**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 16 03:00:04 2017 Jun 16 06:52:49 so yes, 3G problem on N900 is mostly ISP, although clearly N900 modem doesn't handle the situation as well as other phones do (SGS4 for example) Jun 16 06:53:07 s/on/on my/ Jun 16 06:53:07 sicelo meant: so yes, 3G problem on my N900 is mostly ISP, although clearly N900 modem doesn't handle the situation as well as other phones do (SGS4 for example) Jun 16 06:56:16 the 3G works a bit better during the daytime than in the evening Jun 16 07:09:59 sicelo: time to pester ur service provider ;) Jun 16 07:10:33 sicelo: and im pestering my irssi provider. Perl script that used to work doesn't work anymore. Jun 16 07:10:46 i also think maybe the other phone 'cheat' - android being more chatty compared to maemo Jun 16 07:11:39 i saw someone else having same problem and he traced it to ur version being compiled against wrong perl version Jun 16 07:16:06 halftux it was. unfortunately i was busy with reflashing .. i never got a chance to read/understand the problem Jun 16 07:16:21 i'm also away from my machine Jun 16 07:16:55 but i wonder if it's wrong perl version .. we used scratcbox & autobuilder ... Jun 16 07:18:51 i wouldn't know. Only thing i do know is that script.pl that used to work with old version, does not with new :) Jun 16 07:19:26 but not a big problem since it was just "vibrate on highlight, if not away" Jun 16 07:19:52 halftux was going to look at it further ... but i could maybe also investigate over the weekend. which script is it Jun 16 07:20:38 tbh i don't use scripts at all :p Jun 16 07:20:39 i think u r better of just testing any script. This one is just ugle hack'n'slash till it works by me Jun 16 07:22:40 also i noticed a thing with telegram purple. It seems to crash if i lose connection while it tries to send message Jun 16 07:24:36 sicelo: afaik, android browser preloads pages linked from the currently loaded page Jun 16 07:25:03 I suspect for me N900 is fairly chatty, and I get those disconnections too. Jun 16 07:25:14 well, dunno if it's more frequent than most. Jun 16 07:25:30 n900 being chatty? I doubt Jun 16 07:25:36 definitely not chatty n900 - uses least data when idle Jun 16 07:25:51 I run an ssh session all day attached to tmux that shoes the current time. Jun 16 07:25:59 so it's updating at least once a minute. Jun 16 07:26:08 probably more frequently than that because of keepalives. Jun 16 07:30:37 (it's also by default always looking at the (status) window in irssi, so will see some of the window numbers changing colour occasionally) Jun 16 07:31:06 Maxdamantus: still, iphbd will keep radio wakeups at minimum Jun 16 07:32:53 So you're saying the TCP messages would be held by my ISP for long periods of time? Jun 16 07:33:24 and they're sending the TCP ACKs themselves? Jun 16 07:34:50 no, what I say is that iphbd tries to "gather" outgoing packets so to not wake-up radio for every single packet. Jun 16 07:35:18 Right, I suspect most of the activity is incoming though. Jun 16 07:36:03 the lag so terrible .. even typing in ssh session does not work ok :-( Jun 16 07:36:21 sicelo: my usual fix: ping -s8 google.com Jun 16 07:36:39 keeps radio active, lag == minimal Jun 16 07:36:42 Maxdamantus: look at https://github.com/community-ssu/iphb-dkms/blob/master/iphb.c Jun 16 07:37:08 but of course it's best to choose some first hop ip in your isp range Jun 16 07:38:47 Maxdamantus: who sends keepalives to the device and at what interval? Jun 16 07:38:51 max - by 'chatty' - i mean't traffic particularly at idle. droids connect to too many things and silencing them completely is not trivial Jun 16 07:39:22 still :-) Jun 16 07:39:23 ...if possible at all Jun 16 07:39:41 sicelo: still, worth a try ;) Jun 16 07:39:54 i've done that before. doesn't help Jun 16 07:40:18 the network is just bad (quality-wise). Jun 16 07:40:21 bad droids, bad. Jun 16 07:40:25 freemangordon: I'm not actually sure there are any keepalives going to the device, since there's always activity at least once a minute and I think keepalives are generally set to something infrequent in openssh. Jun 16 07:42:42 Maxdamantus: so, what happens, most probably, is that usually you have radio wake-up only once a minute for a second or so and all the chatter is done within that second. Jun 16 07:42:47 * Maxdamantus wonders how to show the keepalive for a current connection. Jun 16 07:42:58 tcpdump Jun 16 07:43:26 There should be a way to introspect the socket rather than monitoring a TCP dump. Jun 16 07:43:42 I know the pid and fd. Jun 16 07:44:08 no idea of any other way Jun 16 07:46:49 Maxdamantus: also, what is the problem with tcpdump? Jun 16 07:47:10 ethereal ? or whatever it's called now Jun 16 07:47:12 or nettop Jun 16 07:47:16 Vajb: i see the scripts problem. ugly Jun 16 07:47:16 wireshark :) Jun 16 07:47:51 KotCzarny: but that's UI yoiu can use to inspect pcps from tcpdum Jun 16 07:47:56 *you Jun 16 07:48:06 omg Jun 16 07:48:25 * freemangordon heads to the coffee machine Jun 16 07:50:38 * freemangordon hopes the second coffee will improve his typing skills Jun 16 07:53:03 Maxdamantus: use -o option of netstat Jun 16 07:57:08 Sicelo009N: nevertheless it used to work ;) Jun 16 07:58:33 freemangordon: thanks. Jun 16 07:58:34 keepalive (744.41/0/0) Jun 16 07:58:48 * Maxdamantus wonders if that means 744 seconds Jun 16 07:59:07 Oh, it's counting down. Jun 16 07:59:16 Yeah, so 691 seconds until teh next keepalive. Jun 16 07:59:58 Usually it will probably be higher, but I detached it from tmux when I got home. Jun 16 08:00:49 Seems to actually be 7200 seconds. Jun 16 08:01:02 2 hours Jun 16 08:02:45 Maxdamantus: that's system default Jun 16 08:04:32 Vajb: i'll dig up halftux comment Jun 16 08:06:15 freemangordon: hm, so it is. I thought it was more frequent than that. Jun 16 08:07:06 Vajb: what is your perl version? Jun 16 08:07:14 Maxdamantus: yep, not that chatty :) . Jun 16 08:08:04 :-) Jun 16 08:08:27 DocScrutinizer05: could you give me the link to mce brightness thread on TMO as it seems I lost the browser tab somehow. I need it to put it in the mce changelog Jun 16 08:25:38 DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/commit/88a69e02c61e24aa272e1f63971e03424c051b09 Jun 16 08:26:24 I will run it on my device for a while, if everything is ok, will put the fixewd package in cssu-devel Jun 16 08:36:26 Sicelo009N: actually it seems i have none installed. How it can be? Jun 16 08:36:59 i have candidate 5.8.3 available, should i install? Jun 16 08:37:27 i think i never had it and still earlier version worked Jun 16 08:37:42 maybe problem lies somewhere else? Jun 16 08:56:58 Vajb: perl-base ... should have it Jun 16 09:13:43 sicelo: 5.8.3 installed Jun 16 09:14:11 Installed: 5.8.3-3osso13+0m5 Jun 16 09:19:05 ok. same as halftux and myself .. i wonder what version is in autobuilder (and which one i have in SB .. will check mine in the evening) Jun 16 09:48:22 netstat -ta sometimes shows timers like keepalive Jun 16 09:58:52 Vajb: i've compared the earlier irssi i had compiled with this latest one. for some weird reason the new one doesn't have the perl modules which should get saved in /usr/lib/perl .. will have to look at the compile options again Jun 16 09:59:32 at least now i know exactly what's wrong. fixing is a different story :-) Jun 16 10:34:56 sicelo: could those be symlinked or moved to right places? Jun 16 10:35:01 freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388368 Jun 16 10:35:11 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-11-23.log.html#t2013-11-23T06:20:48 Jun 16 10:35:57 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2017-06-05.log.html Jun 16 10:37:51 freemangordon: can you send me the binary? Jun 16 10:49:07 dreamer: tcpdump? tshark! Jun 16 10:50:58 sorry, dreamer! freemangordon^^^ Jun 16 10:51:29 * DocScrutinizer05 also sips his coffee Jun 16 10:52:11 tshark is the CLI version / remote-frontend for wireshark Jun 16 10:52:41 wireshark also can read tcpdump pcap dumps, but remote control works best with tshark Jun 16 10:55:31 https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html Jun 16 10:58:19 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24871861 could need an urgent update :-/ Jun 16 10:58:32 ~pkg Jun 16 10:58:33 methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jun 16 10:58:50 http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ Jun 16 11:00:01 TShark 1.12.10 (Git Rev Unknown from unknown) Copyright 1998-2016 Gerald Combs is what my PC has Jun 16 11:00:44 * L29Ah failed to communicate with old tshark so he used tcpdump piped over ssh Jun 16 11:00:51 and *shark sure as hell seen quite some security fixes Jun 16 11:00:59 wireshark can consume stdin Jun 16 11:02:15 @all: whoever is looking for getting his hands dirty with easy package building and maintenance: tshark is a fine candidate Jun 16 11:07:34 L29Ah: yes, I know Jun 16 11:07:53 tshark just has more convenient syntax/filters Jun 16 11:08:30 >>Without any options set, TShark will work much like tcpdump. It will use the pcap library to capture traffic from the first available network interface and displays a summary line on stdout for each received packet.<< Jun 16 11:12:32 btw a pity I only installed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84753 saera yesterday first time ever Jun 16 11:16:25 installs just fine via HAM, imcl al dependencies Jun 16 11:16:40 afaikt Jun 16 11:16:52 s/k/c/ Jun 16 11:16:52 DocScrutinizer05 meant: afaict Jun 16 11:21:34 L29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73753&highlight=wireshark Jun 16 11:22:54 wireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 ) Jun 16 11:24:47 i mean, modern wireshark can communicate with a remote stub to avoid moving around lots of data in case only a portion is filtered out at the ui Jun 16 11:25:44 that remote stub being tshark, no? Jun 16 11:27:04 now i'm not sure Jun 16 11:28:57 ok it cannot do this, man sshdump(1) suggests it's as dumb as a pipe Jun 16 11:39:16 sshdump? https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/ Jun 16 11:48:53 weird, why is the manpage missing? https://github.com/wireshark/wireshark/blob/master/doc/sshdump.pod Jun 16 11:54:56 I fail to see the advantage of sshdump over a simple wireshark -i <(ssh host tshark), rather it looks terribly complicated Jun 16 11:55:12 yeah Jun 16 11:55:48 aiui it creates a virtual local interface mirroring a remote interface which wireshark can dump from Jun 16 11:56:42 maybe needed for wireshark on windoof? Jun 16 11:57:08 but wait, it wouldn't even work on windoze Jun 16 12:01:01 anyway any brave soul taking maintainership of http://maemo.org/packages/view/wireshark/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ would earn eternal positive karma :-) Jun 16 12:02:14 since particularly tshark is CLI only, and the package already exists, an update should be a matter of 'minutes' without much if any patching needed Jun 16 12:42:55 Darn... Went to firefox_decrypt.py on Github. It's already a different (somewhat) file. Okay, so I went and edited this different file again (three main points: with statement, Exception as e, and str.format()). Tested it on device, added fourth point (argparser and --version). Works on Python 2.5, send pull request. Tests... Fail 11 out of 16. One of 11 failed is actually --version, which requires research into argparser capabilitie Jun 16 12:42:57 s with Python 2.5 Jun 16 12:47:11 And on the way, added simplejson and argparser into python's list of requirements (no idea whether it's interacting with debian packages; does pip inform dpkg when yet another python dependency gets installed, or are the pip-installed dependencies "invisible" to dpkg and apt?) Jun 16 13:21:36 ~bme Jun 16 13:21:36 hmm... bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME Jun 16 13:36:05 ~bme-replacement Jun 16 13:36:05 i heard bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93183 Jun 16 18:58:13 sixwheeledbeast: did you try out the permissions issue for cutenews? i can reproduce it on a fresh install Jun 16 20:00:26 sicelo: I changed it but I can't recall what wasn't working Jun 16 21:53:37 Is it necessary for startup video to be 800x480, or can it be 854x480? Jun 16 21:54:46 I hacked something in the .desktop file a while ago to get it working so I need to undone that. Jun 16 21:55:34 However having removed cutenews I am now 403 on the repos, hmm Jun 16 22:00:13 While ffmpeg on N900 doesn't support writing h264 files, ssh-ing into a Linux computer works out well. Jun 16 22:03:48 I don't get it! 800x480 mp4 file, Media Player says format not supported. Jun 16 22:06:28 What should I tell ffmpeg to get Media Player - compatible video? Jun 16 22:10:41 Sicelo: I can confirm that upon installation cutenews will not open, however after changing permissions as per your post it works again. Jun 16 22:15:59 There is no widget tho can't remember when that broke Jun 16 22:25:01 -profile:v baseline -level 3.0 is the next option to try with ffmpeg Jun 16 22:25:54 Because currently it is high@3.1 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 17 03:00:01 2017