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Jul 21 17:01:03 <FalconSpys> Hey all, hoping one of you can help me. I have a Nokia N900 that I just got recently in an attempt to install Kali Linux onto it. I am having a hard time flashing the firmware to support u-boot.
Jul 21 17:01:32 <FalconSpys> My Windows PC detects the device in the update mode, but the flasher-3.5 never detects it. So kind of at a loss to try and get this updated to PR 1.3
Jul 21 17:01:54 <FalconSpys> Any tips would be appreciated. Spent the past few evenings trying
Jul 21 17:06:03 <enyc> FalconSpys: hrrm
Jul 21 17:06:17 <enyc> FalconSpys: try the "0xffff" flasher program maybe? now in latest debian?
Jul 21 17:06:45 <FalconSpys> enyc: my N900 is still on PR 1.2 I believe based on what I've learned about the device in an attempt to get Kali onto it
Jul 21 17:07:21 <enyc> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/0xffff
Jul 21 17:08:36 <FalconSpys> So i think I tried installing 0xffff via the HAM but it said my kernel-modules was mismatched
Jul 21 17:08:49 <enyc> hrrm no
Jul 21 17:09:00 <FalconSpys> Not the proper 0xffff to install?
Jul 21 17:09:01 <enyc> get desktop/laptop (not n900) linux
Jul 21 17:09:06 <enyc> get 0xffff installed on that
Jul 21 17:09:16 <enyc> then use 0xffff to backup/flash/reflash n900
Jul 21 17:14:40 <FalconSpys> Ill give it a shot. Not at home with my device currently. Was just trying to get some ideas for my 5th night of messing with this thing :P
Jul 21 17:16:57 <sixwheeledbeast^> Not something I have ever tried I assume follow Kali for RPi (ARM) installation instructions?
Jul 21 17:17:42 <FalconSpys> sixwheeledbeast^: been trying to follow this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96573
Jul 21 17:19:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> Is the device bootable? 
Jul 21 17:20:08 <FalconSpys> I can turn on my N900 if that's what you are asking
Jul 21 17:20:21 <FalconSpys> Just has the firmware for PR 1.2 and I guess I need 1.3 to get the u-boot flasher installed
Jul 21 17:21:04 <sixwheeledbeast^> So you can boot normally to Maemo? and the device charges ok?
Jul 21 17:21:41 <FalconSpys> Yep!
Jul 21 17:23:20 <sixwheeledbeast^> So you believe the USB is working you can connect "Mass Storage" for example.
Jul 21 17:23:36 <FalconSpys> yes. my PC also sees if I do PC Suite Mode and load the software on my machine
Jul 21 17:23:46 <FalconSpys> Just during update flasher mode the flasher-3.5 never sees
Jul 21 17:24:46 <Enrico_Menotti> FalconSpys I also had some problems when trying to use the flasher-3.5 on Windows.
Jul 21 17:24:56 <FalconSpys> Well I tried flasher on my Mac also
Jul 21 17:25:03 <FalconSpys> still never saw the device
Jul 21 17:25:08 <Enrico_Menotti> I have been able to install the flasher-3.5 on Mac, and that works fine.
Jul 21 17:25:23 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~ping
Jul 21 17:25:29 <FalconSpys> Mine sits at the no suitable usb device found on my Mac and Windows
Jul 21 17:25:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> seems bot is missing which is not useful
Jul 21 17:26:03 <Enrico_Menotti> It was a few months ago - I don't remember the details, but there are ways to check whether the computer sees the N900 at a low level.
Jul 21 17:26:24 <FalconSpys> Well I saw flasher has the "-i" flag to see if its connected but it never says it is
Jul 21 17:26:48 <Enrico_Menotti> Well, there are ways to check whether the N900 is connected without using the flasher.
Jul 21 17:27:05 <Enrico_Menotti> Just to see whether the computer sees the device.
Jul 21 17:27:20 <Enrico_Menotti> I don't remember the details, though.
Jul 21 17:28:16 <Enrico_Menotti> Try with the various network commands from the terminal.
Jul 21 17:29:12 <Enrico_Menotti> I mean ifconfig, lsusb, and so on. Should work on a Linux environment, but also on the Mac terminal.
Jul 21 17:29:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> If you go to Settings > About what version is shown?
Jul 21 17:39:02 <FalconSpys> I dont have the phone infront of my so can't say right now
Jul 21 17:39:16 <FalconSpys> But if you want my Mac version its Yosemite I believe
Jul 21 17:39:38 <FalconSpys> My Windows PC sees the phone and it shows under my devices
Jul 21 17:39:44 <FalconSpys> The Mac doesn't see it as far as I can tell
Jul 21 17:40:49 <sixwheeledbeast^> When you have the device and PC in front of you it would be best to go through things step by step.
Jul 21 17:41:53 <Juesto> macos uses darwin
Jul 21 17:42:30 <Juesto> possibly the usb isn't recognized due to the firmware availablity?
Jul 21 18:15:47 <FalconSpys> Well I can tyr just loading Ubuntu onto a Live CD/USB and do that. 
Jul 21 18:16:03 <FalconSpys> Just been pulling my hair out trying to get the firmware updated just so I can put u-boot onto it.
Jul 21 18:16:29 <FalconSpys> Like I've tried to use the BootMenu from Fanoush but then since I don't know any better I had a hard time adding the option into the boot menu etc
Jul 21 18:35:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> Do you have the device to hand yet?
Jul 21 18:56:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Jul 21 18:56:23 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Jul 21 19:05:34 <FalconSpys> sixwheeledbeast^:  no. I'll check back in when I do in about ~6 hours
Jul 21 19:05:44 <FalconSpys> Thank you all so far that have responded
Jul 21 19:08:26 <DocScrutinizer05> TimRiker murdered the bot :-(
Jul 21 19:08:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> murdered?
Jul 21 19:08:44 <DocScrutinizer05> or whatever ;-)
Jul 21 19:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> fact: he looked into huge lags and load:24 yesterday morning, and a 8h later the bot vanished and doesn't come up again
Jul 21 19:10:41 <DocScrutinizer05> so whatever he did, it didn't result in bot running more stable, rather the opposite
Jul 21 19:11:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't remote-restart it
Jul 21 19:12:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ssh: infobot: no process found
Jul 21 19:12:36 <DocScrutinizer05> that's new, never had that before
Jul 21 19:13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> thus - 'murdered'
Jul 21 19:19:48 <DocScrutinizer05> FalconSpys: first of all flasher only detects N900 when it's plugged in to USB in real power-off mode
Jul 21 19:21:10 <DocScrutinizer05> then your system must not compete for drivers for the USB device, in particular you don't want any vdc_ether kernel drivers kick in when connecting the N900 to USB
Jul 21 19:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> cdc_ether*
Jul 21 19:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and/or phonet
Jul 21 19:23:29 <DocScrutinizer05> if you're savvy with commandline and system tweaking on mac, you might be able to adapt the lazyflashing script for your needs. Otherwise at least read what it does and follow the instructions
Jul 21 19:24:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#The_Lazy_Approach
Jul 21 19:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/flash-it-all.sh
Jul 21 19:27:09 <DocScrutinizer05>   echo -e "fixing flasher-3.5 cdc_phonet kernel module collision problem,\ndelete /etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf after completing flashing if you need phonet based USB to N900"
Jul 21 19:27:10 <DocScrutinizer05>   echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf
Jul 21 19:27:12 <DocScrutinizer05>   modprobe -r cdc_phonet
Jul 21 19:28:09 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea how that's done for mach (mac OS)
Jul 21 19:29:05 <DocScrutinizer05> then remove battery from N900, start flasher on PC, plug in N900 to USB, only then insert battery to N900
Jul 21 19:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly for PR1.2->1.3 upgrade you shouldn't need PC flashing, should be feasible via SSU
Jul 21 19:30:46 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to fix your catalogs!
Jul 21 19:31:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
Jul 21 19:56:53 <Juesto> DocScrutinizer05: probably the same since mach is unix based
Jul 21 19:57:29 <Juesto> or almost, theres brew
Jul 21 21:23:05 <FalconSpys> DocScrutinizer05:  My HAM catalog has the maemo repo with Fremantle 1.2 as the distribution and catalog of free/non-free (still not home with the device in front of me..going by memory)
Jul 21 21:23:26 <FalconSpys> I tried the OTA update using the *#0000# but it didnt bring up device manager
Jul 21 21:23:53 <FalconSpys> I tried installing the CSSU from the wiki but when I get to the update all packages part it says I need to hook my phone up to my PC in PC Suite Mode and running the Nokia PC Suite
Jul 21 21:25:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> Ah you have your device, what version does it say Settings > About
Jul 21 21:26:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> PC suite basically means there's an issue installing packages from the repos.
Jul 21 21:31:53 <FalconSpys> sixwheeledbeast^: I dont have my device infront of me. I said this was all based on memory
Jul 21 21:32:09 <FalconSpys> Do I need to switch my repo distribution to fremantle 1.3?
Jul 21 21:32:55 <sixwheeledbeast^> ok, no. you will likely need change the repos completely
Jul 21 21:33:31 <FalconSpys> To what? I had extras, extras-dev, and extras-testing
Jul 21 21:42:04 <DocScrutinizer05> FalconSpys: you need to fix your catalogs, see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
Jul 21 21:42:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia repos are no more
Jul 21 21:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> extras* are maemo repos, not nokia base repos. And actually it's strongly deprecated to have extras-devel and extras-testing enabled
Jul 21 21:44:35 <DocScrutinizer05> they are mutually exclusive, and should only get enabled for installing a particular package that's not available (in the wanted version) in maemo-extras
Jul 21 21:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> then disable them immedaitely after you installed that one package. NEVER keep them active while doing a generic update
Jul 21 21:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> when you inspect the "catalogs" in HAM, you'll notice the Nokia and Nokia-SSU repos are tagged as defect
Jul 21 21:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why your update fails
Jul 21 21:48:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you're licky though, fixing catalogs is just two clicks in maemo browser away ;-) just go to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ and follow the instructions there, I.E. click 'recommended.install'
Jul 21 21:48:43 <DocScrutinizer05> lucky*
Jul 21 22:04:02 <FalconSpys> Ill give it a shot when home with the device. Thanks DocScrutinizer05  :) I am hoping that fixes the issue. As I said spent the past 4 or 5 nights trying to flash firmware / get Pali's U-boot installed
Jul 21 22:13:47 <sixwheeledbeast^> As I say check what version your on and whats installed first.
Jul 21 22:28:09 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I never heard about OTA update triggered by dialing *#0000#
Jul 21 22:29:01 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo is not centered around phone function, it mostly works like a normal desktop debian linux
Jul 21 22:29:33 <DocScrutinizer05> you do pretty much all updates on the device, via HAM or sometimes via apt
Jul 21 22:30:02 <DocScrutinizer05> flashing only needed to recover an unbootable device, basically
Jul 21 22:30:19 <DocScrutinizer05> or for a complete reset
Jul 21 22:31:34 <FalconSpys> DocScrutinizer05:  I remember seeing some site that said I can trigger it by dialing those keys. Probably just some BS website
Jul 21 22:53:13 <DocScrutinizer05> first check what OS version you got as sixwheeledbeast^ recommends. See "settings" -> "About...". Then fix your catalogs as suggested by me. Then go to HAM and check for updates, possibly there will be a few
Jul 21 22:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> make sure extras.testing and extras-devel are disabled before you check. Then inszall all the available updates which should get you to PR1.3 if you're not there already. Then follow the instruction on CSSU website to get a lot more of important updates
Jul 21 22:55:16 <FalconSpys> Sounds good! Ill give it a shot in about 3 hours :)
Jul 21 22:55:17 <DocScrutinizer05> then you can install Pali's uBoot
Jul 21 22:55:30 <DocScrutinizer05> also via HAM, or via apt-get
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