktop and try to build it. initially it will fail, but you'll have the list of all the needed dependencies
May 16 16:57:30 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok. Just one more question. If I got it right, the stack goes like X11 -> gtk+ -> Hildon. Please correct me if I am wrong, and let me know further layers, if any.
May 16 16:57:48 <freemangordon> yes, there is clutter
May 16 16:57:58 <freemangordon> for hildon-desktop
May 16 16:59:11 <Enrico_Menotti> So clutter is a package in-between gtk+ and Hildon-desktop?
May 16 16:59:56 <freemangordon> no, clutter is a package between hildon-desktop and opengl drivers
May 16 17:01:56 <Enrico_Menotti> Mhmmm I'd need a drawing :) . For now let me try building gtk2, then let's see what happens.
May 16 17:02:27 <sicelo> there should be one on the wiki somewhere
May 16 17:03:16 <Enrico_Menotti> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture ?
May 16 17:20:58 <Enrico_Menotti> Ufff... I played a bit too much with Maemo packages. Seems my Devuan system on the laptop is a bit broken. I fear it's time to reinstall it, it'd be cleaner and faster, I think. So I will do this task, then try to build gtk+ and hildon-desktop. See you later... :/
May 16 19:09:47 <Vajb> is there support for chromecast for maemo?
May 16 19:11:15 <sicelo> very doubtful :)
May 16 19:16:57 <Vajb> hehe, had to ask anyway. Coz gf bought it. Would be nice show off for maemo to have it :)
May 16 19:19:11 <Sicelo009N> the tech is way newer than the N900
May 16 19:20:10 <Vajb> i know. Only thing older is my car...
May 16 19:20:23 <KotCzarny> i'm older than n900!
May 16 19:21:01 <Vajb> oh yeah me too
May 16 19:21:40 <KotCzarny> i think even oscp is older than n900, though it had different name then
May 16 19:23:12 <Vajb> oh, i thought u made it for n900
May 16 19:23:23 <KotCzarny> nah, it's as old as 2003
May 16 19:23:34 <KotCzarny> for n900 i just packaged it nicely
May 16 19:23:47 <Sicelo009N> not forgetting that chromecast depends on google features we definitly have no support of in maemo
May 16 19:23:48 <KotCzarny> and added maemo specific parts
May 16 19:24:19 <Vajb> oh. It needs oscp xp update :)
May 16 19:24:34 <KotCzarny> it already runs on windoze ;)
May 16 19:24:46 <KotCzarny> both core and remotes
May 16 19:25:59 <Vajb> chromecast is somekind of wlan hotspot or something?
May 16 19:26:13 <KotCzarny> more like vnc
May 16 19:26:18 <KotCzarny> i think
May 16 19:27:24 <Vajb> so in theory one could access to it via wpa suplicant?
May 16 19:29:10 <Sicelo009N> chromecast? not really - from what i know it has a proprietary protocol
May 16 19:30:10 <Vajb> hmm i think i need to read about it. So far all i've heard r praises of how magnificant it is.
May 16 19:35:48 <Sicelo009N> if you could get chrome on N900 ... perhaps then
May 16 19:46:38 <Vajb> i saw there was some progress with sailfish, but probably that wont help
May 16 19:49:12 <sicelo> progress with chromecast?
May 16 19:50:54 <Vajb> maybe progress is too optimistic word, it showed up in wlan :)
May 16 19:51:43 <Sicelo009N> i'm sure picking it up will be easy
May 16 19:52:14 <Sicelo009N> the hard part will be to actually do something - 'talk' to it - that's where you need the protocol
May 16 19:53:00 <Vajb> somehow i have a feeling that n900 isn't going to stream audio over wlan by default
May 16 19:53:29 <Vajb> maybe only thing we need is oscp chromecast plugin ;)
May 16 19:53:53 <Sicelo009N> wrong on your feeling :p
May 16 19:55:07 <Sicelo009N> remember we ARE dlna/upnp compliant (client)
May 16 19:55:12 <Vajb> oh, then we just need to stream in a way that shows through chromecast
May 16 19:55:40 <Vajb> hmm it was mentioned as upnp client (chromecast)
May 16 19:56:10 <Vajb> or is it more like host...
May 16 19:57:36 <Sicelo009N> it should be more a client
May 16 19:58:00 <Sicelo009N> the 'source' would be the device
May 16 19:58:49 <Sicelo009N> so if you want to try, set up N900 as upnp/dlna server ... i doubt you'll achieve much, but hey! i might be proved wrong :-)
May 16 19:59:40 <Vajb> who knows, i'd like to do it just as proof of concept :)
May 16 19:59:55 <Vajb> but im afraid im way over my head there
May 16 20:01:08 <Vajb> and as playing from my device is as hard as plugging 3.5mm audio cable to it, so...
May 16 20:01:22 <Sicelo009N> by the way i've never used (or seen in real life) a chromecast device ... but reading about them i couldn't help but noticed the very tight integration they have with google services. on pcs you almost can only use them with chrome browser, nothing else
May 16 20:03:21 <Vajb> maybe there is some omen in the name
May 16 20:52:29 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I have again a clean Devuan system on my laptop. Now I can start again playing with gtk+ (this time from freemangordon's repository.) :)
May 16 21:15:05 <Enrico_Menotti> I cloned https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/gtk. I know it's my fault and I'm still inexpert, but I don't figure out how to build it. Sorry. :/
May 16 21:17:47 <Enrico_Menotti> Is it debhelper?
May 16 21:22:27 <inz> I think you'll need Gtk+ 2.24.31 source, place the debian/ dir from the repo in it and run fakeroot debian/rules build
May 16 21:24:40 <Enrico_Menotti> Ah. Really unexpected here. I expected to find the sources there.
May 16 22:01:13 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I explored a bit the gtk+ repository, and freemangordon's. In the former, there is indeed a debian/ directory. Some files seem to be replaced by the debian/ dir in the other repository. But what for the others? And, in order to build, may I use the autogen.sh? I am a bit confused.
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