**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 26 03:00:00 2017 Nov 26 09:53:46 I didn't re-install modrana. 44MB of dependencies? No thank you... Nov 26 09:54:20 Mappero looks nice, though. But not quite hildon-ised. Just look at its "Full screen" button... Nov 26 09:55:05 GeePS doesn't cache tiles for offline storage, right? Will uninstall it. Nov 26 09:57:04 Also, is it possible that a problem with light sensor causes excessive brightness of display and drains battery way too quickly? Nov 26 11:38:43 Tired. Tired. Tired. Nov 26 11:48:37 CatButts: (keymaps) learn the basics! the hw keycodes are (surprise!) *hardware* defined and immuatable on a certain hw platform. It's only higher layers that assign different chars to t hw keycode, usually according to what you print on your keycaps Nov 26 11:50:33 oooh, seems somebody on my ignore list helped sorting stuff and contributed a useful pointer to "keysym". Pretty unusual Nov 26 11:51:18 Max? Nov 26 11:51:44 watcha piss him off with? :P Nov 26 11:52:05 He'd be surprised .. the reason I'm actually on his ignore list was because I was trying to figure out what program was responsible for producing vibration in response to touchscreen presses and he kept insisting it was Xorg and I kept insisting it was an external program. Nov 26 11:53:48 so, from application programmer perspective, you get access to both hw keycodes and mapped keys Nov 26 11:53:50 yes? Nov 26 11:53:52 (and it was an external program; maemo-xinput-sounds or something along those lines) Nov 26 11:53:52 Eh, internet DCed again. Nov 26 11:54:05 yes Nov 26 11:54:37 then the calibration step I yapped about can become automagic Nov 26 11:54:54 check xev, very useful app Nov 26 11:54:57 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-01-13.log.html Nov 26 11:55:44 http://paste.opensuse.org/35424980 Nov 26 11:57:33 >sh: xev not found Nov 26 11:57:36 whooops Nov 26 11:58:12 http://paste.opensuse.org/7504181 Nov 26 11:58:51 IroN900:~# apt-cache search xev Nov 26 11:58:52 x11-utils - X11 utilities Nov 26 11:59:56 ~pkg x11-utils Nov 26 12:00:11 ~pkg Nov 26 12:00:11 pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ Nov 26 12:02:01 http://maemo.org/packages/view/x11-utils/ Nov 26 12:03:31 also see http://maemo.org/packages/view/xmodmap/ Nov 26 12:05:12 oh sweet, it has xkill Nov 26 12:15:51 * CatButts tries it on flash 10 player Nov 26 12:19:12 nope Nov 26 12:19:22 I guess it's only good when bound to a key Nov 26 12:48:15 it'sit particularly pointless on hildon desktop which doesn't support the usual focus setting by clicking with mouse into the window, since there's always just one fullscreen window with focus in front Nov 26 12:48:49 then, maemo has "kill recent task" OWTTE in powerbuttonmenu, and the task switcher offers killing tasks as well Nov 26 12:50:09 so xkill is useless at best, probably rather not compatible at all Nov 26 12:50:10 I make do with htop, so far Nov 26 12:51:00 xkill worked fine on the console that summoned it :P Nov 26 12:51:20 lol, yeah. since that consile has the focus Nov 26 12:51:44 I imagine you are suppose to assign it to a key combination for it to be of any use Nov 26 12:55:05 not really, it should check the X-event cueue for mouse LMB clicks (as seen by e.g. xev, I leave it to you for an exercise to figure how to make your won xkill using xev in a script, with awk and kill) and find the process owning the window to kill it. Obviously this concept is prone to fail completely on hildon Nov 26 13:08:06 sounds like a work of masochism if all I am going to get failure :p Nov 26 13:11:06 where is proximity sensor located on the n900? Nov 26 13:11:17 sys fs Nov 26 13:11:27 physically, I mean Nov 26 13:11:52 I want to use that instead of keyboard combos Nov 26 13:12:07 ooh damn you! my nice paste ;-P Nov 26 13:12:10 IroN900:~# find /sys -name proximity Nov 26 13:12:11 /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity Nov 26 13:12:13 /sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity Nov 26 13:12:14 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/gpio-switch/proximity Nov 26 13:12:57 portrait mode upper left corner, next to camera and ALS Nov 26 13:13:20 err landscape mode, sorry Nov 26 13:15:26 watch cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state Nov 26 13:16:57 ah, bueno Nov 26 13:17:01 it works Nov 26 13:17:10 unlike ShortcutD Nov 26 13:17:13 watch -d -n "0,5" cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state Nov 26 13:19:11 invalid number 0,5 Nov 26 13:19:21 YMMV, regarding decimal Nov 26 13:19:32 try 0.5 Nov 26 13:19:44 same Nov 26 13:19:52 if that fails too, get beter `watch` bibary Nov 26 13:20:06 if that fails too, get better `watch` binary Nov 26 13:22:51 or live with messybox limitations and use interval Nov 26 13:23:28 sorry, no idea where from I installed my `watch` binary Nov 26 13:25:10 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/Screenshot-20171126-152321.png hmmmmm Nov 26 13:25:54 hmm makes sense Nov 26 13:26:10 I have the oportunity to type N and avoid a pottential fudge-up Nov 26 13:26:27 http://paste.opensuse.org/88420944 Nov 26 13:27:41 I *thought* procps been fixed to NOT remove MP-fremantle-community-pr Nov 26 13:27:49 installed: (none) Nov 26 13:29:19 http://paste.opensuse.org/19538933 Nov 26 13:31:35 installed: 21.2011.38-17maemo11+thumb0 Nov 26 13:31:55 mp-fremantle-community-pr Nov 26 13:32:39 hmm thumb Nov 26 13:32:49 sorry no idea Nov 26 13:32:59 oh well, sod it Nov 26 13:34:20 I think thumb isn't for me since i'm not competent enough to consider all the implications it introduces Nov 26 13:34:48 and honestly I wouldn't want to deal with those even if I were competent enough Nov 26 13:35:16 eh, I am more reckles Nov 26 13:35:38 I should at least keep a list of applications installed Nov 26 13:35:55 for when Maemo goes tits-up Nov 26 13:37:33 when I have little attachment to the way things are currently set up, I behave recklessly Nov 26 13:40:03 when it has grown on me(like my crusty windows PC), I become reluctant to change anything drastic Nov 26 13:45:57 makes sense :-) Nov 26 13:58:28 could you please pastebin result of `apt-get -s procps`? Nov 26 14:06:46 ok Nov 26 14:08:54 invalid operation procps Nov 26 14:08:55 :p Nov 26 14:26:47 I'm missing an option Nov 26 14:43:49 install, sorry Nov 26 14:44:06 `apt-get -s install procps` Nov 26 14:44:52 apt-get -s install procps | installog.txt Nov 26 14:44:57 how's this Nov 26 14:45:14 but it seems this won't yield useful info on why exactly procps wants to uninstall mp-fremantle-community-pr Nov 26 14:47:47 oh derp Nov 26 14:47:50 it's > Nov 26 14:54:43 https://pastebin.com/DasWmM7v Nov 26 14:56:50 nothing good here Nov 26 14:57:12 except for the fact that I have naughty repos left open :P Nov 26 14:59:52 apt and dpkg tools are such a crap. No useful diagnostic output for in-depth analysis. NFC if procps conflicts mp-fremantle-community-pr or a property of mp-fremantle-community-pr and in which one Nov 26 15:11:55 honestly, reading https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942440 makes me weep Nov 26 15:14:22 IroN900:~# apt-cache depends mp-fremantle-community-pr|grep procps Nov 26 15:14:24 Depends: busybox-symlinks-procps Nov 26 15:15:53 don't ask me how to fix that Nov 26 15:23:44 * DocScrutinizer05 feels massive headache http://paste.opensuse.org/86359988 - prolly getting too old for such shit Nov 26 15:26:16 I guess Pali or freemangordon or a few others in here could shed more light on this issue Nov 26 15:26:40 ~jrtools Nov 26 15:26:41 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 26 15:26:53 ^F ps Nov 26 15:28:01 ### breaks cssu-t5.1 MP, so it's commented out. Use on own peril: Nov 26 15:28:02 ### allegedly fixed in mp-fremantle-community-pr 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 Nov 26 15:28:04 apt-get install procps Nov 26 15:29:05 there's a reasin I try to record stuff on this wikipage: I tend to forget details myself Nov 26 15:29:17 raisin* Nov 26 15:31:44 CatButts: you're free to install and accept removal of your MP, and just re-install the MP prior to running next MP update (implicitly removing procps again), then after MP update you can install procps again and hope it won't remove MP again vsince it got fixed in thumb-MP too by then Nov 26 15:32:52 freemangordon: could you have a look ^^^ thumb MP conflicts with procps Nov 26 15:34:41 I'm a total debian washout but I *think* for that reason they invented "alternatives" Nov 26 15:36:26 MESSYvox Nov 26 15:36:31 box even **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 27 03:00:01 2017