**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 06 03:00:01 2017 Oct 06 04:56:52 cool, access #chan list works Oct 06 05:08:04 btw. freenode has +S (successor) flag, might be first thing to add too after freenode action Oct 06 05:18:30 what would be the command to disable vibration? I tried "stop vibrating incoming call" from "phone control wiki", but it didn't have effect. Oct 06 05:18:50 ~phonecontrol Oct 06 05:18:51 i guess phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Oct 06 05:18:56 ahm Oct 06 05:18:58 my problem is libnotify which overruns even the setting from profile menu Oct 06 05:19:23 i wonder if it's a function that can be disabled by some rmmod Oct 06 05:21:01 no idea. I only know that DocScrutinizer05 said that it can be disabled by using alarmed. So i started to look and couldn't find a command. So i am back :) Oct 06 05:23:45 silent mode Oct 06 05:25:49 DocScrutinizer05: that's the exact problem. Libnotify still vibrates my phone even if i have silent mode with vibration disabled Oct 06 05:26:08 shouldn't be Oct 06 05:26:18 sorry U don't know what's libnotify and how it gets in here Oct 06 05:26:24 I* Oct 06 05:26:45 could somebody else test it? Oct 06 05:26:56 pidgin uses it to notify user Oct 06 05:27:07 meh, no pidgin here Oct 06 05:27:39 only way to disble vibration is via libnotify setings, but that kinda misses the point of that function.... Oct 06 05:27:57 i guess apps can override system settings if using hw directly instead of system Oct 06 05:28:01 wtf are libnotify settings? Oct 06 05:28:31 could it be that libnotify needs a patch Oct 06 05:28:41 I already thought along same line as KotCzarny Oct 06 05:28:49 pidgin-plugins-libnotify-configure plugin Oct 06 05:29:03 Vajb: iiuc, freedesktop.notify functionality is provided by hildon-home via hildon-plugins-notify-sv Oct 06 05:29:12 fsck pidgin, sorry Oct 06 05:29:19 won't touch that POS Oct 06 05:30:07 freemangordon: possibly that abomination called pidgin directly uses sysnodes Oct 06 05:30:18 nfc Oct 06 05:30:48 I mean, fcam did same for LED Oct 06 05:31:31 DocScrutinizer05: well that does not answer my question exactly :) Oct 06 05:31:59 DocScrutinizer05: I doubt Oct 06 05:32:03 vajb, are you good in c code reading? ;) Oct 06 05:32:19 i disabled vibration from the plugin menu, but then i miss a lot of messages while on the move Oct 06 05:32:35 vajb, maybe it has 'run some command on notify' Oct 06 05:32:51 then you could try plugging in phonecontrol line Oct 06 05:32:59 KotCzarny: sure, an expert one might say. After all i've been learning typescript for four weeks already ;) Oct 06 05:33:29 Vajb: sorry, but could you explain again what your problem is? You want to disable vibration system-wide or for pidgin notifications only or what? Oct 06 05:33:35 typescript is very c-like, so all you will need to catch up is some default functions Oct 06 05:33:54 fmg: pidging does vibrate even when phone set to 'silent' Oct 06 05:34:03 ah, I see Oct 06 05:34:04 that's how i understood his problem Oct 06 05:34:10 freemangordon: i want libnotify to respect system settings Oct 06 05:34:22 stop talking about libnotify Oct 06 05:34:23 Vajb: libnotify respects them, that's for sure Oct 06 05:34:36 DocScrutinizer05: yes, it is libnotify Oct 06 05:34:49 that calls hildon-home through dbus Oct 06 05:34:55 fmg: libnotify respects system settings? Oct 06 05:35:04 KotCzarny: ^^^ Oct 06 05:35:08 yes, but podgin lies to you Oct 06 05:35:20 then how come it does not for me? Oct 06 05:35:24 KotCzarny: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/hd-notification-manager.c#L79 Oct 06 05:35:32 that's why you should not use "libnotify" when you mean "puidgin" Oct 06 05:35:44 uhum Oct 06 05:35:48 Vajb: what notification category is used? Oct 06 05:36:37 i don't understand the question :) Oct 06 05:36:44 see? Oct 06 05:37:38 Vajb: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 Oct 06 05:37:41 vajb, are there any configurability regarding notifications? Oct 06 05:37:48 or just simple 'do or dont' ? Oct 06 05:38:07 dbus-monitor then? Oct 06 05:38:07 i have pidgin. I use telegram. I have libnotify for pidgin. I set vibration on from libnotify settings in pidgin. I ask it to vibrate when message is received. Then it vibrates always when there is a message. No matter if i use silent profile without vibration. Oct 06 05:38:47 Vajb: use dbus-monitor to find what parameters are passed to org.freedesktop.Notifications Oct 06 05:40:52 would "mdbus2 -l org.freedesktop.Notifications" be the right command to use? Oct 06 05:41:29 no idea what mdbus2 is Oct 06 05:41:35 duh! Oct 06 05:41:45 but as long as it monitors dbus, it should do the job Oct 06 05:41:52 ok Oct 06 05:42:52 http://paste.opensuse.org/31189121 Oct 06 05:42:59 Vajb: see https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py for how to test notifications Oct 06 05:43:19 [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.Notifications.NotificationClosed /org/freedesktop/Notifications :1.34 Oct 06 05:43:22 ( 88 ) Oct 06 05:43:42 that is what it gives me Oct 06 05:44:15 well, you should have a call to org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify first :) Oct 06 05:44:34 i have silent profile enabled and vibration disabled from settings menu and my phone sure is vibrating when there is a message in telegram :) Oct 06 05:44:43 ok, got that Oct 06 05:45:05 Vajb: read a bit about notifications on https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/ Oct 06 05:45:10 but not now :) Oct 06 05:45:39 Vajb: however, please provide the parameters of org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify DBUS call Oct 06 05:46:27 DocScrutinizer05: Oct 06 05:47:02 dbus-monitor |grep -C3 otifi *should* work Oct 06 05:47:20 I don't think mdbus -l offers a parameter for filtering Oct 06 05:47:20 Vajb: notification category is the start of the 4th parameter - see https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py#L17 Oct 06 05:50:31 http://paste.opensuse.org/37952339 Oct 06 05:50:54 then it gets translated by https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 to nsv category Oct 06 05:52:48 I think a -A5 on grep will serve better Oct 06 05:52:59 instead -C3 Oct 06 05:53:12 -A5 otifi? Oct 06 05:53:17 yep Oct 06 05:53:25 k will try Oct 06 05:53:51 mdbus2 didn't provide anything else than what i already pasted Oct 06 05:54:09 then use dbus-monitor Oct 06 05:58:24 doing it not, just waiting for the message to happen Oct 06 05:58:37 it now* Oct 06 05:59:36 Vajb: waiting? Oct 06 05:59:49 ;-) Oct 06 06:00:29 yes me and dbus-monitor :) Oct 06 06:00:36 Vajb: also, you may look at https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-profile.c#L361 as well Oct 06 06:01:07 I think he might rather want to look into pidgin sources Oct 06 06:01:23 or actually read the whole hildon-plugins-notify-sv code, to see how are notifications, categories, profiles etc connected Oct 06 06:01:23 no? Oct 06 06:01:46 freemangordon: Vajb is no coder Oct 06 06:01:47 DocScrutinizer05: that one as well, if it is going to help him find what category is used for notification Oct 06 06:01:57 well... Oct 06 06:02:11 not much I can do there :) Oct 06 06:02:37 DocScrutinizer05: will be, eventually! Went to school already. Oct 06 06:02:47 me neither, except suggesting to check if everything except pidgin behaves or if it's a system wide problem Oct 06 06:03:20 DocScrutinizer05: I can bet this is not a bug, but feature ;) Oct 06 06:03:24 I still could bet the damn pidgin plugin is fubar Oct 06 06:04:14 just like whole pidgin Oct 06 06:04:45 is it true that all the bugs are features, but all the features are not bugs? Oct 06 06:05:09 err, notifcations don't make phone vibrate Oct 06 06:05:27 you have to explicitly send a request to mce Oct 06 06:05:35 bencoh: come on Oct 06 06:06:07 freemangordon: well, that was my conclusion last time I tried and eventually hacked the pidgin notify plugin Oct 06 06:06:10 that request is send by hildon-plugins-notify-sv when needed Oct 06 06:06:29 ah, you mean that pidgin calls mce? Oct 06 06:06:33 yes Oct 06 06:06:42 that another story then Oct 06 06:06:46 bencoh: any plans to update the plugin in the repos? Oct 06 06:07:13 bencoh: however, notifications may make phone vibrate Oct 06 06:07:42 yes, by SENDING a signal to mce Oct 06 06:07:48 no Oct 06 06:08:08 just a second to find the code Oct 06 06:08:09 freemangordon: well, either I don't recall correctly, or my test fell in a corner case that wasn't properly handled Oct 06 06:08:10 no idea then Oct 06 06:09:08 bencoh: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-util.c#L18 Oct 06 06:09:21 all I know is I send vibra dbus msg explicitly in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh Oct 06 06:10:26 you can make it vibrate via a call to org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify, but it depends on the notification type and obeys current profile Oct 06 06:10:56 yes, I *rhink* this call obeys silent profile Oct 06 06:11:16 meh I don't have access to my maemo clones for now Oct 06 06:11:20 calling mce directly bypasses all this, so yeah, you might be right that pidgin notifications plugin is an ugly hack Oct 06 06:11:44 freemangordon: the question is why did they feel the need to do such a hack Oct 06 06:11:55 (ie didn't it work in the first place without calling mce) Oct 06 06:12:00 no idea, might be a lack of knowledge? Oct 06 06:12:03 maybe Oct 06 06:12:57 Vajb: I dont really have anything ready (and can't access my code for now, which doesn't help here) Oct 06 06:13:07 bencoh: try https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py on your device, with various categories from https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 Oct 06 06:13:34 btw, now im wondering what "otifi" means in dbus-monitor |grep -A5 otifi? Oct 06 06:14:00 bencoh: make sure you have vibration enabled in profile settings Oct 06 06:14:26 Vajb: it is a part of Notifications Oct 06 06:14:45 val = (const GValue *)g_hash_table_lookup(hints, "vibra"); Oct 06 06:14:50 interesting Oct 06 06:14:52 N-otifi-cations Oct 06 06:14:58 bencoh: yeah, that one too Oct 06 06:17:51 bencoh: BTW, the link between hildon-home and above code is in https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/hd-sv-notification-daemon.c Oct 06 06:17:54 N otifi cations Oct 06 06:19:11 actually I meant to use N otif y Oct 06 06:19:34 n otif ication Oct 06 06:19:52 m otif ation ;-P Oct 06 06:20:34 bencoh: is that pidgin plugin code available somewhere onlain? Oct 06 06:20:40 *online Oct 06 06:21:13 garage? Oct 06 06:21:44 back in those days people used garage.m.o a lot Oct 06 06:22:07 seems that's not 'modern' anymore Oct 06 06:23:06 github is way easier to use Oct 06 06:24:02 https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=pidgin&Search=Suche Oct 06 06:24:15 freemangordon: apt-get source iirc Oct 06 06:24:29 and I rebased it on top of a bit newer version Oct 06 06:24:35 DocScrutinizer05: I don't see plugins there Oct 06 06:24:46 nfc Oct 06 06:24:52 bencoh: do you have it on some github repo? Oct 06 06:25:00 freemangordon: I have never pushed it, no Oct 06 06:25:01 I want to see the code of that plugin Oct 06 06:25:05 oh, ok Oct 06 06:25:21 and muarf.org is unreachable for now Oct 06 06:25:35 (my sb vm is hosted on it) Oct 06 06:26:42 do you have an idea how is package called? Oct 06 06:27:19 anyway WRONG file but still at least a sourcefile: https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/pidgin/trunk/pidgin/add-icons-to-control Oct 06 06:27:43 btw startpage is down Oct 06 06:28:04 meh, was temporary Oct 06 06:28:23 DocScrutinizer05: iiuc plugins are not part of pidgin itself Oct 06 06:28:34 prolly not, ye Oct 06 06:29:23 https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/pidgin/trunk/pidgin/patches/ Oct 06 06:31:53 now for something possibly more useful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_notifications Oct 06 06:33:03 might at least give away the package name Oct 06 06:33:08 or hint to it Oct 06 06:34:18 https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=pidgin-plugin+libnotify+maemo Oct 06 06:36:01 libnotify-dev (v. 0.4.4-2) libnotify1 (v. 0.4.4-2) from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=123 Oct 06 06:38:02 generic: http://gaim-libnotify.sourceforge.net/ Oct 06 06:38:03 freemangordon: pidgin-libnotify iirc Oct 06 06:38:27 (s/iirc/assuming Vajb is referring to this one) Oct 06 06:40:35 >>This plugin adds a libnotify interface to pidgin Version 0.13 (2007-06-30): rename to pidgin-libnotify<< Oct 06 06:41:15 sorry, have to run to the office, bbl Oct 06 06:42:22 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gaim/ Oct 06 06:45:21 yes that is the one. Got lots of info from dbus-monitor. Including messages. What info i need to provide from it? Oct 06 06:48:25 https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/gaim kibgaim/notify.c ? Oct 06 06:50:41 or libgaim/plugins/*whatever* ? Oct 06 06:53:06 Vajb: which version is pidgin? Oct 06 06:53:35 ~pkg Oct 06 06:53:36 somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 06 06:54:24 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-libnotify/ Oct 06 06:55:04 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/pidgin-libnotify/0.14.2-3/ Oct 06 06:56:25 buold-depends: mce-dev Oct 06 06:56:51 pidgin: Oct 06 06:56:52 Installed: 2.10.11-0maemo1 Oct 06 06:57:49 pidgin-libnotify: Oct 06 06:57:49 Installed: 0.14.2-3 Oct 06 06:59:10 freemangordon: seems http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/p/pidgin-libnotify/pidgin-libnotify_0.14.2.orig.tar.gz src/pidgin-libnotify.c Oct 06 06:59:30 and *diff* Oct 06 06:59:33 https://pastebin.com/raw/9jWv78dR Oct 06 06:59:43 freemangordon: ^ Oct 06 07:00:04 paste from grep otify Oct 06 07:00:14 during one received message Oct 06 07:01:32 hope this helps Oct 06 07:01:34 bbl Oct 06 12:41:08 where does devuan store vmlinuz and initrd? Oct 06 12:41:49 i had broken memory and it messed my system so it only boots to grub Oct 06 12:42:23 i found my root file system but can't locate vmlinuz or initrd Oct 06 12:42:36 or is it saner to just reinstall? Oct 06 12:42:45 did you check partition 1 ? Oct 06 12:42:46 though it wont teach me anything Oct 06 12:44:34 could vmlinuz be in different partition than root filesystem? Oct 06 12:44:53 i found root system in (hd0,4) Oct 06 12:45:17 and vmlinuz-linux from (hd0,3) Oct 06 12:45:30 but no initrd.img so far Oct 06 12:46:43 in /boot i have just folder grub Oct 06 13:26:02 on a x86 jessie install, i have it all in /boot Oct 06 13:26:38 does anyone know, if in ascii i can still run ~newish proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam ? :) Oct 06 13:26:44 * buZz replaying HL2 Oct 06 13:27:01 just get older laptop Oct 06 13:27:10 for sentimental gaming Oct 06 13:27:14 eh :) Oct 06 13:27:24 my workstation is a xeon with gtx1060 :P Oct 06 13:27:42 and 5520x1080 resolution Oct 06 13:28:12 grab thinkpad t60p Oct 06 13:28:22 perfect for such activities Oct 06 13:28:25 i have a x201 and x230 Oct 06 13:28:47 either way, no clue about the nvidia question? :) Oct 06 13:28:59 nope Oct 06 13:29:08 maybe i should just try it out for yolo, worst case will need a reinstall Oct 06 13:29:12 best hw i have is ati 7870 ;) Oct 06 13:29:29 i have a 6950 here catching dust Oct 06 13:29:36 from when i used to mine with a pile of gpus Oct 06 13:30:52 buZz: ah, the X201. great laptop, just don't put it on your lap ;) Oct 06 13:31:03 hehe yeah, x230 is a lot better in that aspect Oct 06 13:31:36 not entirely sure what I expected though getting a full-voltage i5 in that form factor! Oct 06 13:32:01 hm? its a 640LM in mine Oct 06 13:32:21 ah. I got the i5 540M in mine Oct 06 13:32:32 you say 6950, ho hum Oct 06 13:32:43 KotCzarny: interested? i owe you anyway Oct 06 13:32:47 I have mine sitting on its Ultrabase semi-permanently, pretty much just use it to get into my desktop's IPMI Oct 06 13:32:51 hehe Oct 06 13:32:58 let me check the comparisons first Oct 06 13:33:02 its modded though, the fans died and i plonked 2x 80mm fans on it with zipties Oct 06 13:33:15 seems 7870 is faster Oct 06 13:33:17 o.O Oct 06 13:33:20 cant be controlled now, but you could totally remod it Oct 06 13:33:28 heh, np, i have more dust for it to collect ;) Oct 06 13:33:48 yeah, i have 5770 catching dust too Oct 06 13:33:56 pity cant run any of them together Oct 06 13:34:06 you can, just not in SLI :) Oct 06 13:34:15 that's what i meant Oct 06 13:34:24 ^_^ just get more monitors Oct 06 13:34:32 and more hands/eyes ? :P Oct 06 13:34:36 yez Oct 06 13:34:39 grow em :D Oct 06 13:34:59 i maxed out this workstation, need to get upgrades Oct 06 13:35:12 i'm thinking ; xeon e5 26xx v4 and http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DAL-i.cfm Oct 06 13:35:35 should get me 8+ cores and higher max ram than i will ever be able to hit :) Oct 06 13:36:08 and just ~0.3 btc for motherboard + cpu , without ram Oct 06 13:37:26 i should get me better compilation station Oct 06 13:37:32 buZz: Go wide ;) http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DAi.cfm Oct 06 13:38:11 hurrian: whats the benefit beside higher max ram? :) Oct 06 13:38:42 More space taken up inside the cavernous case required to house an EATX machine! Oct 06 13:38:50 lol Oct 06 13:38:56 I'm using a dual LGA1366 board... with 18 DIMM slots Oct 06 13:39:18 i wanna avoid E- (and EE-) ATX Oct 06 13:39:25 Got 18 * 16GB RDIMMs off eBay -> fun Oct 06 13:39:39 registered? Oct 06 13:39:42 yep Oct 06 13:39:43 nice and warm :D Oct 06 13:39:57 the machine takes around 5 minutes to do the memory training Oct 06 13:39:58 oh wait, no, confusing it for FBDIMM Oct 06 13:40:44 still warm, board's environment sensors say that the DIMMs are running 15C above ambient Oct 06 13:41:03 :) Oct 06 13:41:07 so I had to add a Spot Cool-type fan to get the air moving Oct 06 13:42:48 oh wait, i thought this was #devuan , lol Oct 06 13:42:57 ^_^ Oct 06 13:44:27 is there a difference? Oct 06 13:45:20 hehe :P well for some ;) Oct 06 15:14:01 i'll bring it to the attention of the others :-) Oct 06 15:14:13 backscroll fail sorry Oct 06 15:24:02 Vajb: Oct 06 15:24:08 if (purple_prefs_get_bool ("/plugins/gtk/libnotify/vibrate")) Oct 06 15:25:21 Vajb: unfortunately that pidgin plugin uses mce directly to control vibra Oct 06 15:25:37 but, it seems it can be disabled, along with LED notification Oct 06 15:25:38 ping the maintainer? Oct 06 15:25:46 otherwise send to limbo for fixes? Oct 06 15:26:39 Naikel Aparicio Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:47:13 -0700 Oct 06 15:26:48 good luck with that Oct 06 15:27:11 is there fremantle-fixes-team ? Oct 06 15:27:17 no idea Oct 06 15:28:29 Vajb: however, it sees you should be able to disable vibra in pidgin preferences (or plugin preferences) Oct 06 16:00:28 or Vajb should take over maintainership :-) Oct 06 16:04:03 freemangordon: shoulfn't MCE disable vibra in silent mode? or rather, should we teach it to act like this? Oct 06 16:04:57 DocScrutinizer05: I don;t think so, it is not mce to decide about profiles Oct 06 16:06:06 yeah, obviously not, but maybe mce can learn a "permanently disabled" mode for resources, and some optional app would send the necessary signals/msgs Oct 06 16:07:13 why shall we do that, after all if some stupid program wants access to vibra, it can reach it through sysfs and we can;t stop it Oct 06 16:08:15 err, how's that relevant? Oct 06 16:09:23 the question is rather: is there a canonical way to play a MCE vib pattern that obeys profile settings Oct 06 16:09:27 DocScrutinizer05: maybe I can't understand your idea Oct 06 16:09:36 ah Oct 06 16:09:57 but, mce is just an executor Oct 06 16:10:31 yes, and aiui it receives all commands re vibra directly from the apps, no? Oct 06 16:11:01 well, it is passed through dbus, but we can assume it is the same Oct 06 16:11:10 so yes Oct 06 16:11:34 so there's missing the global "killswitch" for vibra Oct 06 16:11:44 * freemangordon checks Oct 06 16:13:33 I still think my xchat vibra is "muted" in silent mode ->> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh - need to re-check that Oct 06 16:14:11 I'd *expect* it to work like that, at least Oct 06 16:14:12 DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/mce/blob/gtk2/modules/vibrator.c#L454 Oct 06 16:14:20 this is the only condition I see Oct 06 16:14:36 so yeah, no vibra_lill_switch Oct 06 16:14:46 *vibra_kill_switch Oct 06 16:15:02 however, one can alwasy make vibra sysfs path read-only Oct 06 16:15:10 a kind of a hack, but still Oct 06 16:15:17 hehe, that's a very funny special check Oct 06 16:15:29 but deffinitely makes sense Oct 06 16:15:53 yes, but we could easily augment that so it also checks for silent mode Oct 06 16:16:18 you can have active vibra in silent mode Oct 06 16:16:56 there's that dedicated "[_] vibrator" field in profiles settings, I'd expect that to work globally, not only for notifications Oct 06 16:17:35 architecture/design flaw Oct 06 16:17:38 I see your point, but still think this is app problem, not system Oct 06 16:18:19 also, the application in question has setting to disable vibra Oct 06 16:18:50 also, imagine we want to urgently get user's attention Oct 06 16:19:03 overheat, for example or battery critical, or... Oct 06 16:19:10 it's a system architecture problem, system doesn't provide a globally kill-able vibra invokation method aiui. Requiring every app to do check for a system global flag to decuide if to mute vibra is no good design Oct 06 16:19:28 applications are not supposed to call mce directly Oct 06 16:20:04 then what IS the canonical vibra trigger method? Oct 06 16:20:42 no such thing, you should create notification and that will obey profile settings Oct 06 16:20:55 and will enable vibra or not Oct 06 16:21:07 err, I want to activate a vibra, not pop up a requester Oct 06 16:22:47 I am not sure I know the answer of that question :) Oct 06 16:23:15 but, for IM client, notification is the right way IMO Oct 06 16:23:38 either or, when you say apps need to call mce directly to trigger vibra then that's the flaw. When you say they should rather invoke notifications then I miss a call that does exactly same like the direct mce call in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh and apps shpuld get fixed to use such call instead of direct mce call like I do Oct 06 16:24:32 mce has a queue for vibra, if I read the code correctly Oct 06 16:24:48 anyway, pizza is here, /me is going afk Oct 06 16:58:13 freemangordon: i disabled vibra from settings, but then i started missing messages. It it is kind of pain to always go to settings to disable vibra, kinda misses the point of check box in silent profile. Well, I'll live with it. Oct 06 17:03:44 vajb: is there 'execute program on action' plugin/functionality? Oct 06 17:04:43 there should be Oct 06 17:08:03 then it should be possible to plug dbus-vibrate-on-msg Oct 06 17:09:17 actually no plugin needed Oct 06 17:09:40 it's in "Sounds" preferences ..allows you to specify a custom command Oct 06 17:10:54 oh wait .. i'm wrong. that accepts sound files. Oct 06 18:23:49 wow i found system using older kernel than n900, tho it is from my cdrom. Knoppix is using kernel 2.6.28.4 Oct 06 20:07:17 what media player would you recommend for maemo Oct 06 20:07:20 has to play flac :x Oct 06 20:08:42 oscp Oct 06 20:08:43 :P Oct 06 20:09:38 hmm installing it Oct 06 20:09:55 use the one from extras-devel Oct 06 20:10:26 I have extras and extras-devel activated Oct 06 20:10:32 so it'll get the newest from devel I think? Oct 06 20:10:40 most likely Oct 06 20:10:58 oh god what did I download Oct 06 20:11:00 :P Oct 06 20:12:05 well it does work Oct 06 20:12:12 is there something neater with fancy album art and all? Oct 06 21:28:34 Wouldn't you just need the Ogg support package? Oct 06 22:25:30 (( oh wait .. i'm wrong. that accepts sound files.)) that's exactly what I exploited in xchat Oct 06 22:30:05 I adjusted "sound playing program" (OWTTE) to pint to my script http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh Oct 06 22:31:07 and maybe the sequence of commands in that script is nonsense, should get inverted: dbus-send first, then aplay Oct 06 22:32:08 err play-sound, downside: play-sound is pretty stupid a audioplayer Oct 07 00:25:58 DocScrutinizer05, i hope you realize that's a slightly bonkers botnet master, just saying Oct 07 00:26:19 who, incog? Oct 07 00:26:20 yes Oct 07 00:26:30 okay, just checking! Oct 07 00:26:43 :-) thanks for headsup Oct 07 00:27:05 couldn't say it there, because, unlike him, as a reasonable irc user, i am muted. Oct 07 00:27:15 LOL Oct 07 00:27:32 better not upset him Oct 07 00:27:54 DocScrutinizer05, yes, that's probably why i'm muted and he's not. i've been here for long enough that staff know i can't hurt them, while he can. Oct 07 00:28:09 hehehe Oct 07 00:28:32 nfc why you're muted Oct 07 00:28:57 DocScrutinizer05, anyway you could also do something that monitors #antispammeta and automatically ignore people who trigger certain things in it Oct 07 00:29:19 DocScrutinizer05, because of this https://pastebin.com/jwSFC1Nn Oct 07 00:33:40 W*T*F?! Oct 07 00:33:51 * LjL shrugs Oct 07 00:34:39 freenode ops seem pretty... angry lately Oct 07 00:34:52 #freenode has been like that for a long time. i'm so sick of this network at this point. the so-called "helpers" are completely unhelpful (and oftentimes they are actually professional trolls, or even lurking attackers like incog), and when they get you crazy by their constant useless nagging you while you wait for an actual staffer to address your concern... that's when you get chastized for snapping. Oct 07 00:35:53 :nod: seen that N times a day Oct 07 00:36:08 well, apparently, you better not complain about it when it happens. Oct 07 00:36:27 although i admittedly had a very distinct feeling i would be muted when i said that, and did it anyway Oct 07 00:38:04 chanops muting criticism us a sure sign for overcharge Oct 07 00:38:12 is* Oct 07 00:38:33 it kinda feels like mafia. sorry if the analogy is outlandish but i am italian so. you go to the police to complain about constant horrible behavior that's widespread, and they act slightly hostile towards *you* and do nothing. if you do this repeatedly, eventually you get loud enough that they feel justified to indict *you*... if the mafioso haven't already done something nice to you in the meanwhile (cfr: friendly neighbor botnet masters lurking in a channel Oct 07 00:38:34 where people are constantly asking about things involving their security on freenode) Oct 07 00:39:01 usually from getting over sensitized by true trolling Oct 07 00:40:07 :nod: Oct 07 00:45:14 yeah, i feel burdened by that a lot lately, because, well, i *am* very easily oversensitized by people acting trollish and the fact being ignored. it's because of personal anxiety/anger reasons, but that doesn't mean the whole system is justified and it's just my problem... my own issues just make me more sensitive to the problem than people who can more easily be like "oh well" and move on Oct 07 01:03:15 do you think Fuchs got pissed for me discussing that anti.spam concept in public chan where the idiot botmaster sees it? Oct 07 02:07:30 DocScrutinizer05, it really is appalling, isn't it? i certainly get that the countless suggestions of things that have been tried and ruled out already definitely get old. but none of it is helped by insulting people who are as much as "uh? what just happened?" every time there's an attack, and yelling "DON'T COMMENT!" etc at them... which is generally what spawns these 'nice' discussions. Oct 07 02:07:43 incredible Oct 07 02:09:50 DocScrutinizer05, i don't think Fuchs did, but if he did, well, it's their fault for allowing the botmaster to linger in the channel in the first place, so forget about that. Oct 07 02:10:57 ack Oct 07 02:12:33 DocScrutinizer05, to be clear, it's not like i know in depth who incog is and have connections with everyone and everything (if anything, i broke off the few connections i had, due to annoyance)... but, i used to be an op in #ubuntu and actually wrote bots to deal with that sort of spam, and while this was several years ago, i *already* remember incog always "magically appearing" around the times botnets attacked Oct 07 02:13:14 yeah Oct 07 02:13:21 and uttering nonsense Oct 07 02:13:37 watched that corellation during last few days Oct 07 02:14:08 that too. can't decide if he's so clever as to confound people with his feigned lunacy, or just an outright lunatic. Oct 07 02:14:27 anyway, best I just quit that masochist channel ;-) Oct 07 02:14:42 no point in lingering on there anymore Oct 07 02:14:45 i am struggling with myself to do that Oct 07 02:14:53 i cannot even speak there, but i'm currently strangely mesmerized Oct 07 02:15:01 it just gets more incredibly worse as i watch Oct 07 02:15:04 was just waiting for feedback or active ops for a GR since err 3 weeks Oct 07 02:15:17 good luck Oct 07 02:15:23 indeed Oct 07 02:16:11 DocScrutinizer05, to qualify my previous statement, i used to be not only an #ubuntu op, but for a while, also a group contact. i remember in multiple occasions, i would ask for cloaks or things like those, and sometimes helpers, sometimes actual staffers (!), would be like "you need to tell that to your project's GC" Oct 07 02:16:32 well who do you think i am? but... unless you boast and yell about your supposed status, you're nobody, that's how it all seems to work :\ Oct 07 02:17:29 it certainly cannot be very hard for staff to, like... when they see i have an ubuntu/member/* cloak and i'm making a GC-like request... look it up whether i'm the actual GC? Oct 07 02:18:08 my last cloak requests were a matter of minutes Oct 07 02:18:41 last GR though was exactly same painstaking experience Oct 07 02:19:12 well Ubuntu cloakings weren't *so* common strangely enough, because they tended to happen in batch (when there was the meeting to approve new members), and since the Ubuntu op team was large enough to contain multiple people who were also staff, they would usually just cloak them themselves Oct 07 02:19:31 so when i did GC stuff, it was more the one-off kind of thing where someone randomly asked for a cloak change, or non-cloak business Oct 07 02:20:57 freenode staff should read their own policy and howto, particularly the part about catalysts and burnout ;-P Oct 07 02:22:01 DocScrutinizer05, i've considered the "catalyst" thing a joke for a looooong time Oct 07 02:22:13 i suspect lilo genuinely believed in that Oct 07 02:22:15 but after lilo? hmmmm Oct 07 02:22:57 DocScrutinizer05, i mean, #freenode today is certainly showing some impressive catalyst skills Oct 07 02:23:00 meh, file closed Oct 07 02:23:05 it is all about which direction you're catalyzing in ;) Oct 07 02:23:13 hehe Oct 07 02:23:17 indeed Oct 07 02:24:10 I mean I'm for sure a grumpy old fart chanop, but freenode staff... OHMYOHMY Oct 07 02:24:55 yeah well i'm grumpy (and i feel old but i strongly suspect i'm younger than you anyway :P) but these attitudes are partly what made me grumpy and fast-aging Oct 07 02:25:08 not just on freenode of course, the attitudes are everywhere :( Oct 07 02:25:19 :nod: Oct 07 02:26:47 when you didn't watch Armstrong devastating the moon surface, you're definitely younger than me ;-) Oct 07 02:29:27 DocScrutinizer05, neither of us saw it as it happened Oct 07 02:29:35 the only difference may be that you saw it 8 seconds after it happened Oct 07 02:29:38 and i, several years :P Oct 07 02:29:46 dang, getting rid of that strange thrill feels way better than watching it Oct 07 02:30:17 (9s) roundabout, yeah :-D Oct 07 02:31:03 dang, that word again. I heard it'S totally wrong for this meaning Oct 07 02:31:37 a roundabout being for kids Oct 07 02:33:51 roundtrip Oct 07 02:34:09 roundabouts are the European traffic circles that Americans hate :P Oct 07 02:44:35 I meant "about as much" ;-) prolly a Germanism or "false friend" Oct 07 02:46:40 it's sort of viral here with native German speakers trying to sound leete by using english terms Oct 07 02:47:50 in german "round" and "about" have roughly same meaning in this context **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 07 02:59:59 2017