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Nov 21 03:00:04 <DocScrutinizer05> never NEVER do autoremove
Nov 21 03:26:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fapman
Nov 21 03:26:26 <infobot> rumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Nov 21 03:27:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hamvsfam
Nov 21 03:27:35 <infobot> well, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Nov 21 05:38:12 <CatButts> hmmmm
Nov 21 05:40:29 <CatButts> what's the standby time of a nokia n900?
Nov 21 05:40:39 <CatButts> I think my battery is whack
Nov 21 05:40:55 <KotCzarny> install battery-eye
Nov 21 05:41:06 <KotCzarny> normal power draw should be 8-10mA
Nov 21 05:41:20 <KotCzarny> if its higher, you have something wrong with your device
Nov 21 05:41:43 <KotCzarny> statistics will show after a week or two, so keep that in mind
Nov 21 05:42:11 <KotCzarny> but you can still estimate how much it draws from the slope of the plot
Nov 21 05:43:11 <KotCzarny> oksanaa: yes, autoremove --purge does its job
Nov 21 05:59:06 <KotCzarny> but you have to watch out, on maemo autoremove might bootloop your device
Nov 21 07:11:39 <CatButts> >Unfortunately Maemo has a very snappish watchdog that reboots your phone if it thinks it hangs due to a runaway process.
Nov 21 07:12:00 <CatButts> well, that explains why it chokes on lzma with large files
Nov 21 07:24:10 <Maxdamantus> It's not *that* snappish.
Nov 21 07:24:28 <Maxdamantus> The reason it would cause it with lzma is mostly likely that lzma is using too much memory.
Nov 21 07:24:59 <Maxdamantus> so everything is in swap.
Nov 21 09:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> autoremove *WILL* wreck your system, even when you don't get bootloop right away. Subtle dysfunctions detected after weeks or months are even worse than bootloop
Nov 21 09:55:45 <sixwheeledbeast> a battery monitor would use a little extra battery power while your using it too.
Nov 21 09:56:23 <KotCzarny> swb: from my observations it only gather data at user activity points anyway
Nov 21 09:56:44 <KotCzarny> ie. enabling/disabling screen, charger connect/disconnect etc
Nov 21 09:56:51 <KotCzarny> *gathers
Nov 21 10:20:20 <DocScrutinizer05> one of the battery monitoring apps was rather a battery capacity tester doing fast discharge
Nov 21 10:22:28 <DocScrutinizer05> that said, if the app gathers data only while visible or on activity points then it's absolutely fine. I also dodn't see any negative effects from a `bq27200.sh 30` loop, nota bene as long as displaying to a xterm, untested are effects of redirecting output to a file
Nov 21 10:25:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and for the generic question of standby time I think I've seen before: the device stays up a 10 days in locked mode without wlan and SIM
Nov 21 10:26:20 <DocScrutinizer05> on WLAN with ssh session and GSM in standby, my device still does several days, mayve 3 maybe 7, not tested it for long time
Nov 21 12:41:21 <CatButts> https://wiki.maemo.org/N9QTweak so many oportunities to tweak, so many to brick :P
Nov 21 12:42:11 <CatButts> I just want to reduce UI element size
Nov 21 12:43:36 <Vajb> easiest would be to just use binoculars backwards ;)
Nov 21 12:44:34 <bencoh> CatButts: did you get a n9 as well?
Nov 21 12:46:51 <CatButts> oh wait
Nov 21 12:46:54 <CatButts> derp
Nov 21 12:47:02 <CatButts> n9, not n900
Nov 21 12:48:17 <CatButts> I am really not paying attention today
Nov 21 13:48:04 <CatButts> I am liking the chroot linux thing on the n900
Nov 21 13:48:31 <CatButts> what would it take to roll own linux image?
Nov 21 13:48:51 <CatButts> and how far can I get
Nov 21 14:06:46 <freemangordon> CatButts: there is already devuan n900 image
Nov 22 00:27:26 * Oksanaa often uses WLAN, has a SIM card, has to use 3G (2G disappeared in Australia), and said 3G often lacks signal (because Telstra network uses 3G 850MHz band for much of coverage) which might increase drain when phone tries to find non-existent tower
Nov 22 00:34:02 <Oksanaa> That said, I currently have an uptime of 1 day 3 hours 35 minutes, and battery indicator isn't red yet. Despite using Bluetooth, filming a video, watching the video, and Bluetoothing this video over to a computer.
Nov 22 00:58:51 <Oksanaa> I wish I could tell cellular modem to shut down when I am in range of certain WiFi networks (and for phone to auto-connect to said WiFi networks, so that SIP would work instead of cellular)
Nov 22 02:12:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I think my N900 does exactly that, OOTB
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