**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 15 03:00:01 2017 Oct 15 03:04:34 Or not, something I installed made some hildon package not start. Let me see what the story is Oct 15 03:05:16 probably something mis-compiled somewhere Oct 15 03:06:43 It gets as far as the set-time menu before not displaying h-d after that Oct 15 03:18:51 I know what I did wrong and how to fix it Oct 15 03:24:06 I suspect some of the more recent clones (e.g. hildon-plugins-notify-sv) aren't as stable as I have been lead to beleive Oct 15 03:24:13 Or they didn't compile properly on my box for some reason Oct 15 03:25:38 I know what I screwed up and I know what I need to do to unscrew it Oct 15 04:03:30 Time for one final BM backup and we are done Oct 15 04:05:05 It seems like some of the recent clones by FMG (the ones that aren't in cssu-devel at this point) aren't as safe as I thought they were Oct 15 04:06:12 well actually after this BM backup is finished, I got one more thing to do, copy said BM backup off the phone to my PC for safety Oct 15 04:15:44 I just wanted to thank everyone on here for whatever help may have been given when it came to getting my phone going again. Oct 15 05:21:45 Without the great people in this community the N900 wouldn't be anywhere near as great a phone. Oct 15 19:27:45 DocScrutinizer05: are you around? Oct 15 19:28:01 yep Oct 15 19:28:10 DocScrutinizer05: Amazing -- and great Oct 15 19:28:14 long time no see Oct 15 19:28:21 Indeed Oct 15 19:28:30 I see you found a communications person Oct 15 19:28:34 how is that working out? Oct 15 19:28:52 well, come ci come ca´ Oct 15 19:29:42 I'm not sure how to interpret that :) Oct 15 19:30:02 always need more help Oct 15 19:31:13 Is that person not following through on their commitments? Oct 15 19:32:49 Anyway, I'm here primarily because -- don't freak -- I haven't flashed my N900 yet. Oct 15 19:33:17 I tried reading through the log of our last conversation on this topic where you suggested lazyflashing Oct 15 19:33:38 I haven't done this yet because I wanted to back up the phone first, and it's not really clear how that works, either. Oct 15 19:35:41 Also -- I have the phone connected as a USB mass storage device to my system right now, and I can't find Nokia N900 directory where I have my Notes files saved Oct 15 19:36:14 DocScrutinizer05: did you step away from the computer? I hear that sometimes people actually need to use the toilet. But I think that's just a rumour. Oct 15 19:38:08 USB mass storage only exports MyDocs/ but not ~user/ Oct 15 19:38:18 ~BM Oct 15 19:38:18 methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install Oct 15 19:38:34 does backup everything except MyDocs Oct 15 19:39:26 DocScrutinizer05: so I should reconnect and choose PCSuite instead? Oct 15 19:39:41 so suggested procedure: install BM, do a backup to MyDocs/backups/foobar, then copy ;yDocs to PC via mass storage Oct 15 19:40:29 alternatively do BM backups to a uSD card Oct 15 19:42:10 DocScrutinizer05: I don't get it, though, the last time I connected to the phone I was able to copy over my files, now I all I see is the DCIM directory with some photos in it Oct 15 19:42:35 DocScrutinizer05: Also... how do I get root privileges? Oct 15 19:42:46 ~rootsh Oct 15 19:42:47 methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/, or rootsh gives you "sudo gainroot", to get root privs but user environment (similar as "su"), and "root", which gives you root privs root env (similar to "su -") Oct 15 19:43:33 via Application mamager Oct 15 19:43:43 DocScrutinizer05: That's how I install things, is it? Oct 15 19:43:47 yes Oct 15 19:44:12 high level hints: Oct 15 19:44:15 ~jrtools Oct 15 19:44:15 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 15 19:49:31 DocScrutinizer05: Sorry for all the questions. Do I have to install BM via WLAN? Or can I copy it onto the phone via the USB mass storage connection? Oct 15 19:50:33 Use WLAN internet, click http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install in N900 browser Oct 15 19:51:02 in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Oct 15 19:52:38 there's an expert way to download the needed *.dpkg files and install them using dpkg -i but that's not recommended Oct 15 19:53:01 also you need root for that ;-D Oct 15 19:53:13 yeah, I'm still really confused about where stuff is and how this all works, I don't want to brick the phone Oct 15 19:53:43 err well, *maybe* not, you probably could locate the files in microB browser under file://... and click on them Oct 15 19:53:58 you cannot brick the N900 Oct 15 19:54:17 *impossible* Oct 15 19:54:41 DocScrutinizer05: Really? I read somewhere that if certain files are deleted, then it can't be charged and you can't connect or some such Oct 15 19:54:49 it looked like an ominous warning Oct 15 19:54:53 worst case you could nuke your MAC and BT MAC addr etc Oct 15 19:55:29 ok, well that's reassuring :) Oct 15 19:55:38 only if you do *very* bizarre things, for which you need root anyway ;-) Oct 15 19:55:55 Ok, I am trying to load BM and it's saying "mirror, read WARNING!) Oct 15 19:56:01 e.g. you shouldn't run nandtest Oct 15 19:56:12 ignore that Oct 15 19:56:16 what is muarf.org? Oct 15 19:56:28 a repo replacing dead Nokia Oct 15 19:56:31 ah Oct 15 19:56:51 so I can select "add" and proceed? Oct 15 19:56:54 yes Oct 15 19:57:16 I had to do it four times Oct 15 19:57:37 yeah, probably adds four new repos Oct 15 19:57:41 "Installation wird vorbereitet, bitte warten" -- crazy Oct 15 19:57:44 I see a progress bar Oct 15 19:57:53 that will take ages now Oct 15 19:58:16 then even longer without any progress bar... WAAAAIT! Oct 15 19:58:32 Ok, the progress bar is now about halfway through Oct 15 19:58:38 three quarters Oct 15 19:58:47 99 % Oct 15 19:58:55 it might take up to 15 minutes Oct 15 19:58:57 oh, it's cycling Oct 15 19:59:14 Now I just see the Application Manager main screen Oct 15 19:59:18 ~soeedyham Oct 15 19:59:23 ~speedyham Oct 15 19:59:23 hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. Oct 15 19:59:30 ~cssu Oct 15 19:59:31 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Oct 15 19:59:44 you anticipate many questions Oct 15 20:00:11 ~jrtools Oct 15 20:00:11 somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 15 20:00:33 I looked at jrtools but to be honest it was a bit cryptic to me Oct 15 20:00:36 what I want to do is Oct 15 20:00:50 HAM is finished when it shows meaningful content and not just an empty screen Oct 15 20:00:51 1. back up my phone. I have loads of short messages and contacts that I want to save. Oct 15 20:01:22 for contacts and msgs use "backup" app from applicationsmenu Oct 15 20:01:26 DocScrutinizer05: I see the App Manager main screen with "Uninstall" and "Download" and "Update". Is that meaningful content? :) Oct 15 20:01:33 yes Oct 15 20:01:56 click on "uninstall" and type "rootsh" Oct 15 20:02:09 should show up -> close the screen Oct 15 20:02:16 close HAM Oct 15 20:02:24 open xterm Oct 15 20:02:31 type "root" Oct 15 20:03:00 ok, I'm doing a backup through the native tool first Oct 15 20:03:07 good Oct 15 20:03:16 There's also my calendar, if I lose that, I'm screwed Oct 15 20:03:29 ok, backup complete, 3.5 MB saved Oct 15 20:03:44 DocScrutinizer05: How do I get the backup off the phone? Oct 15 20:04:59 it asked you where to backup to, no? Oct 15 20:05:35 DocScrutinizer05: um Oct 15 20:05:40 to... Oct 15 20:05:44 Backups Oct 15 20:05:48 whereever that is :) Oct 15 20:05:56 on eMMC Oct 15 20:06:10 DocScrutinizer05: that's internal memory? Oct 15 20:06:42 DocScrutinizer05: ok i didn't see rootsh in the installed applications Oct 15 20:07:09 hmmm Oct 15 20:07:10 DocScrutinizer05: I interrupted the BM install because I wasn't sure that I need it if I've got a backup of my communications etc. Oct 15 20:07:23 ouch Oct 15 20:07:32 DocScrutinizer05: was that a mistake? Oct 15 20:07:39 try finding rootsh in HAM "install" Oct 15 20:07:58 DocScrutinizer05: App Manager is checking updates :/ Oct 15 20:08:07 yeah Oct 15 20:08:16 DocScrutinizer05: It does that automatically, yes? Oct 15 20:08:20 yes Oct 15 20:08:32 once a week Oct 15 20:08:39 per default, iirc Oct 15 20:08:44 DocScrutinizer05: so I browse the HAM using the internal browser? Oct 15 20:08:48 adjustable Oct 15 20:09:06 no, you open HAM and click on "install" Oct 15 20:09:15 err "Download" Oct 15 20:09:20 whatever Oct 15 20:09:51 then you use kbd and type "rootsh" Oct 15 20:10:08 it starts a incremental search Oct 15 20:10:08 ah, ok -- is HAM what it's called with an English interface? Oct 15 20:10:20 Hildon application Manager Oct 15 20:10:25 Ah Oct 15 20:11:00 DocScrutinizer05: I think I have a small problem here Oct 15 20:11:18 when I select "Download" it churns and I get a blank screen Oct 15 20:11:28 takes ages Oct 15 20:11:30 waaaait Oct 15 20:11:36 ah, ok Oct 15 20:11:44 as long as I know I have to wait I'm fine waiting :) Oct 15 20:12:01 my screen blanks quickly. Will it wake up when it's done? Oct 15 20:12:07 eventually it *will* come up with icons Oct 15 20:12:13 no Oct 15 20:12:18 by "blank" I mean goes dark Oct 15 20:12:40 use slider screen or shuft key to light it up again Oct 15 20:12:51 slider key** Oct 15 20:12:57 Now it says "Program list partially updated. Some catalogs are not available. Verify catalog details." Oct 15 20:13:18 Ah, those are the old Nokia catalogs Oct 15 20:13:21 can you dismiss this dialog? Oct 15 20:13:32 Nokia Apps, Nokia system updates and Ovi Oct 15 20:13:38 yes, you should deactivate them Oct 15 20:13:45 How do I do that? Oct 15 20:13:52 not now ;-) Oct 15 20:13:56 ah, ok Oct 15 20:13:57 LOL Oct 15 20:14:09 I see a screen with a bunch of categories now Oct 15 20:14:27 Education, Office, Development, etc Oct 15 20:14:49 you eventually go to HAM's menu, select "catalogs" and click on the 3 defect ones, a new rewuester opens that has a "deactivate" button or the like Oct 15 20:15:03 click "all" Oct 15 20:15:04 right, I saw the catalogs button Oct 15 20:15:21 ok, clicked all. Oct 15 20:15:23 lots of stuff here Oct 15 20:15:28 type rootsh Oct 15 20:16:22 after "roo" you should already see it Oct 15 20:16:28 got it Oct 15 20:16:30 installing Oct 15 20:16:35 \o/ Oct 15 20:16:52 yay Oct 15 20:17:16 it is downloading 1 GB Oct 15 20:17:27 WHAT? Oct 15 20:17:32 or it seems that way at least, it is very slow Oct 15 20:17:43 sorry, 1 KB :P Oct 15 20:18:03 but the progress bar is inactive. What's up with that? Oct 15 20:18:10 Is it supposed to be this slow? Oct 15 20:18:12 ignore it Oct 15 20:18:36 installing! Oct 15 20:18:50 1 application successfully installed! Hooray! Oct 15 20:19:11 ok, so now I can get root if I need it. Oct 15 20:19:18 test it Oct 15 20:20:03 open xterm; root; id Oct 15 20:21:01 Success! Oct 15 20:21:05 good Oct 15 20:21:12 step1 accomplished Oct 15 20:21:18 disable catalogs now Oct 15 20:21:23 ok, so I was right that I need root, correct? Oct 15 20:21:53 you need root for a lot of the more funny stuff, yes Oct 15 20:21:58 ok Oct 15 20:22:10 So for the catalogs, all I have to do is select "deactive", correct? Oct 15 20:22:26 also disbale maemo-extras-devel catalog Oct 15 20:22:33 if it's enabled Oct 15 20:22:51 it says... (*DOOM!*) Oct 15 20:22:58 I'm afraid to touch it Oct 15 20:22:59 My joke Oct 15 20:23:06 phew Oct 15 20:23:07 ;-) Oct 15 20:23:27 I have to wait for HAM to update the app list Oct 15 20:23:35 This is like waiting for the bus Oct 15 20:23:43 ~speedyham Oct 15 20:23:43 well, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. Oct 15 20:23:57 so I can install speedyham now, right? Oct 15 20:24:07 you should install CSSU Oct 15 20:24:13 oh right Oct 15 20:24:18 but I should flash the phone first, no? Oct 15 20:24:24 yes Oct 15 20:24:55 ok, I disabled maemo-extras-devel catalog Oct 15 20:25:07 unless you know the phone has a working untampered system Oct 15 20:25:30 it is updating again at incredible spee- er, I mean incredible slow Oct 15 20:25:31 in which case you could go CSSU right away Oct 15 20:25:48 DocScrutinizer05: no, I have no idea whether the system is untampered Oct 15 20:25:57 then reflash Oct 15 20:25:59 DocScrutinizer05: in fact, I am a bit ashamed I waited this long to flash it Oct 15 20:26:03 ~lazyflashing Oct 15 20:26:04 from memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Oct 15 20:26:10 DocScrutinizer05: I was just too busy :/ which is a stupid excuse Oct 15 20:26:19 no, isn't Oct 15 20:26:29 ok, so all I have to do is enter that one single command, and it does the whole flash routine? Oct 15 20:26:34 What happens to my backup? Oct 15 20:26:37 yes Oct 15 20:27:16 your backup should be safe unless you flash 'all' which I don't recommend. You should copy the backup to PC via mass stoage Oct 15 20:28:01 or actually, you should do flash "all" Oct 15 20:28:17 that was also my intuition Oct 15 20:28:23 how do I get the backup to mass storage? Oct 15 20:28:29 and NEVER keep USB mass stoare attached while doing backup, or take photos or whatever Oct 15 20:28:54 DocScrutinizer05: I tried to mount the phone but it failed because the HAM was open Oct 15 20:29:19 when you can't find the backup, odds are you already had USB mass sto enabled during backup Oct 15 20:29:42 let me mount the phone again first before I guess Oct 15 20:29:47 in mass storage mode basically you must not use the phone at all Oct 15 20:30:28 umplug, reboot, do backup, plug and select "mass storage", find backup in mass stoarge Oct 15 20:30:29 DocScrutinizer05: ok Oct 15 20:30:45 I just mounted the phone and all I see is a DCIM directory and "System Volume Information" Oct 15 20:31:01 DocScrutinizer05: Ah, sorry Oct 15 20:31:06 I missed your last message Oct 15 20:31:20 unplug, reboot, do backup Oct 15 20:31:21 got it Oct 15 20:31:28 I haven't rebooted in ages Oct 15 20:32:10 mass sorage umounts the MyDocs from N900 system so it has no access to that volume anymore as long as mass sto active Oct 15 20:32:23 right Oct 15 20:32:25 makes sense Oct 15 20:32:33 even worse: the phone doesn't notice that Oct 15 20:32:34 I just held down the power button Oct 15 20:32:38 the LED went white Oct 15 20:32:43 now the phone is unresponsive Oct 15 20:32:50 I presume that means it is off Oct 15 20:32:50 waaait Oct 15 20:32:51 :) Oct 15 20:32:59 ok! Oct 15 20:33:09 it takes 20s to really shut off Oct 15 20:33:17 very cunning, this phone Oct 15 20:33:24 the press power buttin until white light all brught Oct 15 20:33:40 it does all sorts of automatic and crazy shit, as though it has a mind Oct 15 20:34:01 ok, I think that was 20 s Oct 15 20:34:02 or 40 Oct 15 20:34:04 it's a full linux system just like your PC (I hope) Oct 15 20:34:13 ;-) Oct 15 20:34:28 Linux thinkpad_T500 4.9.16-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Jul 9 16:49:15 CEST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Oct 15 20:34:35 :-D Oct 15 20:34:54 I do not use toy operating systems Oct 15 20:35:19 except at work, where I am forced to (ugh) Oct 15 20:35:45 it booted? Oct 15 20:35:52 Now I see an adult taking the hand of a small child Oct 15 20:36:00 weird Oct 15 20:36:04 krrhrrhrr Oct 15 20:36:19 ok Oct 15 20:36:23 phone booted Oct 15 20:36:35 ~dontpanic Oct 15 20:36:42 duh Oct 15 20:36:43 let me wipe the last backup and redo it Oct 15 20:36:44 nokia pedophile :p Oct 15 20:36:51 lol Oct 15 20:37:01 "come with me, I have candy" Oct 15 20:37:06 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/bootvideo-DONTPANIC/ Oct 15 20:37:41 very nice Oct 15 20:38:38 see ~jrtools how to use it Oct 15 20:39:45 sorry for shameless self-hyping Oct 15 20:39:45 rhombus: you should probably update gentoo-sources btw.. Oct 15 20:41:17 xy2_: why is that? these were still current at the last update Oct 15 20:41:38 xy2_: but they are not anymore, I just noticed Oct 15 20:41:41 :) Oct 15 20:42:07 * DocScrutinizer05 announces afk in a few minutes Oct 15 20:42:27 DocScrutinizer05: ok, hang tight, I just had to go to the door for a second Oct 15 20:42:38 Can you stick around a few minutes while I do the flash? Oct 15 20:42:44 sure Oct 15 20:42:49 if you hurry Oct 15 20:43:01 but GET YOUR BACKUP first! Oct 15 20:43:11 to your PC Oct 15 20:43:22 yes Oct 15 20:43:31 I am redoing the backup as we speak Oct 15 20:43:35 or type Oct 15 20:43:45 backup complete Oct 15 20:44:02 ok, so now mount the USB mass storage? Oct 15 20:44:35 Ah, now I can see my shit again! Oct 15 20:44:41 It pays to reboot, it appears Oct 15 20:45:31 wpa2 broken it seems, http://www.blackhat.com/eu-17/briefings/schedule/#key-reinstallation-attacks-breaking-the-wpa2-protocol-8861 Oct 15 20:45:52 it pays ti unplug USB massrage when doing stuff on phone Oct 15 20:46:14 But I wasn't doing anything on the phone when I first connected Oct 15 20:46:14 sicelo: hooray, finally¡¡ Oct 15 20:46:31 I couldn't see all the storage Oct 15 20:46:43 maybe a jiccup Oct 15 20:47:01 a jiccup, exactly what I was thinking Oct 15 20:47:17 ok, I have copied the backup over to my PC Oct 15 20:47:34 lazyflashing "all?YES" Oct 15 20:47:35 now disconnect, yes? Oct 15 20:47:40 yes Oct 15 20:47:48 *working* Oct 15 20:48:07 then run lazyflashing and follow instructions. Already shutdown phone Oct 15 20:48:19 Already shutdown phone? Oct 15 20:48:23 yes Oct 15 20:48:29 Oh, you mean I've done that step already Oct 15 20:48:41 aren't I supposed to remove the SIM? Oct 15 20:48:42 no, you should do it Oct 15 20:48:48 yes Oct 15 20:48:52 ah, you mean shutdown phone now? Oct 15 20:48:56 yes Oct 15 20:49:12 shutting down now Oct 15 20:49:18 ~lazyflashing Oct 15 20:49:19 i guess lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Oct 15 20:49:30 wait 20s, then remove SIM and battery Oct 15 20:50:17 opening this phone is an art Oct 15 20:51:20 meanwhile lazyflashing should show instructions, right? Oct 15 20:51:46 or is it still downloading? Oct 15 20:52:04 um, I haven't turned the phone back on yet Oct 15 20:52:11 had trouble getting the SIM out Oct 15 20:52:12 you don't!!! Oct 15 20:52:26 ahhh Oct 15 20:52:31 sorry, totally confused Oct 15 20:52:45 I run the lazyflashing on my PC! Oct 15 20:53:02 DocScrutinizer05: Sorry! Oct 15 20:53:09 bp :-) Oct 15 20:53:15 np even Oct 15 20:53:57 I need to change this command as I don't have sudo Oct 15 20:54:17 I use su exclusively Oct 15 20:54:27 :-) Oct 15 20:55:11 DocScrutinizer05: where is it calling sudo? Oct 15 20:55:24 in the c&p commadline Oct 15 20:55:49 sorry, blind today Oct 15 20:56:12 you can spit that up into two lines Oct 15 20:56:19 Welcome to N900 flasher tool v3.1! Oct 15 20:57:44 so I answer YES? Oct 15 20:57:48 it will proceed downloading the images Oct 15 20:58:04 if you want to flash your homedir and MyDocs too (aka eMMC flashing), answer 'YES' Oct 15 20:58:08 I want this, yes? Oct 15 20:58:09 to flashh all, you answer YES Oct 15 20:58:14 yep Oct 15 20:58:29 wait, a last question Oct 15 20:58:40 you did backup your stuiff via BM niw? Oct 15 20:58:53 uh oh: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 15 20:59:10 DocScrutinizer05: no, I didn't. Should I? I just used the native backup tool Oct 15 20:59:28 you have contacts and msgs etc via regualar backup, but you may want a complete system backup too, just in case Oct 15 20:59:54 DocScrutinizer05: ok, so I need to start the phone up again and install BM Oct 15 21:00:10 didn't you do already? Oct 15 21:00:26 install BM? Oct 15 21:00:29 yep Oct 15 21:00:48 no :/ Oct 15 21:00:54 I didn't think I needed it just now Oct 15 21:01:27 start HAM Oct 15 21:01:30 started HAM Oct 15 21:01:34 if not, then yes. start up phone, and click the link in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Oct 15 21:02:06 I'm not sure BM installs cleanly via HAM Oct 15 21:02:17 oh Oct 15 21:02:17 ok Oct 15 21:02:25 so I do it via the browser then Oct 15 21:02:34 gas dependency issues from fuckedup catalogs Oct 15 21:02:38 has* Oct 15 21:02:57 so http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Oct 15 21:03:54 you got a uSD? Oct 15 21:03:59 yes Oct 15 21:04:08 easier to save the BM file to uSD Oct 15 21:04:33 huh? Server not found error? Oct 15 21:05:38 now it works, hang on Oct 15 21:06:30 ok, I clicked BM.install and now suddenly HAM is in the foreground Oct 15 21:06:31 is that normal? Oct 15 21:06:35 meanwhile, you may want to use the manager of choice on your gentoo to find and install libusb-0.1.so Oct 15 21:06:45 32 bit!! Oct 15 21:06:58 yes Oct 15 21:07:13 DocScrutinizer05: Doesn't lazyflasher include a library? Oct 15 21:07:22 DocScrutinizer05: There's a libusb lib in the directory Oct 15 21:07:40 it does, but might not work ion your system. It's a *really nasty* bitch Oct 15 21:07:45 botch too Oct 15 21:07:50 :/ Oct 15 21:08:09 you may try, but no guarantee Oct 15 21:08:19 defer it! Oct 15 21:08:29 err postpone Oct 15 21:08:37 postpone? Oct 15 21:08:42 later Oct 15 21:08:51 maybe it works Oct 15 21:09:00 the libusb update, you mean? Oct 15 21:09:04 yes Oct 15 21:09:12 ah, ok Oct 15 21:09:32 BM is downloading Oct 15 21:09:37 good Oct 15 21:09:44 "installing" Oct 15 21:09:54 A zillion WARNING!s Oct 15 21:09:58 if it installed, you reboot the phone with kbd slider opened Oct 15 21:09:59 YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Oct 15 21:10:08 ignore and nod off Oct 15 21:10:28 ooh, set new root password Oct 15 21:10:35 I didn't know I had an old root password Oct 15 21:11:19 is it asking me for the system root password? Oct 15 21:11:32 what has that got to do with BM? Oct 15 21:11:33 yes Oct 15 21:11:39 nfc Oct 15 21:11:59 prolly installs sshd Oct 15 21:12:30 now I see a giant README Oct 15 21:12:35 BM has a virtual machine of sorts, with useful tools like ssh and whatnot Oct 15 21:13:08 it's way more than just a backup tool Oct 15 21:13:09 ok, so I turned off the phone Oct 15 21:13:11 slider is open Oct 15 21:13:16 now I wait 20-30 s Oct 15 21:13:19 and restart Oct 15 21:13:20 yes Oct 15 21:13:21 with slider open Oct 15 21:13:45 "Loading BOOT MENU" Oct 15 21:13:47 wow Oct 15 21:13:52 totally retro Oct 15 21:14:04 this is like the screen on a 286 Oct 15 21:14:17 it actually is, also technically Oct 15 21:14:54 really!? Oct 15 21:15:01 save all to uSD, no compression Oct 15 21:15:24 so now I choose option b, right? "Create a backup" Oct 15 21:15:32 yes, it writes to framebuffer char by char using a tool to draw chars there Oct 15 21:15:43 yes, sounds good Oct 15 21:16:18 you might want to attach USB charger if at hand Oct 15 21:16:20 what? it doesn't see my µSD! Oct 15 21:16:27 that's weird Oct 15 21:16:39 m) Backup to internal eMMC, MyDocs Oct 15 21:16:40 you closed battery lif? Oct 15 21:16:48 ah... no :( Oct 15 21:16:49 lod* Oct 15 21:16:54 damn!!!! Oct 15 21:16:59 LID Oct 15 21:17:27 does that matter? Oct 15 21:17:33 sire :-) Oct 15 21:17:47 uSd gets umounted on battery lid open Oct 15 21:18:05 close lid and reboot Oct 15 21:18:25 sorry, afaik no way to restart bootmenu Oct 15 21:18:41 you may try though if you find a key for it Oct 15 21:18:42 and here I thought I was being clever Oct 15 21:19:49 N900 has lots of "funny" surprising details like that Oct 15 21:19:56 it can reboot though (BM) Oct 15 21:20:07 :-) Oct 15 21:20:13 I rebooted Oct 15 21:20:15 it was very fast Oct 15 21:20:22 I noticed the arrow keys are backwards Oct 15 21:20:28 ok, I... Oct 15 21:20:31 I think I did the backup Oct 15 21:20:33 is it that fast? Oct 15 21:20:36 no Oct 15 21:20:43 I just pressed s, and now I have the same screen again Oct 15 21:21:03 ah, ok Oct 15 21:21:05 now it's running Oct 15 21:21:11 Guys, this is amazing Oct 15 21:21:24 this will take a while Oct 15 21:21:27 I got this phone for 35 euros and I'm really starting to love it Oct 15 21:21:33 iir ca 10 minutes Oct 15 21:21:42 :( Oct 15 21:21:50 you probably want to go to bed Oct 15 21:22:05 hah, I wish I could Oct 15 21:23:13 meanwhile, test lazyflashing: run flash-it-all.sh Oct 15 21:23:26 I ran it Oct 15 21:23:31 it will tell you if the lob works or not Oct 15 21:23:37 lib Oct 15 21:23:57 verbatim Oct 15 21:24:25 hang on, I'll pastebin the output Oct 15 21:24:56 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/flash-it-all.sh Oct 15 21:25:16 dang, old crap Oct 15 21:25:26 https://pastebin.ca/3888082 Oct 15 21:25:44 backup completed successfully Oct 15 21:25:49 yay Oct 15 21:25:53 now what? Oct 15 21:26:09 * rhombus is a question machine Oct 15 21:26:24 this is fine Oct 15 21:26:39 Do I reboot the phone normally now? Oct 15 21:27:08 now you wait until your backup finished, then you ... follow the instructions Oct 15 21:27:29 which ones? In backup menu? Oct 15 21:27:31 >> please remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing... << Oct 15 21:27:38 Oh, those Oct 15 21:28:29 ok, so the output I pastebinned looked ok? Oct 15 21:29:00 Is it safe to just try this? The phone is off, I've removed the battery, and the USB cable is connected Oct 15 21:29:40 There are errors like: modprobe: FATAL: Module cdc_phonet not found. Oct 15 21:29:57 checksum errors... Oct 15 21:31:43 DocScrutinizer05: Ok, I set LANG=C and the integrity checks succeeded Oct 15 21:32:24 ignore all that, the pasted log is 100% fine Oct 15 21:32:50 #38 image files found and checked OK for integrity. Oct 15 21:33:41 #17 no local file RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or checksum incorrect. Trying to fetch... Oct 15 21:33:56 #20 resuming... Oct 15 21:34:15 #23 RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: OK Oct 15 21:34:27 ah, ok Oct 15 21:34:42 So now I just insert the battery Oct 15 21:34:54 yes, after plugging it to USB Oct 15 21:35:28 shit is happening Oct 15 21:36:07 Erasing CMT - scary Oct 15 21:36:46 Programming CMT - hopeful Oct 15 21:36:56 It may seem scary but its perfectly safe Oct 15 21:37:12 I did a flash yesterday on my own N900 and it worked just fine Oct 15 21:37:39 * DocScrutinizer05 is rather fond of lazyflashing ;-P Oct 15 21:37:40 Image(s) flashed successfully in 29.262 s (8746 kB/s)! Oct 15 21:37:46 HOORAY Oct 15 21:38:40 initializing system Oct 15 21:38:48 actually almost proud of it Oct 15 21:38:49 yellow LED Oct 15 21:39:06 follow the instructions ;-) Oct 15 21:39:24 so far only Blinkenlights Oct 15 21:39:37 Its pretty much impossible to kill a N900 through software alone Oct 15 21:39:38 My phone has turned into KITT Oct 15 21:39:51 jonwil: sounds like smart design to me Oct 15 21:39:56 If its doing the scrolling dots, that's a good thing Oct 15 21:40:03 Music! Oct 15 21:40:09 And the pedophile is back! Oct 15 21:40:15 Yeah it should play the Nokia hands animation Oct 15 21:40:37 "Knight Rider" Oct 15 21:41:00 ok, now proceed as tersely listed in first few lines of ~jrtools Oct 15 21:41:18 just first let it boot all the way to desktop Oct 15 21:41:19 whoops, I pressed First Steps Oct 15 21:41:26 :/ Oct 15 21:41:31 ~jrtools Oct 15 21:41:31 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 15 21:42:26 DocScrutinizer05: So now I open the internal browser and go to the recommended.install URL? Oct 15 21:42:46 yes Oct 15 21:43:22 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Oct 15 21:43:54 in CSSU first thing recommended is to install VM (again :-D ) Oct 15 21:43:59 BM* Oct 15 21:44:17 right Oct 15 21:44:51 don't do "Additional Repositories" for now! Oct 15 21:44:56 ok Oct 15 21:45:16 ok, it's starting HAM Oct 15 21:46:01 I fat fingered stop, but I don't think it took Oct 15 21:46:22 how do I know it worked? Oct 15 21:46:29 check catalogs Oct 15 21:46:30 I see the HAM main screen again Oct 15 21:46:34 what should I see? Oct 15 21:47:04 disable the Nokia & OVI broken ones Oct 15 21:47:09 I'm trying again Oct 15 21:47:20 check that replacements (muarf) are in place Oct 15 21:47:25 ok Oct 15 21:47:39 delete duplicate catalogs Oct 15 21:48:07 ok, no duplicates Oct 15 21:48:13 old Nokia cats deactivated Oct 15 21:48:46 run "update catalogs" OWTTE from menu Oct 15 21:49:10 though it should do that automatically as soon as you leave the catalogs dialog Oct 15 21:49:27 yes Oct 15 21:49:42 This CSSU install seems more involved, do I have to do this now? Oct 15 21:49:49 yes Oct 15 21:50:11 and it's not really involved, just exact instructions Oct 15 21:50:21 actually it's just two clicks Oct 15 21:50:33 pus BM install Oct 15 21:50:35 ok Oct 15 21:50:38 I'm installing BM again Oct 15 21:51:46 "installation being prepared. please wait" Oct 15 21:52:03 btw thanks for testing and verifying libusb botch working on gentoo :-D Oct 15 21:52:16 No worries :P Oct 15 21:53:11 gave me quite a few headaches pondering if I really should try such terrible hack at all Oct 15 21:53:29 but hey, seems to work Oct 15 21:54:05 in CSSU don't miss on the second step! Oct 15 21:54:10 this seems slower than the last time Oct 15 21:54:20 I'm still installing BM Oct 15 21:54:27 it's clearly explained in instructions, just follow those verbatim Oct 15 21:54:43 ok Oct 15 21:54:51 ok, progress bar movement Oct 15 21:55:29 I suggest CSSU-testing Oct 15 21:55:58 is that a catalog? Oct 15 21:56:03 or a version of CSSU? Oct 15 21:56:12 oh, I get it Oct 15 21:56:13 sorry Oct 15 21:56:19 no, one of two obe-click options on CSSU webpage Oct 15 21:56:21 ok, BM installed Oct 15 21:56:30 do I have to do another backup now? Oct 15 21:56:37 not really Oct 15 21:56:43 what a relief Oct 15 21:57:22 you should do a backup after you restored the standard backup and rootsh etc Oct 15 21:58:44 reflashing rootfs and installing BM then restoring a backup is way easier than the whole repo fixing and rootsh installation and whatnot else Oct 15 21:59:03 in case you need it to recover a fsckup device Oct 15 21:59:07 ok Oct 15 21:59:10 right Oct 15 21:59:22 will my GPS work after all this is done? Oct 15 21:59:29 should Oct 15 21:59:48 particularly when you insert a SIM, which helps a lot with GPS Oct 15 22:00:12 Why is that? Oct 15 22:00:16 ~gsm-agps Oct 15 22:00:17 RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP Oct 15 22:00:36 ah, right, I'd heard about that Oct 15 22:00:40 and Oct 15 22:00:42 but that's not really GPS :) Oct 15 22:00:47 ~u-tdoa Oct 15 22:00:47 rumour has it, u-tdoa is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA Oct 15 22:01:37 DocScrutinizer05: ok, where is the Community SSU icon? Oct 15 22:01:57 well, part of RRLP is a control layer service similar to SUPL Oct 15 22:02:24 rhombus: hm? Oct 15 22:02:38 for CSSU step2 or for starting CSSU? Oct 15 22:02:38 Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. Oct 15 22:02:48 Step 7 :) Oct 15 22:02:56 yeah 2 aja 7 Oct 15 22:03:41 Is the app menu where all the apps are? :) Oct 15 22:03:49 I don't see a Community SSU icon Oct 15 22:04:06 it should be there in applications menu. *sometimes* the system doesn't update the menu, then ist's probably easiest to reboot. Though... I didn't do CSSU install since ages, so maybe we should ask Pali Oct 15 22:04:44 Pali: does CSSU now autstart "step 7: Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. "? Oct 15 22:05:18 rhombus: you're aware you can scroll the app menu? Oct 15 22:05:38 CSSU should do it, but do not know if stable, testing or only devel Oct 15 22:05:44 yes Oct 15 22:06:00 Pali: so we urgentrly need to fix the instructions Oct 15 22:06:03 no? Oct 15 22:06:31 So should I reboot? Oct 15 22:06:37 wait Oct 15 22:06:59 actually I'm at the limit of my solid knowledge here Oct 15 22:07:25 Pali: how would user check if step-7 got accomlished? Oct 15 22:08:28 rhombus: did HAM install a lot of package updates already? Oct 15 22:08:56 Didn't seem like it Oct 15 22:09:04 DocScrutinizer05: how can I check? Oct 15 22:09:12 You can check in settings app Oct 15 22:09:30 If CSSU is installed there will be a new icon for "about CSSU" Oct 15 22:09:33 or something similar Oct 15 22:09:42 DocScrutinizer05: 7. Once this is completed, close HAM and you should see in few seconds new terminal window. If not tap the Community SSU icon in the application menu. In terminal window will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. Oct 15 22:09:43 Don't have my N900 next to me to check exactly what its called Oct 15 22:10:11 jonwil: nope, don't see it. In which section would it be? Oct 15 22:10:28 Sounds like you dont have CSSU yet Oct 15 22:10:32 and need to go open the icon Oct 15 22:10:33 Pali: DocScrutinizer05 ok, the clearly something didn't work here Oct 15 22:10:40 Pali: sounds good Oct 15 22:10:44 jonwil: there is no icon Oct 15 22:10:46 anywhere Oct 15 22:11:00 No "Community SSU Enabler" icon in app list? Oct 15 22:11:06 even when you scroll down? Oct 15 22:11:09 That seems strange Oct 15 22:11:11 jonwil: no Oct 15 22:11:20 do you have installed needed package? Oct 15 22:11:27 that cssu enabler package Oct 15 22:11:27 Pali: ^^^ - reboot? Oct 15 22:11:49 I followed Step 5 in the instructions, HAM started, it did some stuff, then it was done and I closed HAM as per the instructions Oct 15 22:11:50 Pali: he followed instructions on CSSU Oct 15 22:11:57 reboot is needed after everything is installed, reboot is not needed between 6 and 7 step Oct 15 22:12:03 rhombus: Do you see a yellow exclamation mark in the status menu at the top of the screen? Oct 15 22:12:21 so try reboot and then open HAM and check for updates Oct 15 22:12:26 ... and wait and wait Oct 15 22:12:32 sometimes also wait for 20 minutes... Oct 15 22:12:48 until update check for update procedure finish Oct 15 22:12:50 we already established that :-) Oct 15 22:13:05 will change with speedyham :-) Oct 15 22:13:11 Is this something I can proceed with tomorrow? Oct 15 22:13:28 I'd rather suggest to finish it now Oct 15 22:13:32 jonwil: no, no yellow exclamation mark Oct 15 22:13:38 Ok. Oct 15 22:13:41 it's a very messy state right now Oct 15 22:13:46 DocScrutinizer05: 20 min is a long time Oct 15 22:13:47 ok Oct 15 22:13:59 it didn't take 20 min for you Oct 15 22:14:13 it's just the catalog updates Oct 15 22:14:15 in HAM Oct 15 22:14:30 rebooting Oct 15 22:15:30 Pali: my guess is: it tried automatic step7, failed, and thus didn't run postinst that has hildon-appicons-update or whatever the name Oct 15 22:15:48 then there must be icon in menu Oct 15 22:16:25 yes, after hildon home(?) updated its cache Oct 15 22:16:27 icon in menu is missing only if: 1) enabler package is not installed or 2) cssu metapackage is installed (correctly with all dependences) Oct 15 22:16:55 if 1) is truth, then install CSSU again via wiki page Oct 15 22:16:57 there's that friggin cacje, so what you see isn't always what's installed Oct 15 22:17:22 if 2) is truth then in settings dialog in about cssu must be cssu version string Oct 15 22:17:35 ok, rebooted, started HAM and checking for updates Oct 15 22:17:55 check for CSSU enabler icon! Oct 15 22:18:04 DocScrutinizer05: where? Oct 15 22:18:08 in menu Oct 15 22:18:09 in app menu Oct 15 22:18:17 I did, there was nothing there Oct 15 22:18:23 FFS Oct 15 22:18:34 somebody fucked up CSSU enabler Oct 15 22:19:13 "No updates available" Oct 15 22:19:18 Pali: ^^^ how to fix that now? Oct 15 22:19:20 install CSSU again Oct 15 22:19:25 via wiki page Oct 15 22:19:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Oct 15 22:19:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1536914#post1536914 Oct 15 22:20:25 jonwil: unrelated, no? Oct 15 22:20:35 What do you mean unrelated? Oct 15 22:21:14 now the wiki page won't load Oct 15 22:21:19 is this helping rhombus to get CSSU installed Oct 15 22:21:22 No Oct 15 22:21:56 rhombus: loads fine gere Oct 15 22:22:06 It loads fine on my PC, it does not load on my N900 Oct 15 22:22:17 and I have an active WLAN connection Oct 15 22:22:19 here* - I hope it's not a problem with maemo system Oct 15 22:22:33 sometimes browser stuck Oct 15 22:22:42 close and open it again Oct 15 22:22:53 or maybe wifi connection is a problem? Oct 15 22:22:54 rhombus: do other arbitrary sites load? Oct 15 22:23:17 n900 has only 2.4GHz b/g wifi Oct 15 22:23:20 closing the browser Oct 15 22:23:30 restarted browser -- now it loads Oct 15 22:23:37 man, this is flaky Oct 15 22:23:37 but today is more common 2.4GHz n or 5GHz Oct 15 22:23:37 k Oct 15 22:24:14 rhombus: you're unmidst a massive system reconfiguration Oct 15 22:24:15 went to testing link, HAM is starting Oct 15 22:24:23 so sometimes is hard to debug problems with wifi, which is working fine on 802.11n or 5GHz, but on on 802.11g on 2.4GHz Oct 15 22:24:23 progress bar "preparing installation" Oct 15 22:24:51 ... it did the same thing Oct 15 22:24:59 what exactly? Oct 15 22:25:11 zoomed through three progress bars, now I see the HAM main screen and nothing is happening Oct 15 22:25:17 wait Oct 15 22:25:38 ham is sometimes slow and need to wait 5 minutes Oct 15 22:25:48 once you clicked on install icon on WIKI page Oct 15 22:26:04 you should get info from HAM that you are going to install 3rd package Oct 15 22:26:14 Pali: but it's not doing anything anymore... it shows me the main screen and is doing nothing Oct 15 22:26:14 and you need to click on some accept button Oct 15 22:26:19 no and no Oct 15 22:26:31 There is no accept button, no query screen, nothing Oct 15 22:26:36 just the standard three HAM icons Oct 15 22:26:38 so wait in ham screen Oct 15 22:26:42 ok Oct 15 22:26:49 it is doing some background task Oct 15 22:27:03 we *need* ntifications there Oct 15 22:27:09 I saw ham very slow and once I waited 20 minutes Oct 15 22:27:12 DocScrutinizer05: it would be helpful Oct 15 22:27:24 DocScrutinizer05: we can deliver update for HAM just in CSSU Oct 15 22:27:37 so notification there would be after installing CSSU... Oct 15 22:27:40 but that is too late Oct 15 22:27:40 nah, wrap them around HAM Oct 15 22:27:42 If there's no feedback, how is the user supposed to know whether the process is done or not? Oct 15 22:27:55 blame Nokia :-( Oct 15 22:28:06 ok -- finally! Now I get the install screen! Oct 15 22:28:08 open the notifier before starting HAM Oct 15 22:28:14 freemangordon, already fixed that slow HAM... and update is part of CSSU Oct 15 22:28:32 1 program successfully installed Oct 15 22:28:39 GOOD! Oct 15 22:28:44 checking updates Oct 15 22:28:49 wait Oct 15 22:29:16 So yeah we need to figure out who has access to CSSU-devel and CSSU-testing and figure out a way forward (I can do the work to upload things for it but we need whoever has all the needed access to make decisions about what should happen) Oct 15 22:29:30 wait until HAM finished everything and after that close it Oct 15 22:29:32 I have no idea who has access to CSSU-devel and CSSU-testing Oct 15 22:29:45 jonwil: that is question for merlin1991 Oct 15 22:29:59 Ok. Oct 15 22:30:27 he is admin of cssu Oct 15 22:30:36 and iirc has all rights for cssu repos Oct 15 22:30:51 yes Oct 15 22:32:13 ok, now I see the HAM main screen AND I have a flashing yellow exclamation mark in the status bar Oct 15 22:32:29 Can I close HAM now? Oct 15 22:32:41 Pali: ^^^ Oct 15 22:32:55 rhombus: chack app menu Oct 15 22:33:02 don't close HAM Oct 15 22:33:04 yet Oct 15 22:33:10 check if you have cssu icon in menu Oct 15 22:33:17 Yes, I see it Oct 15 22:33:22 if you have it, then close HAm and open that icon Oct 15 22:33:22 :-D Oct 15 22:33:34 What's the yellow exclamation mark about? Oct 15 22:33:41 pending update Oct 15 22:33:50 :-) Oct 15 22:34:14 Opened enabler Oct 15 22:34:18 shit is now happening Oct 15 22:34:25 holy shit Oct 15 22:34:28 serious shit Oct 15 22:34:32 lots of shit Oct 15 22:34:54 aka "The Real Thing" :-) Oct 15 22:34:55 and now it's waiting for headers, oh my god! Oct 15 22:35:12 it is just normal apt-get update Oct 15 22:35:14 94%... come on come on come on come on Oct 15 22:35:22 you have not seen debian yet? Oct 15 22:35:37 what is this apt-get Oct 15 22:35:47 I last tried Debian in 1999 Oct 15 22:35:50 the real installer Oct 15 22:35:52 that was enough Oct 15 22:35:55 ~apt Oct 15 22:35:55 extra, extra, read all about it, apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla Oct 15 22:36:01 ~apt-get Oct 15 22:36:01 rumour has it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me ... Oct 15 22:36:20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(Debian) Oct 15 22:36:31 sorry, for a Gentoo user for 15 years, that rings hollow Oct 15 22:36:38 more shit is happening Oct 15 22:36:50 HAM is loading again Oct 15 22:37:08 good Oct 15 22:37:15 yes, HAM is now started again and would update rest of system Oct 15 22:37:17 churning Oct 15 22:37:32 And this will take 47 min, I take it? Oct 15 22:37:46 so just wait until it show you screen for installing/updating packages Oct 15 22:37:58 How long it takes depends on (among other things) the download time to download everything it needs to pull Oct 15 22:38:16 wich in turn depends on your internet Oct 15 22:38:39 and number of all packages in all Maemo repositories... Oct 15 22:38:40 is it safe to plug the phone in to charge it? The battery is very low Oct 15 22:38:46 yes Oct 15 22:38:50 plug charger Oct 15 22:38:52 absolutely Oct 15 22:38:58 Yes its safe to plug it into the wall charger while its flashing Oct 15 22:39:03 I mean updating Oct 15 22:39:04 not flashing Oct 15 22:39:10 WALL CHARGER, not PC Oct 15 22:39:19 it is *unsafe* to not use charger when updating :-) Oct 15 22:39:54 now all actions are done via HAM Oct 15 22:40:02 Ok, now I see a screen with a package list and a button "Update all" Oct 15 22:40:13 yes, update all Oct 15 22:40:19 I hope you do not need me anymore, so I'm going offline Oct 15 22:40:20 bye Oct 15 22:40:31 Pali: ta & n8 Oct 15 22:40:44 Pali: thank you Oct 15 22:40:55 Pali: I also hope I do not need you anymore :) Oct 15 22:42:04 we really should clone this pal Oct 15 22:42:10 ;-D Oct 15 22:45:36 rhombus: once HAM is done (you prolly can leav device on charger over night) you should check cataligs once more, making sure there are no duplicates and no maemo-devel or -testing enabled, then do another BM backup and start having fun, maybe by restoring your backup of contacts etc Oct 15 22:46:18 ok... so this can run overnight? Oct 15 22:46:23 yep Oct 15 22:46:38 I'd think so. Make sure it's charging Oct 15 22:47:10 I.E look at the system try battery icon if it's animated Oct 15 22:47:38 tray* Oct 15 22:47:54 it did notify me it was charging when I plugged it in Oct 15 22:48:02 good Oct 15 22:48:16 Thank you for your help Jörg Oct 15 22:48:29 locking scren with side slider switch you should see amber flashing LED Oct 15 22:48:49 Yes, I see that Oct 15 22:49:06 That turned out to be quite a bit less simple than it appeared, I don't think that would have gone very well if I had tried it alone Oct 15 22:49:18 It certainly would have taken about five times as long Oct 15 22:49:46 so tomorrow you will find a charged battery (green LED) and either HAM finished update or it opened a requester with warning to nod off Oct 15 22:51:42 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads over to TV Oct 15 22:53:22 Thanks Oct 15 22:53:26 again Oct 15 22:55:46 one last generic advice for today: *always* do a backup before doing any restory of old backups, so you don't overwrite valuable data by restoring the backup Oct 15 22:56:01 restore* Oct 15 22:57:06 ok Oct 15 22:57:19 DocScrutinizer05: I'm not sure how you mean that Oct 15 22:58:20 immediately before doing a restore, make a new backup of the old (possibly broken or incomplete) state of your system Oct 15 22:58:35 just in case? Oct 15 22:58:39 yes Oct 15 22:58:52 (I notice the clock has stopped -- is that expected behaviour?) Oct 15 22:59:16 The update list has cleared and the progress bar is full Oct 15 22:59:18 umm, not really Oct 15 22:59:35 Device is being restarted Oct 15 22:59:40 A tone! Oct 15 22:59:54 clock might stop until some event happens that tells clock that somebody is looking at it Oct 15 23:00:00 Right Oct 15 23:00:05 Vibration Oct 15 23:00:09 Nokia logo... Oct 15 23:00:35 no audio? Oct 15 23:00:39 "Knight Rider - A shadowy flight into the world of a man... who does not exist" Oct 15 23:00:43 Ok Oct 15 23:00:47 Clock works again Oct 15 23:00:50 Desktop Oct 15 23:00:57 "Operating system updated successfully" Oct 15 23:01:07 ;-D Oct 15 23:01:15 Sorry, my question of the night Oct 15 23:01:17 Now what? Oct 15 23:01:30 Catalog check in HAM? Oct 15 23:01:38 yes, then backup Oct 15 23:01:47 with BM Oct 15 23:01:51 wait, then rootsh Oct 15 23:02:17 no duplicate catalog Oct 15 23:02:23 then BM backup Oct 15 23:02:24 Install rootsh first, then backup Oct 15 23:03:07 yes, and maybe you also want to install sshd? Oct 15 23:03:53 I couldn't live without logging in to system via WiFi&ssh Oct 15 23:04:18 Sure, why not Oct 15 23:04:32 HAM ->openssh iirc Oct 15 23:04:34 Installing BM does that automatically though Oct 15 23:04:43 as a dependency Oct 15 23:04:45 no, only for BM VM Oct 15 23:04:58 aiui Oct 15 23:05:05 not sure Oct 15 23:05:34 if it's already installed then you won't find it in HAM "install" / "all" Oct 15 23:05:38 installing OpenSSH client and server Oct 15 23:06:36 I also install bash right away, can't stand that messybox Oct 15 23:07:12 also you want to take care of "cherry", see ~jrtools Oct 15 23:07:30 yeah, I saw that, but didn't understand what it was about Oct 15 23:07:33 I have to delete file? Oct 15 23:07:55 it's about a compulsory SMS the system sends to Nokia Oct 15 23:07:56 what is the difference between bash4 and bash4-opt? Oct 15 23:08:07 bfc Oct 15 23:08:12 no* Oct 15 23:08:26 ~pkgs Oct 15 23:08:26 #maemo pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 15 23:09:01 oooh, optified http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash4-opt/ Oct 15 23:09:11 ~optification Oct 15 23:09:12 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Oct 15 23:09:45 so I want this, yes? Oct 15 23:09:49 yes Oct 15 23:10:17 though i never bothered, my root still has a plenty 30 or 40MB free Oct 15 23:10:41 ok, bash4-opt, openssh client and server, and rootsh are installed. Now I do the backup with BM Oct 15 23:10:51 :-) Oct 15 23:11:09 I suggest to write it to uSD Oct 15 23:11:16 right, as I did the last time Oct 15 23:11:17 this is considered safe Oct 15 23:11:33 you can't reflash uSD Oct 15 23:11:39 ok Oct 15 23:12:02 whoops, the phone spontaneously restarted after I shut it off Oct 15 23:12:24 hah, you were busy and pressed button twice Oct 15 23:12:50 or it had a hiccup, happens sometimes Oct 15 23:12:53 Well, not intentionally Oct 15 23:13:03 or you have charger plugged in :-D Oct 15 23:13:06 yes Oct 15 23:13:14 ok, now it is "off", I think Oct 15 23:13:26 should I do this backup without the charger connected? Oct 15 23:13:37 doesn't mater really Oct 15 23:13:49 I'd recommend to keep it charging Oct 15 23:14:36 also iirc BM screen backlight is brighter when on charger Oct 15 23:14:53 in the normal version, I patched mine Oct 15 23:15:32 * DocScrutinizer05 is old and needs bright screen always Oct 15 23:15:52 ha Oct 15 23:15:54 so do I Oct 15 23:16:55 whoops, forgot to install BM Oct 15 23:17:01 ? Oct 15 23:17:31 don't know Oct 15 23:17:36 :-D Oct 15 23:17:51 ~bm Oct 15 23:17:52 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install Oct 15 23:18:06 check catalogs after doing so Oct 15 23:18:11 Oh right, I have to install it with the URL Oct 15 23:18:21 make sure you booted with slider open though Oct 15 23:18:43 might just not have noticed the open slider Oct 15 23:18:43 I did, it didn't work Oct 15 23:18:52 wait a second Oct 15 23:19:39 IroN900:~# ls -la /boo* Oct 15 23:19:41 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16648 2015-06-27 13:05 /bootmenu.sh Oct 15 23:20:05 you don't have that when BM not installed Oct 15 23:20:32 I'm installing it now Oct 15 23:20:42 I must have missed that step Oct 15 23:21:48 don't miss checking your catalogs after installing BM,it enables a few nasty ones Oct 15 23:22:13 or at least duoblettes Oct 15 23:22:47 and *each* catalog takes its time (minutes) in HAM ipdate Oct 15 23:23:19 maemo-devel even can break your system when running "update all" in HAM while it's enabled Oct 15 23:23:38 WARNING WARNING ============ WARNING etc. Oct 15 23:24:05 sure, much of that is from I2Ctools package and genuine upstream Oct 15 23:24:26 we didn't remove those warnings Oct 15 23:24:51 though they might not really apply to N900 Oct 15 23:25:37 ok, in BM Oct 15 23:26:14 backing up Oct 15 23:26:38 does it give an ETA? Oct 15 23:27:09 ooh, and is your clock correct? it's not mandatory but useful especially in backups Oct 15 23:27:36 It was off by about 12 min (fast) Oct 15 23:27:58 that doesn't matter :-) (except for GPS) Oct 15 23:28:17 RootFS backup complete Oct 15 23:28:21 yes, sonds weird but verified Oct 15 23:29:41 OPTfs how much? Oct 15 23:30:07 done Oct 15 23:30:10 wow Oct 15 23:30:14 fast Oct 15 23:30:29 I don't have much stuff Oct 15 23:30:35 right Oct 15 23:30:39 wouldn't that explain it? Oct 15 23:30:42 yes Oct 15 23:30:44 ok Oct 15 23:30:46 so Oct 15 23:30:58 restore contacts et al Oct 15 23:30:59 now I can reboot and restore my contacts, right? Oct 15 23:31:04 hehe Oct 15 23:31:05 :-) Oct 15 23:31:44 here comes the pedo again Oct 15 23:31:57 Desktop Oct 15 23:31:58 pedo? aaah Oct 15 23:32:35 hehe get DONTPANIC! and again, no sound with shakehands videio? Oct 15 23:32:59 that would be slightly worrisome Oct 15 23:33:05 no, there was sound Oct 15 23:33:11 aah ok Oct 15 23:33:18 How do I get my backup back onto the phone? Oct 15 23:33:31 backup app: restore Oct 15 23:33:53 but the backup is gone from the phone Oct 15 23:34:31 hmm, I use konqueror and sftp://IroN900 for that Oct 15 23:34:52 you may use scp or... ass rage mode Oct 15 23:35:08 can't I just copy the folder onto my Nokia N900 mount? Oct 15 23:35:11 or your uSD Oct 15 23:36:11 man, I hope my Notes got backed up! Oct 15 23:36:54 oh no Oct 15 23:37:06 sure, you can plug it into PC USB, enable assrage, copy file to destination it been before (the destination you also find your backup you will just have done according to my recommendation), then UNPLUG USB(!!!) to stop assrage and make volume available to system again, then restore Oct 15 23:37:42 ok Oct 15 23:38:05 or worst case you find all the data in BM's tarball you did as vackup before you reflashed Oct 15 23:38:12 right Oct 15 23:38:17 phew Oct 15 23:39:09 the program list is part of the backup Oct 15 23:39:14 I don't want to restore that, do I? Oct 15 23:39:20 it's in *opt*.tgz in (/home)/user/...* Oct 15 23:39:28 right Oct 15 23:39:32 no, you don't Oct 15 23:39:50 and settings? Oct 15 23:40:18 well, you might want to restore them, or not. Depends on ,,, what you want Oct 15 23:40:54 they include stuff like system name, WLAN settings etc iirc Oct 15 23:41:07 Oh -- okay, I want those Oct 15 23:41:34 restoring Oct 15 23:41:34 did you do a backup first? Oct 15 23:41:55 but I just did a backup Oct 15 23:42:05 how many backups do i have to do? Oct 15 23:42:12 ok, since the restore will nuke recent stuff Oct 15 23:42:37 I haven't done anything except install packages, and after that I did a backup with BM Oct 15 23:42:50 I interrupted the restore now Oct 15 23:43:00 B; != hildon backup Oct 15 23:43:04 BM* Oct 15 23:43:29 yeah, but why do I need to do a Hildon backup on a system that is empty? I don't get it Oct 15 23:43:59 it's possible but comlicated to extract just settings, or just contacts from a BM backup Oct 15 23:44:22 But... the phone was just flashed Oct 15 23:44:28 there was nothing on it Oct 15 23:44:29 just for good measure, since it's always done that way ;-) Oct 15 23:44:41 ok Oct 15 23:45:11 ok, well, this time it's just superfluous Oct 15 23:45:26 I'm doing another restore, the interruption meant the settings were lost Oct 15 23:45:46 e.g. I assume you already got a new WLAN config, that might not be identical (though you prolly know it is) to the one in backup Oct 15 23:46:01 it should be the same Oct 15 23:46:18 but I also had other WLAN configs (work, etc.) that I would like to get back Oct 15 23:46:25 not sure about root passwords, they are most likely not even saved Oct 15 23:46:42 ok, the settings worked, the phone is silent Oct 15 23:46:48 and my contacts are back Oct 15 23:46:53 sire, go ahead. Just keep it in mind Oct 15 23:47:10 sure* Oct 15 23:47:21 and all my messages Oct 15 23:47:29 next time you might want to do a backup first ;-) Oct 15 23:47:40 my notes are gone though Oct 15 23:47:52 notes? Oct 15 23:48:00 The N900 notes app Oct 15 23:48:07 is it installed? Oct 15 23:48:10 yes Oct 15 23:48:16 hmm, weird Oct 15 23:48:23 it's a stock app, no? Oct 15 23:48:44 the notes are saved in the documents directory though, I don't think the Hildon backup tool saves that (which is stupid if you ask me) Oct 15 23:48:58 prolly Oct 15 23:49:23 ok, I will have to get them from the BM backup Oct 15 23:49:28 but that can wait until tomorrow Oct 15 23:49:41 BM is a plain tarball Oct 15 23:49:48 but I want to do one more thing and test the GPS Oct 15 23:50:02 fix cherry first Oct 15 23:50:09 oh right Oct 15 23:50:10 it's a oneliner Oct 15 23:50:24 ~jrtools Oct 15 23:50:25 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 15 23:50:44 touch /home/user/.cherry_state Oct 15 23:51:22 saves you a SMS fee if nothing else Oct 15 23:51:41 though, I wonder if CSSU already fixed that Oct 15 23:51:51 Should there be a Bash terminal app if I have installed bash? Oct 15 23:52:14 xterm Oct 15 23:52:18 `bash` Oct 15 23:52:26 that's what I do Oct 15 23:52:33 chsh is dangerous Oct 15 23:53:09 xterm? Oct 15 23:53:18 Is that the same as X Terminal? Oct 15 23:53:32 others reported success, but there were also bootloops when changing user's shell (NOT root's shell, weird enough) Oct 15 23:53:36 yes Oct 15 23:54:05 Where do I change the settings for it? Oct 15 23:54:08 so my messybox hustory hasonly one command: bash Oct 15 23:54:35 oh, you just enter 'bash' as a command Oct 15 23:55:10 you may do `chsh bash` or the like, but... needs more love to get the syntax etc right, and as stated it's dangerous Oct 15 23:55:16 ok, I touched the .cherry_state file Oct 15 23:55:16 yes Oct 15 23:55:22 is that all I have to do? Oct 15 23:55:35 not sure, prolly yes Oct 15 23:55:49 ~cherry Oct 15 23:55:49 well, cherry is http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Oct 15 23:56:38 imsert SIM, make sure your clock is (or gets) set correctly, test GPS. Oct 15 23:57:00 there's a liblocation-test app somewhere, pretty useful Oct 15 23:58:14 location-test-gui Oct 15 23:59:25 ok, sim is in, restarting Oct 15 23:59:31 http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ Oct 16 00:01:53 root; cd /tmp; wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/non-free/l/location-test-gui/location-test-gui_0.93-1+0m5_armel.deb && dpkg -i location-test-gui/location-test-gui_0.93-1+0m5_armel.deb Oct 16 00:02:35 or you add the SDK repo to HAM Oct 16 00:02:59 that would be easier, wouldn't it? Oct 16 00:03:04 yep Oct 16 00:04:44 how do I add the SDK repo to HAM? Oct 16 00:05:51 good question Oct 16 00:05:58 lol Oct 16 00:06:26 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/ Oct 16 00:06:58 analog to http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Oct 16 00:07:09 you can edit catalogs in HAM Oct 16 00:08:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel Oct 16 00:08:15 chnage the text accordingly Oct 16 00:10:26 do I still put "fremantle" in the Distribution field? Oct 16 00:12:03 so then I go to All and search for location-test-gui, yes? Oct 16 00:12:06 yes Oct 16 00:12:32 the URL you gave me is old Oct 16 00:12:44 If the config doesn't work, HAM will bitch about "broken catalog" Oct 16 00:12:53 as it did Oct 16 00:13:56 it didn't work, I get a 301 error, "moved permanently" Oct 16 00:15:15 http://susepaste.org/85581366 Oct 16 00:17:02 as info source, not to copy the file Oct 16 00:17:22 oh Oct 16 00:17:46 actually you won't have that file, it's from my enable-catalogs "tool" Oct 16 00:18:01 I don't even have enable-catalogs :) Oct 16 00:19:39 checking updates Oct 16 00:19:43 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs Oct 16 00:20:21 what does it do? Oct 16 00:21:24 installing location-test-gui Oct 16 00:23:15 wa wa Oct 16 00:23:15 look into it, it comes with --help Oct 16 00:23:25 No satellites Oct 16 00:23:43 It still has the location of some previous owner of the devices Oct 16 00:23:46 It still has the location of some previous owner of the device Oct 16 00:24:07 ok Oct 16 00:24:14 I think that's enough for tonight Oct 16 00:24:23 I will have to revisit this some other time Oct 16 00:24:23 well, you need to be outside for it seeing satellites Oct 16 00:24:42 I was hoping that my proximity to the window would help, but you are right of coruse Oct 16 00:24:57 my satnav device doesn't work in the apartment either :) Oct 16 00:25:07 I will try it tomorrow on the train platform :) Oct 16 00:25:18 Thanks Jörg for all your patience and help Oct 16 00:25:23 I still have a lot to learn Oct 16 00:25:40 yw Oct 16 00:25:46 oh - wait, it sees two sats now Oct 16 00:26:01 yeah, it's not all bad Oct 16 00:26:23 but I won't wait for it to lock, I can try it tomorrow Oct 16 00:26:38 thanks again, I'll be around :) Oct 16 00:26:41 I usually get a fix within 20s when I really fold the device to the window Oct 16 00:26:58 then it should work great outside tomorrow :) Oct 16 00:27:19 ciao Oct 16 00:27:23 o( Oct 16 00:27:27 hehe Oct 16 00:27:32 o/ Oct 16 00:27:39 o/ Oct 16 01:33:35 I finally found the cause of the boot loop that started all my N900 troubles. I wanted to see what packages apt-get upgrade on cssu-devel actually wanted to install. So I added cssu-devel to my repo list and ran apt-get update. Then I ran apt-get -s upgrade (to simulate the list of packages it wanted to install) and it seems that if you do that, it will install package kernel-modules but NOT... Oct 16 01:33:37 ...the kernel itself. Oct 16 01:33:48 So that then screwed up the kernel modules Oct 16 01:34:17 Of course I didn't actually install anything and then I disabled cssu-devel immediately Oct 16 02:13:17 * Maxdamantus dislikes the idea of the package manager maintaining kernel modules (ie, files under /lib/modules belongining to the package itself) Oct 16 02:14:06 The kernel and the modules *could* be installed by something that is maintained by the package manager, but the package manager shouldn't maintain either directly. Oct 16 02:14:49 Not sure how it typically works on, eg, Debian, since I've just been compiling my own kernels for as long as I can remember. Oct 16 02:57:39 I think the answer is to change something (dont know what) so that its impossible for the kernel modules to be installed without installing the matching kernel Oct 16 02:57:41 and vice versa **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 16 03:00:01 2017