**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 26 03:00:02 2017 Aug 26 03:34:52 maxdamantus: mmmm. nice. that's very near to what i have know, making phone calls from cli and also sending sms messages from cli. But I need to hear what the person in the other side of the phone is saying :) Aug 26 03:35:52 brolin_empey: I used bitlbee until 4 year ago and It was working nicely. Then I moved to jabber (just for not having another process running) Aug 26 03:39:03 sunshavi: ACK, am busy. Aug 26 05:11:03 brolin_empey: i saw that there was bitlbee version as well, but i doubt it wont work on n900. Aug 26 06:02:32 Vajb: s/wont/will/ ? Aug 26 06:15:14 no idea to be honest Aug 26 06:15:30 just first thought... Aug 26 06:24:56 Vajb: Doubting that it will not work means that you expect it to work. Read your message more carefully. Aug 26 06:27:22 i stand corrected and to be honest, i had first written will, but corrected it to wont. Aug 26 07:07:23 Vajb: brolin_empey is right :-) Aug 26 08:36:29 sicelo: im not native writer. My excuse ;) Aug 26 09:28:01 hi Aug 26 09:30:35 freemangordon: can you summarise what things I can do for the .deb packages while the build infra is being worked on. I wanted the build infra in place because I figured that would provide a more organised grounds than just fetching and locally building+packaging the maemo pkgs Aug 26 09:30:56 but I'm also happy to work on that latter part, it's just hard(er) for me to keep track of what to do, and what has been done, by who, etc Aug 26 09:41:08 fremangordon, is it true you have been working on RE-ing hildon-plugins-notify-sv? If so, great :) Aug 26 09:41:22 I also see what looks like bits of a libplayback clone out there, also great :) Aug 26 10:12:23 Wizzup, any luck with Droid 4, btw? Aug 26 10:12:53 if you're asking about mainline, didn't have time for it yet. managed to flash the bootloader and everything on it though Aug 26 10:15:49 I couldn't get the display, it seems to require patches which don't clearly apply to 4.12 Aug 26 10:17:20 yes, I know hdmi works, but not sure about internal display Aug 26 16:05:33 hi all Aug 26 16:05:50 so I was trying to set up my n900 (running CSSU) as a bluetooth speaker Aug 26 16:05:58 and might have borked my pulseaudio settings Aug 26 16:06:15 of course I'm an idiot and did not back them up before meddling with them Aug 26 16:06:27 trying to reinstall pulseaudio to get the default settings, but... Aug 26 16:06:36 Reinstallation of pulseaudio is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Aug 26 16:07:00 I am sure this package is available *somewhere* Aug 26 16:07:05 anybod any hints where? Aug 26 16:29:50 rysiek|pl: hrrm not sure ;p outdated repository maybe? Aug 26 16:29:57 perhaps Aug 26 16:30:03 well, solved it in a different way now Aug 26 16:30:05 rysiek|pl: you might do well just ot get another user to read/copy their settings file Aug 26 16:30:10 yeah Aug 26 16:30:23 found an old settings.pa.dpgk-old file somewhere Aug 26 16:30:27 seems to work Aug 26 16:30:46 now istall robbiethe1st backup and do backup ofd everything to sd-card... Aug 26 16:30:57 haha good idea Aug 26 17:48:50 hey! a question to N900 gurus: I'm afraid I bricked my phone, is it possible to dump the flash contents? Aug 26 18:33:11 define bricked? Aug 26 18:34:27 rhn_mk1: yeah with rescueOS Aug 26 18:34:58 bricked - doesn't react to power button or plugged cable Aug 26 18:36:07 if it doesn't get fixed by some drying, did anyone try to connect directly to the flash chip? Aug 26 18:37:14 drying? you mean it was bricked by moisture? Aug 26 18:38:07 sicelo: I tried washing it - when I powered it on after drying, the screen went weird after booting Aug 26 18:39:05 it did work for a few minutes at least Aug 26 19:07:00 rhn_mk1: hrrm may be difficult ;p Aug 26 19:07:07 rhn_mk1: also, using an external battery charger can be helpful Aug 26 19:07:23 rhn_mk1: even on working n900 it CAN do silly things with flat battery states hard to get out of Aug 26 19:07:24 enyc: as opposed to PC USB or battery? Aug 26 19:07:46 the battery is good :/ I have a replacement n900 ready Aug 26 19:07:59 * rhn_mk1 prays it works tomorrow so that I can copy the data out Aug 26 19:08:49 rhn_mk1: dont panic =) Aug 26 19:09:40 enyc: butbut... how can I survive without my calendar :P Aug 26 20:05:06 rhn_mk1: drying device needs dissemblance and TWO weeks on 60°C warm heating or other heat source. Or alternatively no dissemblance and 3 months of drying, ideally in an environment with <10% relative humidity (air). BEWARE! operating any device (inserting battery is already "operating it") _before_ it been _completely_ dried will most likely ruin the device physically within 5 to 30 minutes from electrolytic corrosion Aug 26 20:06:02 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the info, it will come in handy next time... Aug 26 20:06:04 and totally absolutely completely forget about RICE Aug 26 20:06:25 it does NUTTIN to dry your device Aug 26 20:07:02 any better if distilled water is used? Aug 26 20:08:17 ideally you disassemble and rinse with 98% ethanol or isopropanol. These alcohols are hygroscopic and non-conducting, thus neutralizing any water hiding under chips and wherenot Aug 26 20:09:03 DocScrutinizer05: where is it possible to get those in Germany? Aug 26 20:09:09 but the REALLY IMPORTANT thing is: TAKE OUT BATTERY and don't insert it again before device is absoltely dry Aug 26 20:09:16 hm? Aug 26 20:09:25 98% isopropanol or ethanol Aug 26 20:09:31 alcohol? use Spiritus Aug 26 20:09:39 I washed with 70% solution Aug 26 20:09:47 or better: your Apotheke Aug 26 20:10:01 yeah, they gave me 70% Aug 26 20:10:09 70% already ahs 30% water: bad! Aug 26 20:10:42 Spiritus get some additions to make it poisonous, isn't that also bad? Aug 26 20:11:01 well, should be a very minor problem Aug 26 20:11:39 DocScrutinizer05: do you think it's worth to try spiritus to displace any remaining water? Aug 26 20:11:53 those Denaturierung substances are very toxic or bitter and only <1% of Spiritus Aug 26 20:12:04 yes, absolutely Aug 26 20:12:17 I saw concerns of spiritus leaving residue Aug 26 20:12:50 for sure it's preferable to use clean 99% Ethanol from pharmacy Aug 26 20:13:10 or 98% or whatever they offer Aug 26 20:13:25 DocScrutinizer05: thanks, that gives me something to start round 3 Aug 26 20:13:32 :-) YW Aug 26 20:13:47 I love helping to rescue hardware :-) Aug 26 20:15:56 another more industrial method: use aqua_dest to rinse thoroughly, then vacuum dry for an hour or so Aug 26 20:16:11 real vaccum, not a vacuum cleaner Aug 26 20:16:53 slightly elevanted temperature will help a lot Aug 26 20:17:53 as for your original question: probably almost impossible to unsolder the eMMC chip without risking to lose the bits inside Aug 26 20:18:00 DocScrutinizer05: I'm afraid I don't have that kind of equipment :) Aug 26 20:18:11 *some* bits or *all* bits? Aug 26 20:18:15 sure, didn't assume you had :-D Aug 26 20:18:20 some Aug 26 20:18:38 good enough, I don't need perfect copy of my calendar Aug 26 20:18:39 it's risky anyway and outcome unclear Aug 26 20:19:01 true, I hoped it would be easier Aug 26 20:19:04 anyway, how long to dry after rinsing in alcohol? Aug 26 20:19:36 if you really want to do this, use preheating to 180°C then a hot air gn with 260°C to do the actual unsoldering Aug 26 20:20:00 one day should suffice, when placed at warm location Aug 26 20:20:29 alcohol is also way less critical even when remnants stay around under chips etc Aug 26 20:21:13 it won't instantly turn your copper traces into copper-oxide when voltage applied Aug 26 20:21:52 thanks Aug 26 20:22:00 when heating device, you may want to remove all plastic parts beforehand Aug 26 20:22:13 heating >120° that is Aug 26 20:22:24 I'll probably be back on IRC if I decide to go this route Aug 26 20:22:26 >80° is already critical for the plastic Aug 26 20:23:13 please watch out for main camera, it's not made to cope with any liquids Aug 26 20:23:24 taken out out of abundance of caution Aug 26 20:23:47 I can't believe I got on this boat without backing up Aug 26 20:24:26 hah, that's probably the sentence you only bet on *when* it gets spoken, not if Aug 26 20:25:19 * DocScrutinizer05 needs to check his automatic backup stuff again - didn't for maybe half a year now Aug 26 20:25:33 it's funnier if you know that I considered backups just before taking out the first screw Aug 26 20:32:31 the correct forensic way to recover content from eMMC while accepting device destruction would be to unsolder the SoC and contact the memory bus on the SoC pads (as long as the traces from SoC to eMMC are still OK) Aug 26 20:33:39 DocScrutinizer05: in order to get multiple tries at the pads? Aug 26 20:34:04 or you cut the PCB to get the eMMC chip incl PCB, the carefully file away the PCB until you reach the eMMC balls Aug 26 20:35:15 or - with precision tooling - you could even drill holes through the PCB until you just touch the eMMC solder balls Aug 26 20:35:58 rhn_mk1: in order to not apply any heat to the eMMC and instead unsolder the SoC and contact the PCB pads on SoC side Aug 26 20:37:31 that's a lot of work Aug 26 20:38:11 sure, I'm just sttaing what's the "correct" methods Aug 26 20:38:50 always interested in forensic methods, even if they may be overkill for me :) Aug 26 20:38:57 you also could check if the eMMC has JTAG pins, which you could use to read out content via JTAG boundary scan Aug 26 20:39:41 but to start with, you need supply voltage on eMMC Aug 26 20:40:01 on a defect device, that's not a given Aug 26 20:40:22 what's the problem with providing it externally? Aug 26 20:41:08 the power supply chain is highly sophisticated (TPS65950 GAIA companion chip) and needs to get controlled/configurated by a working CPU Aug 26 20:42:13 you could probbaly supply external voltage, given you have access to the signal path for VCC and you accept any adverse effects to the regulator in TPS65950 Aug 26 20:42:45 I see, you mean it's necessary to start GAIA properly if VCC is not accessible Aug 26 20:43:30 well, wait. I *guess* the regulator for eMMC supply must come up without CPU intervention, so CPU could potentially boot from eMMC Aug 26 20:43:45 yes Aug 26 20:43:54 though, see above Aug 26 20:44:25 odds are GAIA will provide eMMC VCC as soon as you power up the device Aug 26 20:45:41 is VCC for MMC separate from CPU? Aug 26 20:46:34 sure Aug 26 20:46:55 oh, that's surprising Aug 26 20:49:49 not really, considering that CPU needs at least 3 voltages Aug 26 20:51:07 it will share V18_IO with eMMC I guess, but eMMC will probably need more than only V18_IO Aug 26 20:51:34 surprising for a HW newbie that is Aug 26 20:51:41 :-) Aug 26 20:52:16 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for all the help and explanations Aug 26 20:52:39 I'll report tomorrow at noon - not enough time to wait the full day :( Aug 26 20:53:06 wish me luck! good night Aug 26 20:53:28 o/ Aug 26 21:22:01 I wonder, where is implementation for hd_title_bar_get_type, found in https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-desktop/blob/clutter-1.x/src/home/hd-title-bar.h#L81 Aug 26 21:22:07 can't find it in code for some reason Aug 26 21:39:39 ah, it's created by G_DEFINE_TYPE macro **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 27 03:00:01 2017