**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 06 03:00:01 2017
Sep 06 06:43:39 <Enrico_Menotti> Are the Maemo kernel sources available? There was http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/k/kernel/, which now is obviously dead. Also, I have found that the complete PR1.3 sources were available as a cdrom image, right? I have seen there is something on DocScrutinizer05 's site, but things are stored in the N9 directory. What for N900?
Sep 06 06:47:19 <bencoh> kernel-power is availabe in extras (including sources)
Sep 06 06:47:34 <Enrico_Menotti> And the stock kernel?
Sep 06 06:48:06 <bencoh> I don't remember ... sdk maybe
Sep 06 06:49:35 <Enrico_Menotti> Interesting page: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Maemo.
Sep 06 06:53:55 <Enrico_Menotti> Where is the sdk? I can't find it on muarf.
Sep 06 06:59:00 <bencoh> that's because it's hosted on repository.maemo.org
Sep 06 06:59:20 <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, it's on repository.maemo.org. But can't find the kernel. Was it available?
Sep 06 07:02:43 <Enrico_Menotti> Found it! It's in the repositories for Maemo SDKs, in the free components.
Sep 06 07:04:43 <Enrico_Menotti> Useful info: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-custom-kernel.html.
Sep 06 07:06:45 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, time to work now. Back on the game in the evening. bencoh : thanks for pointing me to the sdk.
Sep 06 10:31:45 <DocScrutinizer05> /topic
Sep 06 10:32:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
Sep 06 10:32:04 <infobot> somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Sep 06 19:04:47 <DocScrutinizer05> off-topic: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/S60-bulging/
Sep 06 19:05:25 <DocScrutinizer05> all of a sudden, unnoticed, during 30min while I had a walk with device on my belt
Sep 06 19:05:47 <KotCzarny> boom?
Sep 06 19:05:53 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing
Sep 06 19:06:05 <DocScrutinizer05> "just" pregnant
Sep 06 19:06:14 <DocScrutinizer05> 9 months in 30 min
Sep 06 19:06:27 <KotCzarny> it's an oldtimer twist on bending phones fad
Sep 06 19:06:47 <KotCzarny> it's an internal short
Sep 06 19:06:49 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: how old is that device?
Sep 06 19:07:01 <KotCzarny> crystal pierced insulator, started gassing
Sep 06 19:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> <24 months, rather 14
Sep 06 19:07:08 <freemangordon> omg
Sep 06 19:07:22 <freemangordon> my GF has the same
Sep 06 19:07:43 <freemangordon> it is less than 6 months old
Sep 06 19:07:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Cat-S60, Do they use same shit like Samsung?
Sep 06 19:07:54 <KotCzarny> LOL
Sep 06 19:07:58 <KotCzarny> it's that cat phone?
Sep 06 19:08:05 <freemangordon> yes, cat s60
Sep 06 19:08:11 <KotCzarny> the one that were meant to be hardened?
Sep 06 19:08:14 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.catphones.com/de-de/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/s60-feature-4.jpg 
Sep 06 19:08:14 <freemangordon> mhm
Sep 06 19:08:20 <KotCzarny> ...
Sep 06 19:08:47 <DocScrutinizer05> THIS one isn't waterproof anymore ;-P
Sep 06 19:08:57 <freemangordon> does it still work?
Sep 06 19:09:04 <KotCzarny> LOL
Sep 06 19:09:05 <DocScrutinizer05> YES! :-D
Sep 06 19:09:13 <KotCzarny> discharge it
Sep 06 19:09:21 <freemangordon> BTW, that "hardened" device lost is backcover paint in less than 2 months
Sep 06 19:09:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, placed it outdoors, in a plastic sack
Sep 06 19:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> left it powered up
Sep 06 19:10:18 <DocScrutinizer05> no paint here, mere plastic with fake carbon fibre optics
Sep 06 19:10:45 <KotCzarny> maybe it was a store refurb
Sep 06 19:10:50 <freemangordon> yes, this is what I am talking about, it mimics carbon fibre but is paint
Sep 06 19:10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Sep 06 19:11:41 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway great to receive a reploacement (I *hope* so, since the display already has sufered pressure damage - a thumb fingerprint sized blueish dot in white display
Sep 06 19:11:44 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: no, brand new
Sep 06 19:12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> also I heard they are selling a modified cwersion now, with less flimsy covers for the receptacles, with better seals etc
Sep 06 19:12:54 <DocScrutinizer05> s/cwersion/verison/
Sep 06 19:12:55 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: also I heard they are selling a modified verison now, with less flimsy covers for the receptacles, with better seals etc
Sep 06 19:13:04 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: BTW, have you ever had problems with proximity sensor (or its SW) on that device?
Sep 06 19:13:17 <freemangordon> as it seems the screen unlocks randomli in a call
Sep 06 19:13:23 <freemangordon> *randomly
Sep 06 19:13:28 <KotCzarny> at this rate i suspect cheapo 'myphone hammer' would fare better
Sep 06 19:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> errr, I don't even know if it HAS a proximity sensor. I never used that device as a phone
Sep 06 19:13:58 <freemangordon> ah. what for than, hammer? :D
Sep 06 19:14:02 <freemangordon> *then
Sep 06 19:14:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Sep 06 19:14:27 <APic> Hm.
Sep 06 19:14:51 <freemangordon> what did you use that device for if not as a phone?
Sep 06 19:14:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I used this device for "MEH android, I know I jate it" and for the awesome FLIR
Sep 06 19:15:12 <freemangordon> yeah, FLIR
Sep 06 19:15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> *occasionally* I used offline google maps navigation
Sep 06 19:16:54 <freemangordon> yeah, it managed to get me almost lost in Greece a couple of times (google navigation)
Sep 06 19:17:04 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly the FLIR is the only reason to really use it. It's sooooo awesome. Just yesterday I strked the table with my cigarette and the glowing spot went off and flee *somewhere*. With FLOR it was a matter of seconds to spot it and verify there's no pending doom from it
Sep 06 19:17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> fell*
Sep 06 19:17:43 <freemangordon> for some reason it tells you "turn left" 100 meters before you really have to
Sep 06 19:17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah sire
Sep 06 19:17:55 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Sep 06 19:18:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I still have a look at the route at laerge before I start driving
Sep 06 19:18:48 <freemangordon> after that experience I always have sygic on n900 running in parallel :)
Sep 06 19:19:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I got a good feeling for not taking a turn into a tiny way when it tells me to turn, when there's a huge street within vicinity. Until I approach my destination and small streets make sense
Sep 06 19:20:05 <freemangordon> yeah, I know that feeling :)
Sep 06 19:21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, this SHIT DAMN battery in S60, THANK YOU for giving me option for warranty replacement, just in time when they *finally* rooted that crappgone-S60
Sep 06 19:21:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm so happy I didn't root it last week already
Sep 06 19:21:57 <DocScrutinizer05> https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/cat-s60-snapdragon-617-rootable-t3433018/post73310026#post73310026
Sep 06 19:23:11 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at those ridiculous tiny plastic chips. Called uSD and micro-SIM
Sep 06 19:32:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/S60-bulging/DSCF2712.JPG
Sep 06 20:37:14 <freemangordon> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1534009#post1534009
Sep 06 20:37:27 <freemangordon> progress on fremantle porting to devuan
Sep 06 20:38:02 <freemangordon> Wizzup: parazyd: ^^^
Sep 06 20:39:40 <parazyd> <3
Sep 06 20:45:26 <parazyd> tomorrow Wizzup and i will continue a bit on our side with the packaging stuff
Sep 06 20:45:39 <parazyd> we got quite far i'd say
Sep 06 20:49:47 <freemangordon> I am waiting for arm builds to install it on my tablet :)
Sep 06 20:51:28 <parazyd> yep! 
Sep 06 20:52:19 <parazyd> btw, how does the environment start? is there a login manager of some sort in place?
Sep 06 20:52:52 <freemangordon> no login manager
Sep 06 20:53:11 <freemangordon> user is hardcoded in maemo - "user"
Sep 06 20:53:36 <freemangordon> startup process is still to be fixed, I have hard time with upstart
Sep 06 20:53:46 <parazyd> i see
Sep 06 20:54:20 <freemangordon> half of the stuff is started via upstart, the other via Xsession.d
Sep 06 20:54:43 <freemangordon> but for sure there is lots of worc for /etc/init
Sep 06 20:54:46 <freemangordon> *work
Sep 06 20:55:00 <parazyd> yeah... devuan plans for openrc eventually, so keep that in mind
Sep 06 20:55:07 <freemangordon> also, I think i am hitting some upstream bug as it seems dbus doesnt get started on bootup
Sep 06 20:55:35 <freemangordon> I will, but I will need help with that one when it comes to it
Sep 06 20:55:57 <parazyd> openrc is something i can help with :)
Sep 06 20:56:03 <freemangordon> cool
Sep 06 20:56:04 <parazyd> probably more of us here too
Sep 06 20:57:06 <freemangordon> so far I fixed it to the point - "does it start somehow? YES, cool. leave it that way" :)
Sep 06 20:57:55 <parazyd> :D
Sep 06 20:58:11 <KotCzarny> good enough tech [tm]
Sep 06 21:01:42 <freemangordon> BTW, isn;t upstart supposed to start sysvrc scripts?
Sep 06 21:02:49 * parazyd never used upstart knowingly
Sep 06 21:03:09 <parazyd> sysvinit isn't doing it for you?
Sep 06 21:03:28 <freemangordon> it is upstart that does the booting
Sep 06 21:04:45 <freemangordon> however, enough for today, night
Sep 06 21:05:01 <parazyd> night
Sep 06 22:36:06 <Wizzup> freemangordon: loving the demo video
Sep 07 00:36:31 <drathir> freemangordon: ++ < freemangordon> progress on fremantle porting to devuan
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