**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 01 03:00:00 2017
Aug 01 06:33:06 <FalconSpy> is wireless-tools under extras-dev?
Aug 01 07:08:21 <FalconSpy> ignore me, found the deb on the site :)
Aug 01 18:15:20 <NotKit> any quick way to fit microSIM into N900 slot?
Aug 01 18:16:02 <KotCzarny> buy normal sim with cuttable holes, throw away the microsim, put your microsim with the 'adapter' into n900, ????, profit!
Aug 01 18:17:38 <NotKit> what if simply try to put microSIM on contacts (the slot seems to be made differently compared to other phones)
Aug 01 18:18:33 <KotCzarny> hard to make it stable in that way, but sure, it could work (difference is only the plastic size)
Aug 01 18:18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> get an adapter, they are cheap - actually they come with every new SIM in full format smartcard with breakouts
Aug 01 18:19:52 <DocScrutinizer05> http://gizmodo.com/5539485/how-to-make-a-diy-micro-sim-to-sim-adapter
Aug 01 18:21:43 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.amazon.de/Hama-00106687-microSIM-Adapter-schwarz/dp/B004HDV9SS
Aug 01 18:23:54 <NotKit> well, sure about adapter, it's just I couldn't find any in hand, even though I should have some from old-new SIMs
Aug 01 18:24:10 <DocScrutinizer05> watch out! many slot-in SIM holders (like the one found in N950) will break when used with a SIM adapter due to the contact springs latching into the slot between microSIM and adapter. Using force to pull the adapter+SIM out will destroy your device then
Aug 01 18:25:36 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 is immune to that. You might even get away with fixing the microSIM in place in the holder tray with some doublesided sticky tape - use thin sticky, the tectile thick tapes will cause trouble
Aug 01 18:26:18 <NotKit> > watch out! - learned this the hard way (but with opposite thing) 
Aug 01 18:26:57 <NotKit> tried to insert poorly cut SIM (which worked fine with OnePlus 2) into Moto Z Play and broke one of two SIM slots
Aug 01 18:27:16 <NotKit> it had iPhone-like holder tray requiring opening tool
Aug 01 18:28:46 <NotKit> (well, also like N9, not sure who did it first)
Aug 01 19:27:45 <abc> Hi, I have a problem installing power kernel. Going through wiki - it installs kernel-power-settings/kernel-power-flasher but after reboot I still have 2.6.28-omap1
Aug 01 19:47:27 <sixwheeledbeast^> It's simply install the kp flasher package with HAM and follow the instructions/disclaimer I recall
Aug 01 19:59:37 <abc> the problem is using HAM or FAPMAN doesn't change anything, device starts with -omap1
Aug 01 20:03:36 <KotCzarny> don't use fapman
Aug 01 20:03:56 <abc> dpkg --list | grep linux-image says nothing (empty), dpkg --list | grep linux gives me 3.0.2-1maemo3, 2.6.28-2010031030m5-cssu1
Aug 01 20:05:18 <abc> I've installed it using both, nothing changed
Aug 01 20:06:19 <abc> anyway installing -settings doesn't bring -flasher to be installed
Aug 01 20:57:54 <abc> why maemo is so shiity? Now messaging is buggy, I can't start writing to person because window is empty (as row with this person), confirmation doesn't work
Aug 01 21:15:04 <abc> ok, after a couple of reboots, some rtcom-messaging-ui killing, removing the conversation and receiving a countless number of already received smss I got a conclusion - don't touch this
Aug 01 21:17:08 <abc> so EOT, this system is not for regular usage, it's for someone with more than a life to waste and it's proven this to me one more time
Aug 01 22:06:24 <sixwheeledbeast^> Maemo was never designed to be used to install packages like a normal debian system. 
Aug 01 22:07:32 <sixwheeledbeast^> HAM is the only way packages should be installed without risking dependency mayhem
Aug 01 22:11:02 <sixwheeledbeast^> Sounds like something is a mess on the device. You shouldn't get issues with Maemo as stock
Aug 01 22:13:28 <merlien> Good evening
Aug 01 22:15:39 <merlien> My standart n900 maemo browser seems to work but any link i use opens with could not load ..
Aug 01 22:16:18 <merlien> The programm manager works also ..but
Aug 01 22:17:16 <abc> maemo was released too early, the users were testers, as it is today
Aug 01 22:17:37 <merlien> :) maybe ...
Aug 01 22:18:32 <merlien> But i liked it from the first time i started my first n900 ..
Aug 01 22:19:10 <abc> it's nice when it works as it should
Aug 01 22:19:12 <merlien> Now i have 5 ofthem ..but just 2 working 
Aug 01 22:20:15 <merlien> .. i have never seen a behaver like this on any n900
Aug 01 22:20:49 <abc> I think the first installation of kp was via fapman, maybe that's the problem
Aug 01 22:21:02 <merlien> ..the first window of the browser works .. But evry link i press or that opens in a new tab cannot load 
Aug 01 22:21:26 <merlien> Power kernel ?
Aug 01 22:21:31 <abc> linux says "i won't work today" :)
Aug 01 22:21:32 <abc> yep
Aug 01 22:21:47 <merlien> On this one i have just cssu
Aug 01 22:22:40 <merlien> The browser cannot handle web 2.0 most of the time ..but no web at all is tt much :)
Aug 01 22:22:46 <abc> me too but during vacation I would like to transfer some photos from SD card to n900 to free some space and make more photos
Aug 01 22:23:32 <merlien> .. no problem 
Aug 01 22:23:41 <abc> I thought that I have kp, but even it was installed it didn't work
Aug 01 22:24:10 <abc> so I have overclocked standard kernel :)
Aug 01 22:24:23 <merlien> You just wanted to copy files from sd to internal on the n900 and it didnt work ?
Aug 01 22:24:32 <abc> yep
Aug 01 22:24:51 <abc> h-e-n says "you need kp v44 you poor!"
Aug 01 22:24:59 <merlien> You dont need power kernel or anything to do that normaly :)
Aug 01 22:25:11 <abc> doesn't work -,-
Aug 01 22:25:41 <abc> to be precise - not microSD but SD
Aug 01 22:26:43 <abc> sandisk ultra II plus (sd card with usb)
Aug 01 22:27:32 <merlien> Okk
Aug 01 22:27:44 <merlien> Hen and so on
Aug 01 22:28:04 <abc> it won't even light up :/
Aug 01 22:31:07 <merlien> Thats sad
Aug 01 22:31:21 <merlien> Hmm
Aug 01 22:31:45 <merlien> I am NOT a maemo\n900 pro ..but ihave them for along time now
Aug 01 22:33:38 <abc> well, it's development stopped, there are bugs and it won't be better
Aug 01 22:34:51 <merlien> The new motherboard for the n900 is comming soon .. :)
Aug 01 22:35:19 <merlien> ... Communty
Aug 01 22:35:32 <abc> neo900?
Aug 01 22:35:38 <merlien> Jesss
Aug 01 22:35:54 <abc> "never ending story, nana na nana na..."
Aug 01 22:36:03 <merlien> :D
Aug 01 22:36:19 <merlien> Coolcoolcool
Aug 01 22:36:34 <merlien> Ithink you are so right
Aug 01 22:36:56 <merlien> But thats a nice neverending story
Aug 01 22:37:39 <abc> it was old enough some time after they managed to start, now it's slightly better than n900 but not a rocket
Aug 01 22:37:49 <merlien> Jes
Aug 01 22:38:16 <merlien> ..BUT a rocket and more for a n900 case
Aug 01 22:38:37 <abc> with maemo onboard which should be still improved in many places it's not worth that money
Aug 01 22:39:06 <merlien> Imagine maemo running with this new ?fully? compatible cpu and things :p
Aug 01 22:39:17 <merlien> Hmmmm
Aug 01 22:39:44 <abc> I would not like to kill your dreams...
Aug 01 22:40:21 <abc> linux and compatibility is something for me which won't meet in short time
Aug 01 22:40:40 <merlien> :) .. I do not have the nerly 400 euros for a board anyway
Aug 01 22:40:51 <merlien> Nearly
Aug 01 22:42:17 <abc> for 400 euro I can go for a week of vacation by car and drive 2000 km in this time :)
Aug 01 22:43:47 <merlien> Jeah linux ..but the n900 is somehow so awesome with its possibliyts in many ways .. so open and clean .. :) :P i would like the new board so much ..and i am not a real linux nerd ..but computer nerd in any other way ..i do gameboymusik and shit like that party related  
Aug 01 22:44:01 <merlien> :) .. Jea the money
Aug 01 22:44:47 <merlien> .. As a real computer junky :p nothing is to costly if its soocoool 
Aug 01 22:45:08 <merlien> ... But it has to be worth it ..of course
Aug 01 22:45:42 <merlien> ... :(
Aug 01 22:45:51 <merlien> Oh man .. Your kp h-e-n problem ..idontknow
Aug 01 22:46:16 <merlien> It worked for me the first imes i tryd it
Aug 01 22:46:58 <merlien> ..years ago ..with sticks cards .. Up to a 2tb hdd ..2terrabyte powered hd
Aug 01 22:47:02 <abc> um I like computers also, tried development to maemo, but so many problems met during IDE installation, so many dependencies not met... I have QtCreator but I can't develop, I've spent so much time searching and solving that it should be working but it's not
Aug 01 22:47:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<abc> so EOT, this system is not for regular usage)) ai contraire. This system is working great fro regular usage, what fails is doing special stuff like installing a new kernel and not following the mandatory methods of doing this (here: use HAM and nothing else)
Aug 01 22:48:01 <merlien> .. At thattime I dreamed of usb otg while chargeing ... And its still a dilemma wih some devices :p 
Aug 01 22:48:47 <merlien> Now i got a gpdwin and its verynice and somehow odd at the sametime 
Aug 01 22:48:59 <merlien> ..but evrything goes
Aug 01 22:49:18 <merlien> :)
Aug 01 22:51:10 <merlien> :)
Aug 01 22:51:21 <merlien> I love you all
Aug 01 22:51:25 <abc> <DocScrutinizer05> there is nothing about going with it through Ham, just text about Application manager
Aug 01 22:51:41 <merlien> Hey doc 
Aug 01 22:52:05 <merlien> Please what could i do with a not working maemo browser
Aug 01 22:52:13 <merlien> Links dont work
Aug 01 22:52:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder why it doesn't work
Aug 01 22:52:28 <merlien> Like no internet connection
Aug 01 22:52:48 <merlien> ..idont remember a problem like that atall
Aug 01 22:53:14 <merlien> The first window works but no link and no new window
Aug 01 22:53:31 <DocScrutinizer05> does it take forever to load? or does it say "404 not found" or what is happening?
Aug 01 22:53:44 <merlien> 404@not found
Aug 01 22:54:04 <DocScrutinizer05> that's very odd and most likely not related to browser at all
Aug 01 22:54:52 <merlien> No it says no certificate or sometthin
Aug 01 22:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggest to try a `host $URL` and a `wget $URL -O /dev/null` on xterm, maybe with root permissions
Aug 01 22:55:36 <merlien> Is that possible that for evry single page there has to be a certigicate ?
Aug 01 22:55:39 <DocScrutinizer05> "no certificate" is yet a totally different topic
Aug 01 22:56:07 <merlien> Sory
Aug 01 22:56:13 <merlien> Sooory
Aug 01 22:56:57 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, for all https:// URLS there must be a cert on server, and the root cert in the server side certification chain - aka root CA - needs to be ione that's known by your device
Aug 01 22:56:57 <merlien> It says save connection failed ! ...With EVRY page i try to open
Aug 01 22:57:35 <merlien> Okk what should i do now please
Aug 01 22:57:46 <merlien> ..im confused abit :)
Aug 01 22:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I fail to understand what exactly is the error you see
Aug 01 22:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggest to provide a screenshot
Aug 01 22:59:54 <merlien> Doc : i press on a link on a google page or type a adress in maemo browser, and it says sichere verbindung fehlgeschlagen (save connection not possible)
Aug 01 23:00:04 <merlien> (Failed)
Aug 01 23:00:06 <merlien> :)
Aug 01 23:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ok that's a decent error message now
Aug 01 23:00:40 <merlien> :) sory
Aug 01 23:00:46 <merlien> :)
Aug 01 23:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like your cert store on device is messed up. I jave no clue about that stuff, but iirc freemangordon does
Aug 01 23:01:39 <merlien> :) sounds good man thankyou
Aug 01 23:01:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you said you're running CSSU?
Aug 01 23:02:01 <merlien> Jes
Aug 01 23:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there been a few patches for the cert store
Aug 01 23:02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe one of them went haywire for you?
Aug 01 23:03:03 <merlien> ..ihad the problem bevore cssu and now i stil got it 
Aug 01 23:03:50 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Aug 01 23:04:12 <merlien> .installed cssu a houer ago :) .. This n900 base is new ...and it has a lock code i dont know also :( ...heeeeelp :)
Aug 01 23:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> try re-installing maemo-security-certman maybe?
Aug 01 23:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> what? you have an unknown lock code? fix it as long as you still have access to the device
Aug 01 23:05:49 <merlien> :) is that sonmething installable from the programm manager ?
Aug 01 23:05:59 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly only apt
Aug 01 23:06:15 <DocScrutinizer05> better wait for freemangordon
Aug 01 23:06:32 <merlien> Prolly?
Aug 01 23:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> probably
Aug 01 23:07:21 <merlien> :) you know what time from now he could be here to ask ?
Aug 01 23:08:02 <merlien> ..and the n900 seams fine without it sofar  
Aug 01 23:08:17 <merlien> .. But i cannot clean or like that
Aug 01 23:08:24 <merlien> :(
Aug 01 23:08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> tomorrow morning or afternoon/evening CET
Aug 01 23:09:00 <merlien> I asked over lokal ebay from a friend ..and the replyd they cangtfind it /haveit 
Aug 01 23:09:04 <merlien> :)
Aug 01 23:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lockcode
Aug 01 23:09:56 <infobot> rumour has it, lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Aug 01 23:10:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~defailtlockcode
Aug 01 23:10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~defaultlockcode
Aug 01 23:10:12 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, defaultlockcode is 12345
Aug 01 23:13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a more brite force and way more expert method to reset lockcode to default, but that needs tools to access CAL which are not easily available/installable
Aug 01 23:15:13 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Aug 01 23:52:56 <merlien> Sory :) the default lock code worked ..
Aug 01 23:53:19 <merlien> I am free now
Aug 01 23:56:55 <merlien> But i am not allowed to use an internetbrowser
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