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Jul 22 06:53:28 <FalconSpy> so DocScrutinizer05 / sixwheeledbeast^ Version 10.2010.19-1
Jul 22 06:56:15 <FalconSpy> Followed the instructions you gave me DocScrutinizer05 with the catalog. All I see in my updates is the Community  SSU package
Jul 22 07:15:47 <Juesto> hmm
Jul 22 07:17:07 <FalconSpy> Do I need to restart the phone first or should stuff just immediately show in HAM under update?
Jul 22 07:27:51 <FalconSpy> Nope that didnt do it
Jul 22 07:36:23 <FalconSpy> http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/ would it be the nokia-ssu install one?
Jul 22 07:36:37 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jul 22 07:36:37 <infobot> hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jul 22 07:41:51 <FalconSpy> Well I have extras repo
Jul 22 07:42:04 <FalconSpy> Im trying to upgrade from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3 but nothing I am finding is working
Jul 22 07:42:24 <Juesto> Correctly set up?
Jul 22 07:43:45 <FalconSpy> What do you define as correctly setup? I followed the instructions by DocScrutinizer05 for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
Jul 22 07:43:55 <FalconSpy> disabled all catalogs but the ones it installed
Jul 22 08:05:29 <FalconSpy> Let me try the apt-get after adding catalog
Jul 22 08:05:47 <FalconSpy> 1010 updates...
Jul 22 08:22:51 <sixwheeledbeast^> FalconSpy you still about
Jul 22 08:22:59 <FalconSpy> yep
Jul 22 08:23:13 <sixwheeledbeast^> how are you doing
Jul 22 08:23:21 <FalconSpy> well I followed the link DocScrutinizer05 put in
Jul 22 08:23:30 <FalconSpy> Nothing was showing via HAM for downloads/updates
Jul 22 08:23:44 <FalconSpy> Did a apt-get update and upgrade and its doing about 1000 upgrades
Jul 22 08:24:55 <sixwheeledbeast^> First thing with Maemo is never update with the CLI, unless you know what your doing. It was never designed for that
Jul 22 08:25:20 <FalconSpy> So apt-get update / upgrade is wrong to do?
Jul 22 08:25:26 <FalconSpy> Nothing was showing in HAM at all
Jul 22 08:26:11 <sixwheeledbeast^> HAM need refreshing and with stock HAM it can take 24 hours to display automagically
Jul 22 08:26:27 <FalconSpy> I refreshed, checked the logs 
Jul 22 08:26:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> Or you refresh manually and it takes upto 30 minutes or so.
Jul 22 08:26:48 <FalconSpy> Well I refreshed manually...nothing showd
Jul 22 08:26:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~HAM
Jul 22 08:26:52 <infobot> methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Jul 22 08:27:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> yay infobots back
Jul 22 08:27:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~wb
Jul 22 08:27:10 <infobot> thx
Jul 22 08:27:24 <FalconSpy> I hit refresh about 10 times...
Jul 22 08:27:27 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~botsnack
Jul 22 08:27:27 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast^: :)
Jul 22 08:28:47 <FalconSpy> well I cancelled the apt-get upgrade..
Jul 22 08:28:55 <sixwheeledbeast^> FalconSpy: Was the device clear from old software.
Jul 22 08:29:10 <FalconSpy> I would imagine so? It was a stock device that I bought from Amazon
Jul 22 08:29:12 <sixwheeledbeast^> Or did it have a load of stuff on from the previous user
Jul 22 08:29:34 <FalconSpy> well ebay
Jul 22 08:29:37 <FalconSpy> Looks like it was wiped
Jul 22 08:29:40 <FalconSpy> before i got it
Jul 22 08:31:02 <sixwheeledbeast^> Right, personally my next step would be trying to get your flasher working and flash PR1.3.x on to it
Jul 22 08:31:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> What desktops do you have available?
Jul 22 08:32:37 <FalconSpy> Windows 10, Win 8.1, Mac OSX Yosemite
Jul 22 08:35:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> Ok well I have used Win7/6 and Ubuntu. Do you have the flasher installed on all of them?
Jul 22 08:36:55 <FalconSpy> on Windows 10 and Mac yes
Jul 22 08:37:14 <FalconSpy> Flasher would just sit at awaiting suitable usb device even though the Windows 10 sees it in update mode
Jul 22 08:37:25 <FalconSpy> even after running flasher then plugging it in
Jul 22 08:37:31 <FalconSpy> Mac doesnt see it at all as far as I know
Jul 22 08:39:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> Lets try Win10 then. Power down your device. Use stock Nokia USB lead in a rear USB port
Jul 22 08:39:48 <sixwheeledbeast^> Best to use a port with no hubs inbetween or the like.
Jul 22 08:40:25 <sixwheeledbeast^> Do you have PR1.3 FW ready and the Emmc image ready?
Jul 22 08:40:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~pr1.3.1
Jul 22 08:40:37 <infobot> [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/
Jul 22 08:40:39 <FalconSpy> I dont think I have either of those. Or at least not the correct ones
Jul 22 08:41:57 <FalconSpy> downloading it now
Jul 22 08:42:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> the last link has root image
Jul 22 08:43:34 <sixwheeledbeast^> the community is not permitted to redistribute the image when Nokia disappeared. The ones found in the community are personal copies, normally with checksums
Jul 22 08:44:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~flasher
Jul 22 08:44:00 <infobot> refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 22 08:46:46 <FalconSpy> alright got both
Jul 22 08:47:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> So you have flasher 3.5 installed to Win10, and both images to flash
Jul 22 08:49:12 <FalconSpy> Only saw 1 .bin file?
Jul 22 08:49:53 <FalconSpy> only link that worked was http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ with 1 .bin
Jul 22 08:50:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> Yer that's just the rootfs image. 
Jul 22 08:51:44 <FalconSpy> idk what other image you are referring to then
Jul 22 08:51:54 <sixwheeledbeast^> Lets start with that to establish the flasher is working
Jul 22 08:52:16 <FalconSpy> sure
Jul 22 08:52:57 <sixwheeledbeast^> We need to follow the flashing instructions from here on the page http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900_2
Jul 22 08:55:51 <FalconSpy> alright
Jul 22 08:56:26 <sixwheeledbeast^> Have you used that guide before?
Jul 22 08:58:01 <FalconSpy> ive attempted to follow the guide before
Jul 22 08:58:39 <FalconSpy> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Jul 22 08:58:51 <FalconSpy> Usual message I see
Jul 22 08:59:34 <FalconSpy> Held U plugged device in
Jul 22 08:59:37 <FalconSpy> shows usb icon top right
Jul 22 08:59:41 <FalconSpy> Still shows that message
Jul 22 09:00:23 <sixwheeledbeast^> ok, I assume 64 bit have you tried any of the 64 bit workarounds?
Jul 22 09:01:35 <FalconSpy> im not aware of any 64 bit work arounds
Jul 22 09:02:51 <sixwheeledbeast^> From Win7 onwards the drivers would not run as they where unsigned. Scroll further down the wiki page to troubleshooting and workarounds for 64 bit
Jul 22 09:06:02 <FalconSpy> alright ill give option 1 a go
Jul 22 09:06:04 <FalconSpy> be back
Jul 22 09:16:29 <FalconSpy> alright disabled my unsigned drivers
Jul 22 09:19:03 <FalconSpy> still sits at Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
Jul 22 09:25:06 <FalconSpy> There we go...followed Option 5
Jul 22 09:25:57 <FalconSpy> Finishing flashing... done
Jul 22 09:25:57 <FalconSpy> CMT flashed successfully
Jul 22 09:26:10 <FalconSpy> What next sixwheeledbeast^? Also thank you for all your help you've given thus far
Jul 22 09:26:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> oh cool it flashed
Jul 22 09:27:57 <sixwheeledbeast^> I was going to say the backup option would be an Ubuntu VM or LiveCD
Jul 22 09:28:04 <sixwheeledbeast^> Option 4
Jul 22 09:28:14 <FalconSpy> So it says version 21.2011.38-1 now
Jul 22 09:28:30 <sixwheeledbeast^> welcome to PR1.3.1
Jul 22 09:28:44 <sixwheeledbeast^> No we fix your repos
Jul 22 09:28:53 <sixwheeledbeast^> s/No/Now/
Jul 22 09:28:53 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast^ meant: Now we fix your repos
Jul 22 09:29:28 <FalconSpy> So use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ ?
Jul 22 09:30:49 <sixwheeledbeast^> I have never used it but seems the simplest way yeh. Use recommended, navigate there with MicroB on the device
Jul 22 09:38:43 <FalconSpy> well got everything I needed but stillc ant get u-boot installed
Jul 22 09:38:56 <FalconSpy> breaks the 3rd party package policy
Jul 22 09:42:30 <sixwheeledbeast^> Right before you do anything else maybe worth thinking about using backupmenu to backup your fresh device. Unless your happy reflashing if you mess up
Jul 22 09:42:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~bm
Jul 22 09:42:38 <infobot> well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Jul 22 09:43:02 <FalconSpy> fine with reflashing now that I can 
Jul 22 09:45:02 <sixwheeledbeast^> Next it CSSU which is the community updates/bugfixes since pr1.3.1 
Jul 22 09:45:23 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~cssu
Jul 22 09:45:23 <infobot> rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Jul 22 09:46:17 <FalconSpy> ok
Jul 22 09:46:45 <sixwheeledbeast^> Open that page with MicroB click on Stable
Jul 22 09:48:50 <FalconSpy> ok got that installed
Jul 22 09:49:12 <sixwheeledbeast^> Did it reboot?
Jul 22 09:50:49 <FalconSpy> no but I do have a ton of updates now
Jul 22 09:51:47 <sixwheeledbeast^> run them in HAM and allow it to do it's thing, reboot etc. you may have to run again
Jul 22 09:52:26 <sixwheeledbeast^> remember HAM is slow...
Jul 22 09:53:02 <FalconSpy> ok
Jul 22 09:57:38 <FalconSpy> Keep getting unable to update X conflicting app package...continue installing
Jul 22 09:58:10 <FalconSpy> looks like just all libqt stuff
Jul 22 09:59:29 <FalconSpy> i dont think it loaded the updates from CSSU
Jul 22 10:01:22 <FalconSpy> oh...ddint run the enabler
Jul 22 10:01:23 <FalconSpy> awkward
Jul 22 10:04:14 <sixwheeledbeast^> FalconSpy: that maybe why yes
Jul 22 10:16:43 <FalconSpy> Awesome. Thank you for your help sixwheeledbeast^ :)
Jul 22 10:17:01 <sixwheeledbeast^> FalconSpy: np are you all sorted now?
Jul 22 10:17:05 <FalconSpy> Yep!
Jul 22 10:17:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> uboot etc?
Jul 22 10:17:27 <FalconSpy> Is there a central repo for all of this stuff? Over the course of you helping me I must have seen so many repo links etc
Jul 22 10:17:31 <FalconSpy> Yea uboot is installed
Jul 22 10:18:44 <sixwheeledbeast^> Not really as I say when the offical repos where removed it was taken into the community to use "Private Work Directories" due to issues in redistribution
Jul 22 10:19:20 <FalconSpy> gotcha
Jul 22 10:19:52 <FalconSpy> Id be interested in trying to set something up...seeing as how difficult this was for a complete beginner with the n900 etc
Jul 22 10:20:25 <sixwheeledbeast^> Long term users backed everything up themselves. The sources move (hence all the broken links)
Jul 22 10:21:02 <FalconSpy> gotcha
Jul 22 10:21:25 <FalconSpy> As I said id be interested in setting something else up as a mirror
Jul 22 10:21:34 <FalconSpy> Just need to know what to do on my end to assist
Jul 22 10:24:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> This is how they are currently distributed personal copies, not ideal but the best option at the moment. 
Jul 22 10:24:27 <FalconSpy> ok
Jul 22 10:24:40 <FalconSpy> well its 3am ill look into it in the morning. Thanks for your help!
Jul 22 10:25:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> I think you would have been fine if you used Linux to flash there is more support and less workarounds.
Jul 22 10:25:13 <sixwheeledbeast^> np gn o/
Jul 22 10:57:56 <Wikiwide> The only apk so far which worked in apkenv on N9 Harmattan is Petals Redux, and not ideally either.  Granted, I tried only 4 apks altogether : StaySafe UNSW, MICOMM v3, and KPhotoAlbum.
Jul 22 11:03:12 <Wikiwide> KPhotoAlbum gives lots of errors "Unimplemented pthread_*"
Jul 22 17:08:06 <Vajb> hehe saw 8bitdo brand bluetooth game pad and immediately thought if it might work with n900 and zsnes...
Jul 22 18:00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<FalconSpy> I hit refresh about 10 times...)) I', *sure* that helped a lot to speed up things ;-P
Jul 22 18:08:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ((Long term users backed everything up themselves)) see maemo.cloud-7.de and muarf. You don't need more
Jul 22 18:08:15 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe useful:
Jul 22 18:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Jul 22 18:08:19 <infobot> i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jul 22 18:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<sixwheeledbeast^> I think you would have been fine if you used Linux)) see:
Jul 22 18:09:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lazyflashing
Jul 22 18:09:33 <infobot> lazyflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Jul 22 18:10:50 <sixwheeledbeast^> Good to know it's possible on Win10 for future reference tho.
Jul 22 18:13:23 <sixwheeledbeast^> That firmware page is just a mess, but the issue is legacy bookmarks etc
Jul 22 20:12:47 <FalconSpy> sixwheeledbeast^ the Option 5 as I said did the trick for me
Jul 22 20:13:00 <FalconSpy> Or maybe it was combination of Option 1 and 5 since I did both
Jul 22 20:14:44 <sixwheeledbeast^> Most likely both. Allowing unsigned drivers and 64-bit workaround with libusb-win32.
Jul 22 21:23:16 <Maxdamantus> Vajb: fwiw, I've played PS1 games on N900 using a PS3 controller over Bluetooth.
Jul 22 21:24:43 <Maxdamantus> Can even plug it into the TV too.
Jul 22 21:24:52 <Maxdamantus> Too bad it doesn't perform as well as an actual PS1/PS2.
Jul 22 22:03:54 <Juesto> cool
Jul 22 22:04:16 <Juesto> definitely not the best hardware trough
Jul 22 22:29:51 <Maxdamantus> Well, I imagine the hardware *should* be sufficient. My guess is that the software is not the best.
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