**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 24 03:00:02 2017 Nov 24 06:45:45 CatButts: that looks good! Nov 24 06:46:16 yes, but to get to that, I'd have to sudo to the application Nov 24 06:46:35 which causes weird behaviour and sometimes crashes Nov 24 06:46:54 including inability to use OS theming Nov 24 06:47:09 which is desirable, in this case Nov 24 06:47:15 mine segfaults all the time :) Nov 24 06:47:23 lol Nov 24 06:47:56 keepassx 2.0 Nov 24 06:49:07 I have 0.4.7 Nov 24 06:49:45 I should get 1.x on here Nov 24 06:49:50 it's what I use Nov 24 06:51:32 1.34 is latest 1.x Nov 24 07:01:03 It's ... Troubling. When one day a battery lasts 1 day 19 hours, and another day it lasts less than a day. Nov 24 07:02:17 different use pattern? Nov 24 07:02:25 from what I read, N900 ain't that hot in regards to battery lifetime Nov 24 07:02:36 *idletime Nov 24 07:02:54 which reflects my experience so far Nov 24 08:04:19 it depends what you install on it, many things stop the device hitting sleep state Nov 24 08:04:24 ~powertop Nov 24 08:04:24 i guess powertop is available from repos Nov 24 08:04:28 ~zzztop Nov 24 08:04:28 rumour has it, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop Nov 24 09:05:40 It's also annoying when email doesn't work properly. Nov 24 09:08:38 I don't even get errors. Just, I don't know how to get Modest to display "Sent Items" as not empty. Nov 24 09:10:38 I see new messages in Inbox, and yet, Gmail account says that it was last updated four days ago. Nov 24 09:48:30 4 Nov 24 10:25:42 5 Nov 24 10:30:48 sixwheeledbeast: CatButts: have one silly braindamaged app that thinks it needs to update e.g. weather forecast data every 10s via internet, and be busted. Maemo does *allow* sucj shit since it thinks devels are smart enough to develop energy-aware apps- Other phone OS are more restrictive, stopping *all* apps that don't have focus, shutting down internet access completely after a few minutes, whatnot else. I just can say that my device Nov 24 10:30:49 runs 24h with IRC *active* via 2G, and way longer with IRC active via WLAN Nov 24 10:32:11 that's actually one of the main reasons why I strongly dispise those other phone OSes and love maemo - it just does what you tell it to do, and it does that very very good Nov 24 10:33:08 try to just *find* a decent "always-online" IRC client for android! good luck! Nov 24 10:33:31 there might be a very few, actually, but hard to find Nov 24 10:35:21 :nod: I can get t least 3 days with minimal use and 1 day with normal usage mainly phone calls. Nov 24 10:35:48 and even harder to code since no coder gives a shit about anything since OS takes care on their behalf, and when that stuff the OS does isn't what you want, you need to do really special idiocy to bash the OS into shape to e.g. allow your IRC client to stay online and responsive even when in background and on a locked screen Nov 24 10:38:29 on maemo devels are supposed to do the opposite: make sure your app does NOT waste resources like energy and CPU cycles when it doesn't really need (e.g, when your xterm or weather app is in background or screen is locked) Nov 24 10:41:01 * CatButts desecrates his N900 with Java applications Nov 24 10:41:03 :p Nov 24 10:41:32 maemo's permissive approach works great as long as you got competent app devels and a working QA in maemo-extras-testing. Android approach works assuming idiot devels but it sucks donkey balls for savvy users and expert devels Nov 24 10:41:49 * CatButts desecrates his brain by staring at Java source code Nov 24 10:42:42 Android is ready for new generation of developers! Nov 24 10:42:53 indeed Nov 24 10:43:08 though that approach isn' Nov 24 10:43:11 t all new Nov 24 10:44:33 windoze had that since ages - "your system gets too slow? get a better huger faster system and 6 months later we provide the next OS version which will make you feel 'at home' again, same lags and RAM shortage you're used to" Nov 24 10:47:59 likewise "your new phone has monster battery that for the first time gives you more than 24h standby time? Let us fix that problem for you - here's 'location aware sidekick', an app that always lets you know by spoken voice how many meters away from your home or office or car you are" Nov 24 10:48:31 or just make that "skype" X-P Nov 24 10:48:49 * CatButts at home on windows XP Nov 24 10:49:02 sure, must be the smartest idea ever to run a peer2peer app on a battery powered embedded device Nov 24 10:50:42 "waste your battery not only for staying online and receiving pointless advertisments but also to help other peers doing the same. No user interaction needed at all, cuts through your battery in a few hours, reliably!" Nov 24 11:18:04 you sell it so well :) Nov 24 11:29:41 Extcalllog is a nice start for replacing / replicating rtcom-call-ui Nov 24 11:43:43 libid3-tools works surprisingly well on Maemo 5 Fremantle, so far. At least, I was able to specify a track number with id3tag, and tracker sees it, and Media Player uses it. Should try this with Cyrillic next, to check Unicode compatibility... Nov 24 11:44:15 libid3-tools version 3.8.3-15 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 25 03:00:01 2017