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Jun 06 03:00:27 <L29Ah_> and actually 1 seems to be good for a forest under half a moon worth of light
Jun 06 03:04:37 <L29Ah_> Forbidden
Jun 06 03:04:38 <L29Ah_> FUCK
Jun 06 03:06:45 <L29Ah_> maemo.org admin is an evil bastard
Jun 06 09:07:24 <parazyd> freemangordon: we're almost ready :) yesterday there were two successful devuan installs using the repo that our amprolla made
Jun 06 09:08:18 <parazyd> now just to finish the updating part, and then we can hopefully use the CI seamlessly
Jun 06 09:15:06 <jonwil> hi
Jun 06 09:43:39 <badcloud-> hello
Jun 06 09:44:32 <badcloud-> has any one managed to pull off triple boot (CSSU Thumb/Arch/Nitdroid)?
Jun 06 09:47:34 <badcloud-> I've tried multiple times but have always got stuck when cssu thumb blocks installation of uboot
Jun 06 10:57:45 <badcloud-> are there any new phones running maemo these days?
Jun 06 11:05:18 <kerio> no
Jun 06 11:06:30 <badcloud-> kerio: or otherwise, any phones more advanced in hw than the n900?
Jun 06 11:06:38 <kerio> the neo900 i guess
Jun 06 11:06:53 <badcloud-> kerio: right, thanks
Jun 06 11:09:03 <badcloud-> kerio: are you a developer?
Jun 06 15:48:03 <L29Ah_> parazyd: where can i read about the devuan status?
Jun 06 15:48:19 <parazyd> what kind of status?
Jun 06 15:48:45 <L29Ah_> what's ready and what has to be done to port devuan to n900 and use all its hardware
Jun 06 15:49:03 <parazyd> not sure
Jun 06 15:49:10 <parazyd> freemangordon, Wizzup ^^?
Jun 06 15:49:38 <parazyd> but i believe most of the hardware works
Jun 06 15:49:43 <parazyd> ... already
Jun 06 15:49:58 <L29Ah_> can i make calls?
Jun 06 15:49:58 <parazyd> if not all
Jun 06 15:50:24 <parazyd> Wizzup mentioned someone did, but with very lousy quality, and pulseaudio
Jun 06 15:50:32 <parazyd> i think machek did
Jun 06 15:50:49 <parazyd> modem works with ofono
Jun 06 15:53:06 <Wizzup> L29Ah_: audio call is still difficult. most of the other parts just work. sans power saving (afaik) and usb host hacks.
Jun 06 15:53:29 <Wizzup> L29Ah_: but that status is similar to gentoo on my n900. we're chasing devuan to make it easy to use/update/run.
Jun 06 15:53:52 <Wizzup> calls wil require further RE if pulseaudio, which might happen, but we first need to get some other things done.
Jun 06 15:54:08 <Wizzup> 'amprolla' was required to be able to properly build pkgs for maemo w/ devuan infra
Jun 06 15:54:30 <Wizzup> parazyd: the poor quality was -without- pa
Jun 06 15:54:32 <L29Ah_> who needs pulseaudio anyway
Jun 06 15:54:36 <Wizzup> if we ge the proper pa pugins ported, it can work.
Jun 06 15:54:43 <parazyd> oh
Jun 06 16:01:58 <bencoh> Wizzup: meaning you've tested pavel work on audio/telephony?
Jun 06 16:02:04 <bencoh> pavel's* work
Jun 06 16:04:33 <Wizzup> no, I reported on what pavel wrote to me. but I have instructions on how to reproduce.
Jun 06 16:05:14 <Wizzup> I cannot test it now since calls are 2EUR /minute here in hong kong for me
Jun 06 16:07:14 <bencoh> ah...
Jun 06 16:07:23 <bencoh> wait, what?!
Jun 06 16:07:45 <bencoh> 2E/min?!
Jun 06 16:08:02 <bencoh> international roaming?
Jun 06 16:08:14 <parazyd> it's not the EU
Jun 06 16:32:48 <freemangordon> L29Ah_: define "port devuan to n900 and use all its hardware". I mean - do you need DE or console only, which HW, etc etc. also, it is not devuan that provides support for the HW, but kernel. see http://elinux.org/N900 for what is the status
Jun 06 16:33:48 <L29Ah_> actually i don't know how's ofono doing
Jun 06 16:33:59 <L29Ah_> it looked rotten a year or two ago
Jun 06 16:34:12 <L29Ah_> and i don't know if it's possible to make voice calls w/o it
Jun 06 16:35:02 <freemangordon> me neither, pavel posted some success, but I don't know the details
Jun 06 16:42:38 <Wizzup> bencoh: yeah, international
Jun 06 16:42:51 <Wizzup> L29Ah_: ofono works
Jun 06 16:42:57 <Wizzup> at least for internet
Jun 06 16:43:07 <Wizzup> I have that working. calls I have not been able to test extensively.
Jun 06 16:43:12 <Wizzup> 'rotting for 1 year' does not seem that bad
Jun 06 16:46:26 <bencoh> L29Ah_: iirc there are several versions/forks of ofono and it didnt sem abandoned last time I checked
Jun 06 17:19:03 <Enrico_Menotti> freemangordon Hello. I have been able to apply your patches to gtk+ with quilt. But still does not build. On Sunday I reported here details of the error I get.
Jun 06 17:27:22 <freemangordon> Enrico_Menotti: ok, will look at it as soon as I have some spare timr
Jun 06 17:27:40 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, thank you.
Jun 06 19:59:18 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.osso.nl/ o.O
Jun 06 20:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<freemangordon> L29Ah_: define "port devuan to n900)) thanks!
Jun 06 20:03:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and when ofono is abandoned, I'd rather prefer to pick FSO every day
Jun 06 20:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fso
Jun 06 20:04:17 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. http://www.freesmartphone.org//
Jun 06 20:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~shr
Jun 06 20:04:21 <infobot> i guess shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed.
Jun 06 20:07:40 <L29Ah_> shr is rotten
Jun 06 20:07:56 <sicelo> :D
Jun 06 20:07:59 <L29Ah_> and is basically gentoo forked long time ago
Jun 06 20:10:40 <DocScrutinizer05> err wut?
Jun 06 20:12:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you won't find the 3 months old ultra bleeding edge system that comes with stuff having 20 years of stabilizing/riping
Jun 06 20:12:47 <bencoh> s/gentoo/openembedded/
Jun 06 20:13:05 <L29Ah_> openembedded is a gentoo fork
Jun 06 20:13:35 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.freesmartphone.org//implementations/ has nice building blocks, is *not* rotten, and SHR used FSO since 7+ years to implement dialer and whatnot, also on N900
Jun 06 20:13:55 <bencoh> s/fork/inspired by/
Jun 06 20:14:12 <bencoh> but yeah, okay ... a *really* long time ago
Jun 06 20:14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> openembedded is an Angstrom fork
Jun 06 20:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> aka "linux for stiching machines"
Jun 06 20:15:07 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: nope
Jun 06 20:15:28 <bencoh> angstrom is (used to be) an openembedded-based distribution
Jun 06 20:15:37 <bencoh> but anyway
Jun 06 20:15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or that
Jun 06 20:15:56 <L29Ah_> https://github.com/freesmartphone/cornucopia/commits/master i'd name this rotting
Jun 06 20:16:15 <L29Ah_> yet worth giving a shot
Jun 06 20:16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't care what you name it
Jun 06 20:17:01 <L29Ah_> tell us if you succeed building it
Jun 06 20:17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> do you follow the "as long as there's no new bug every week, it must be abandoned" definition of rotten?
Jun 06 20:17:19 <bencoh> L29Ah_: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/network/ofono/ofono.git btw
Jun 06 20:18:17 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head on people thinking of code like of hamburger meat
Jun 06 20:19:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and why would *I* tell *you* about building FSO? Why don't *you* tell MickeyL?
Jun 06 20:20:24 <DocScrutinizer05> you get response and competent help within 24h. My defin ition of the opposite of abandoned/rotten
Jun 06 20:23:24 <L29Ah_> https://github.com/freesmartphone/cornucopia/issues it certainly is then
Jun 06 20:24:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you het what you pay for. come up with something better, dude!
Jun 06 20:24:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you want android
Jun 06 20:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> piecemeal from a very short menu, made fresh for your nausea every other week
Jun 06 20:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> each time with an icing of new rogueware and new bugs
Jun 06 20:27:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you think of hamburger meat, I think of brandy or whiskey
Jun 06 20:30:29 <DocScrutinizer05> guess what's Devuan! it tries to keep that "rotten" stuff, to get rid of that new cancer introduced by nitwits who want "fresh"
Jun 06 20:35:40 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly what sense is in "no matter if it *works* or has any value, as long as it **builds** on kernel7.384"?
Jun 06 20:36:27 <DocScrutinizer05> don't you think fixing building issues is way easier than fixing design flaws and lacks in functionality?
Jun 06 20:47:29 <DocScrutinizer05> loosely related:
Jun 06 20:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~/x> tar --version
Jun 06 20:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> tar (GNU tar) 1.26
Jun 06 20:47:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Copyright © 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Jun 06 20:47:51 <DocScrutinizer05> rotten?
Jun 06 20:50:12 <L29Ah_> was that the version where you can run some arbitrary code using a specially crafted tarball?
Jun 06 20:51:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly, otherwise it had been patched since
Jun 06 20:52:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you however seem to look for a version that doesn't exist at all, or if it exists it can't run itself 
Jun 06 20:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05> which is the new fresh middleware for phones that is *not* android?
Jun 06 20:54:44 <L29Ah_> dunno what "middleware" is
Jun 06 20:54:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't get it what you're looking for
Jun 06 20:54:58 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe that's the problem
Jun 06 20:55:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki middleware
Jun 06 20:55:40 <infobot> At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleware (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=August 2013}} and user applications is considered middleware. Functionality such as gesture recognition or speech recognition is usually processed by some middleware, and the results are transmitted to user applications.{{Citation needed|date = May 2015}}]] 'Middleware' is computer software that provides services to software applications beyond those available ...
Jun 06 20:55:49 <L29Ah_> i don't look for anything, i'm whining about no mainstream distros being ready even for a basic phone functionality on n900
Jun 06 20:56:54 <DocScrutinizer05> guess why! since everybody is whining instead of doing something
Jun 06 20:57:42 <L29Ah_> DocScrutinizer05: btw can you /facilitate/ removing the stupid forbidden thing on maemo.org?
Jun 06 20:57:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and, understanding the concepts of embedded systems and middleware and phones at large, you'd get why no maintream distro ever will be
Jun 06 20:57:53 * L29Ah_ found out there's https://wiki.maemo.org/Devuan_on_N900 yet fuck me
Jun 06 20:58:50 <DocScrutinizer05> L29Ah_: sorry, nope, I bitched a lot about why even reading (without login and thus writing new posts) needs to be protected by those blacklists shit
Jun 06 20:59:56 <L29Ah_> ~techstaff
Jun 06 20:59:56 <infobot> well, techstaff is techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/
Jun 06 21:02:08 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, writing to techstaff (incl your IP), or pinging chem|st (or yes, or warfare?) in here is all you can do. Except of getting a better IP
Jun 06 21:02:30 <DocScrutinizer05> s/or yes/or xes/
Jun 06 21:02:30 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: yes, writing to techstaff (incl your IP), or pinging chem|st (or xes, or warfare?) in here is all you can do. Except of getting a better IP
Jun 06 21:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> but I think talk.maemo.org already told ya, no?
Jun 06 21:04:03 <L29Ah_> told what?
Jun 06 21:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a royal PITA
Jun 06 21:04:32 <L29Ah_> how do i get root on maemo.org?
Jun 06 21:04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't tmo rise a page with intructions what to do about that 'ban'?
Jun 06 21:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> L29Ah_: WUT?
Jun 06 21:05:17 * DocScrutinizer05 hands L29Ah_ a carrot
Jun 06 21:05:26 <DocScrutinizer05> here's your root
Jun 06 21:05:37 <L29Ah_> ok enjoy the royal pita
Jun 06 21:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> there's only 3 people getting root on all maemo servers afaik. Xes and warfare are the other two
Jun 06 21:07:56 <DocScrutinizer05> when you need root on a particular VM like talk.maemo.org, repo.m.o or whatever, talk to council and techstaff and explain what you want to contribute
Jun 06 21:09:17 <DocScrutinizer05> odds are you won't get root permissions nevertheless, rather a usual unix user account and a communication channel to the master sysops why will integrate your stuff, after checking it
Jun 06 21:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> s/why/who
Jun 07 02:11:28 <Wikiwide> el-v1.db is borked again. Wrong nick for some quotes. Will have to SQL Update Where again, to fix it. Somewhen in offline.
Jun 07 02:39:01 * Maxdamantus doesn't think he's had that corrupted since switching to ext4 around two years ago
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