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Aug 30 03:32:01 <mike727> What's a good long-lasting screen protector? I have an "unknown brand" that still looks perfect (likely after several years), while I got Savvies for another N900 which easily gets scrached.
Aug 30 03:42:52 * Oksana is not an expert, unfortunately; and going to long, long lunch atm
Aug 30 06:40:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds scary
Aug 30 06:40:39 <bonggie> Is there any command to restore irc chat?
Aug 30 06:40:58 <bonggie> Just accidentally logged out 
Aug 30 06:41:01 <KotCzarny> yes, but you need to run bouncer
Aug 30 06:41:10 <KotCzarny> otherwise see topic for logs link
Aug 30 06:41:14 <bonggie> What is bouncer
Aug 30 06:41:38 <bonggie> I'm using n900 for chat
Aug 30 06:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki bouncer
Aug 30 06:44:35 <infobot> At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncer (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Wiktionarypar|bouncer}} 'Bouncer'('s') or 'The Bouncer' may refer to: * Bouncer (doorman), a person who provides security at a public venue *Bouncer, as defined by Nels Anderson in "Nel's Glossary of Hobo Terms" in "The Milk and Honey Route" (1930), is the strong man who throws the sleepers and drunks out of the mission *Baby bouncer, a seat for an infant that lets the infant bounce ...
Aug 30 06:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
Aug 30 06:45:23 <bonggie> So it must be installed on my server?
Aug 30 06:45:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 30 06:45:52 <DocScrutinizer05> or see chanlogs
Aug 30 06:45:54 <bonggie> Basically im always online from server?
Aug 30 06:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 30 06:46:03 <bonggie> Ooohh
Aug 30 06:46:08 <bonggie> I got that
Aug 30 06:46:19 <bonggie> And what about chanlogs?
Aug 30 06:46:29 <KotCzarny> enter: /topic
Aug 30 06:46:40 <bonggie> Wait
Aug 30 06:46:45 <bonggie> /topic
Aug 30 06:46:51 <KotCzarny> without the space 
Aug 30 06:47:02 <bonggie> Nothing happe
Aug 30 06:47:11 <KotCzarny> your irc client is weird
Aug 30 06:47:25 <KotCzarny> ~chanlogs
Aug 30 06:47:27 <bencoh> his irc client is telepathy-idle + rtcom-messaging-ui I suppose :)
Aug 30 06:47:30 <KotCzarny> ~logs
Aug 30 06:47:31 <infobot> All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
Aug 30 06:47:53 <KotCzarny> bencoh: meh
Aug 30 06:48:02 <bonggie> Hehehe im using irc plugin friom conversation apps
Aug 30 06:48:12 <bencoh> :)
Aug 30 06:48:23 <KotCzarny> bonggie: you might want dedicated irc client: xchat or hexchat is nice
Aug 30 06:48:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrxchat
Aug 30 06:48:39 <infobot> it has been said that jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/   <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks'
Aug 30 06:48:45 <KotCzarny> or if you arent afraid of console apps: irssi or bitchx
Aug 30 06:48:51 <bonggie> Yes after this i will install that
Aug 30 06:51:05 <bonggie> Which is the best
Aug 30 06:51:22 <bonggie> Xchat or hexchat
Aug 30 08:20:43 <sixwheeledbeast> IRC plugin doesn't do slash commands, bit daft actually. There is also pidgin if you like that sort of thing. It's not optimal on the screen size with a number of channels open.
Aug 30 08:22:50 <bencoh> you can make pidgin open a window per channel
Aug 30 08:22:59 <bencoh> and not /leave on close
Aug 30 08:23:19 <bencoh> it's a bit more usable this way
Aug 30 08:25:50 <sixwheeledbeast> I'd have to check.  /leave on close thing, it only does that if you close one channel IIRC
Aug 30 08:33:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ok maybe not
Aug 30 08:48:18 <sixwheeledbeast> Seems you can have a channel per window.
Aug 30 09:22:00 <Vajb> i would go for irssi. First it might seem off putting, but once u get use to it. There is no coming back.
Aug 30 09:23:31 <bencoh> indeed :)
Aug 30 09:58:57 <sicelo> what is the best/working application on N900 for gps tracking?
Aug 30 10:00:19 <sicelo> i see there was Marble at some point in time, as well as GPS recorder. i would like the tracks to be saved as either KML or GPX.
Aug 30 10:00:22 <sixwheeledbeast> as in tracking a lost device?
Aug 30 10:00:46 <sicelo> no .... mapping :-)
Aug 30 10:00:48 <sixwheeledbeast> oh, tracklogs. Modrana
Aug 30 10:01:22 <sixwheeledbeast> I have used modrana when I climbed Snowdon.
Aug 30 10:02:25 <sicelo> thanks. will look at it. how about GPS Recorder? any known issues?
Aug 30 10:03:35 <sixwheeledbeast> they are gpx I believe, Never used GPS Recorder. The only thing with modrana is getting the track to save ratio correct.
Aug 30 10:06:24 <sicelo> i think i'll try gpsrecorder first, as it is smaller. 
Aug 30 10:06:34 <sixwheeledbeast> for walking I have log 5s/ save 5m seems to be ok as long as you pause the tracking if you stop.
Aug 30 10:07:06 <sixwheeledbeast> Modrana is a full mapping application so will be heavier, but you can see your map live.
Aug 30 10:10:38 <sicelo> yes true
Aug 30 10:12:35 <bencoh> does gpsrecorder save to disk on the fly?
Aug 30 10:12:57 <bencoh> if so then you can use gpxsee to view track on map as it is updated
Aug 30 10:55:38 <sicelo> no idea about 'on-the fly'
Aug 30 10:56:22 <sicelo> i'd guess the file would be locked though
Aug 30 13:07:21 <bonggie> What your fav apps on n900 beside terminal :D 
Aug 30 13:07:30 <KotCzarny> oscp
Aug 30 13:07:53 <bonggie> What is that:
Aug 30 13:07:58 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Aug 30 13:07:59 <infobot> rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Aug 30 13:09:05 <bonggie> Wow nice apps
Aug 30 13:14:13 <bencoh> I'd say marble and mstardict (but xterm still comes first)
Aug 30 13:15:16 <bonggie> What about browser?
Aug 30 13:15:37 <bonggie> Are you comfortable with default browser?
Aug 30 13:17:07 <bencoh> not really no
Aug 30 13:40:08 <KotCzarny> one thing about n900 is miniscule amount of memory, 256M is not really good for today's web
Aug 30 13:40:17 <KotCzarny> and no way around it
Aug 30 13:40:42 <KotCzarny> one can try different solutions, but when single photo can take tens of megabytes, it really sucks on low mem device
Aug 30 13:40:56 <bonggie> Yeah. I waiting for the neo900
Aug 30 13:41:42 <KotCzarny> did you pledge already?
Aug 30 13:42:11 <KotCzarny> there won't be any availble after initial batch (unless there will be enough people wanting)
Aug 30 13:44:31 <jonwil> I wish I had the money to afford to buy a Neo900.
Aug 30 13:45:14 <jonwil> But since I dont I will continue using my N900 until it becomes unusable and cant be fixed and then I will hope that there is something available (Neo900 or some other device) that I can afford/justify buying and that is as good as the N900 is.
Aug 30 13:45:32 <KotCzarny> i bet n900 is good for another 10 years
Aug 30 13:45:52 <sicelo> haha
Aug 30 13:46:22 <bonggie> No :/ 
Aug 30 13:46:28 <sicelo> i don't konw about the 10 years ...
Aug 30 13:46:43 <jonwil> I hope that when my N900 does die I have viable choices other than a crApple phone or an Android.
Aug 30 13:46:44 <KotCzarny> sicelo, 3g isnt going away for the time being
Aug 30 13:46:45 <bonggie> I don't have that much money
Aug 30 13:46:58 <bonggie> Btw
Aug 30 13:47:03 <jonwil> I wouldn't use an iPhone even if someone gave it to me for free.
Aug 30 13:47:34 <sicelo> i rather hope the Maemo porting to allwiner works out well, and i can get a reasonably goodtablet for reasonable cose cost
Aug 30 13:47:39 <bonggie> How about certificate that expired
Aug 30 13:47:54 <jonwil> what certificate are you talking about?
Aug 30 13:49:04 <bonggie> Website certificate for https
Aug 30 13:49:31 <sicelo> that was fixeda  while ago already
Aug 30 13:50:02 <bonggie> Oh where can found the fix?
Aug 30 13:50:06 <bonggie> Forum?
Aug 30 13:50:36 <sicelo> ok i'm lost .. 
Aug 30 13:51:55 <sicelo> bonggie: you're saying you can't use HTTPS on the forum (talk.maemo.org)?
Aug 30 13:53:04 <bonggie> No no, i mean there a bunch of expired certificate on Settings > Certificate Manager on my N900 
Aug 30 13:53:21 <KotCzarny> did you install cssu?
Aug 30 13:53:29 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Aug 30 13:53:30 <infobot> i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Aug 30 13:53:36 <bonggie> Yes
Aug 30 13:53:51 <bonggie> I'm on cssu testing
Aug 30 13:53:54 <sicelo> and jonwil here is the master who keeps them up-to-date :)
Aug 30 14:04:23 <bonggie> Hahha so its possible to update those things? 
Aug 30 14:14:56 <bencoh> like pretty much everything in maemo ;)
Aug 30 14:15:03 <bencoh> (well, not exactly, but ... :)
Aug 31 01:15:58 <Oksana> >> <KotCzarny> one can try different solutions,but when single photo can take tens of megabytes, it really sucks on low mem device << Large photographs are usually the ones user wants to see, in high resolution (though 800x480 may be enough). Small things are more annoying though. I do hope that web-browser doesn't load msapplication-square310x310l
Aug 31 01:15:58 <Oksana> ogo image, and disregards all apple-touch-icons , too
Aug 31 01:28:50 <Oksana> How difficult to get this working on maemo? https://sourceforge.net/projects/lightfirefox/files/49rc/ GTK+ is 2.14.7 on Maemo 5 (right?), not 2.18. gLibc is confusing, too (do we have 2.17?). Other than that, dependencies are fine.
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