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Nov 29 10:40:21 <DocScrutinizer05> gone
Nov 29 10:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> N=MyLeeteApp echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\nEncoding=UTF-8\nVersion=1.0\nType=Application\nName=$N\nExec=/opt/$N/bin/$N.py\nIcon=$N\nX-Osso-Type=application/x-executable\nTerminal=false" >/usr/share/applications/hildon/$N.desktop
Nov 29 10:55:21 <DocScrutinizer05> KotCzarny: please don't suggest thumb to newbies
Nov 29 10:55:37 <KotCzarny> there are newbies and newbies
Nov 29 10:59:11 <Wizzup> Unable to update 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package'. Conflict with application packages: curl (7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1)
Nov 29 10:59:41 <Wizzup> Not sure if I want to remove the currently installed curl ;) 
Nov 29 11:01:47 <DocScrutinizer05> pkyes, you can upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing any time
Nov 29 11:02:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and it's "officially" supported even
Nov 29 11:07:47 <KotCzarny> docs: the more people using it, the higher chance of spotting bugs. and no, i wont suggest it for complete green ones. only those that look like can be useful
Nov 29 11:08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: that's nasty
Nov 29 11:14:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm  >>libcurl3 (>= 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu3)   * curl: Fixes - cve-2013-0249, cve-2013-1944, cve-2013-2174, #705783, #719300, cve-2013-4545, #729965, cve-2013-6422,                  cve-2014-0015, cve-2014-0138, cve-2014-0139, cve-2014-3613, cve-2014-3620, cve-2014-3707, cve-2014-8150,                  cve-2015-3143, cve-2015-3148, cve-2016-5419, cve-2016-5420, cve-2016-7141, cve-2016-7167, cve-2016-8615                  cve-2016-8616, cve-
Nov 29 11:14:06 <DocScrutinizer05> 2016-8617, cve-2016-8618, cve-2016-8619, cve-2016-8621, cve-2016-8622, cve-2016-8623                  cve-2016-8624 and cve-2016-9586 <<
Nov 29 11:14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> the joy of thumb
Nov 29 11:18:47 <Maxdamantus> The first rule of thumb is: don't talk about thumb.
Nov 29 11:19:26 <sicelo> haha Maxdamantus :)
Nov 29 11:20:45 <CatButts> pull my thumb
Nov 29 11:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/  \o/  \o/  \o/  \o/  \o/    * status-area-applet-battery: When charging, reflect charge status in icon (e.g. battery half full: only upper half of icon animated);
Nov 29 11:23:04 <DocScrutinizer05> WOOOOOW!!!  Add gconf key for spawning application on click
Nov 29 11:23:08 <CatButts> about bloody time
Nov 29 11:24:16 <DocScrutinizer05> :-(((  MCE still not fixed??? still invisible status LED on full brighness in the sun?
Nov 29 11:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess it's about time I provide a *decent* app to call when clicking battery icon
Nov 29 11:28:33 <DocScrutinizer05> zenity will indeed come in handy
Nov 29 11:29:37 <sicelo> the gconf key  is for what?
Nov 29 11:29:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I hate all this GUI gibberish forcing me to leave bash scripting
Nov 29 11:30:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Add gconf key for spawning application on click of battery icon in status bar
Nov 29 11:30:11 <DocScrutinizer05> s/bar/menu/
Nov 29 11:30:12 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: Add gconf key for spawning application on click of battery icon in status menu
Nov 29 11:31:18 <sicelo> what application? 
Nov 29 11:31:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Nov 29 11:31:45 <infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Nov 29 11:32:10 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo12
Nov 29 11:32:38 <CatButts> oh, CSSU update, nice
Nov 29 11:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Add gconf key for spawning application on click /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/exec_application<<
Nov 29 11:32:55 <CatButts> anything I should do before triggering the update?
Nov 29 11:33:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yes!!!
Nov 29 11:33:05 <CatButts> perhaps turning certain repos off?
Nov 29 11:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> BM backup
Nov 29 11:33:11 <DocScrutinizer05> that too
Nov 29 11:34:01 <CatButts> ths is out for thumb, too, yes?
Nov 29 11:34:13 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Nov 29 11:34:17 <CatButts> bummer
Nov 29 11:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> thumb...
Nov 29 11:35:09 <DocScrutinizer05> you've been warned
Nov 29 11:35:56 <CatButts> so I guess thumb cssu will be a bit behind other CSSU flavours
Nov 29 11:38:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Nov 29 11:38:59 <DocScrutinizer05> though you can safely install CSSU-testing over CSSU-thumb
Nov 29 11:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll just lose those apps that are updated in testing
Nov 29 11:39:42 <KotCzarny> isnt cssu-testing more unsafe than cssu-thumb?
Nov 29 11:39:49 <DocScrutinizer05> noway!!
Nov 29 11:40:07 <KotCzarny> unsafe in the way of more chance of packages having bugs
Nov 29 11:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> what makes you think so?
Nov 29 11:40:20 <KotCzarny> 'testing'
Nov 29 11:40:31 <KotCzarny> thumb seems more or less stable
Nov 29 11:40:40 <sicelo> they are both testing, afaik.
Nov 29 11:40:47 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik thumb is based on testing
Nov 29 11:41:01 <DocScrutinizer05> just with a compiler option
Nov 29 11:41:07 <KotCzarny> hmm
Nov 29 11:41:53 <KotCzarny> oh well, gotta run.
Nov 29 11:41:53 <DocScrutinizer05> though it seems freemangordon added some secuity patches just in time that only came in to testing with recent update, see curl above
Nov 29 11:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> thumb: curl (7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1)   T12: libcurl3 (>= 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu3
Nov 29 11:43:11 * CatButts checks out what flavour he installed
Nov 29 11:45:28 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr
Nov 29 11:45:53 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-cache show 'mp-fremantle-community-pr' |less
Nov 29 11:46:55 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to "fix" apt-cache show to filter out those idiotic icon base64 deserts
Nov 29 11:54:43 <Wizzup> Maxdamantus: why, wrt thumb?
Nov 29 11:59:30 <sicelo> i think it was just a pun :)
Nov 29 12:05:57 <pkill9> DocScrutinizer05: by 'BM' do you mean 'backupmenu'?
Nov 29 12:06:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Nov 29 12:06:32 <infobot> i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Nov 29 12:07:07 <pkill9> what's the proper way to update to new CSSU version?
Nov 29 12:07:46 <DocScrutinizer05> click the blinking "!" in status bar
Nov 29 12:08:37 <pkill9> ah ok, i don't see it so i assume the new update is only for CSSU-testing
Nov 29 12:09:06 <DocScrutinizer05> note that there is a CSSU update, reboot and do a BM backup. reboot and then do update
Nov 29 12:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Nov 29 12:11:19 <Maxdamantus> Wizzup: was just making a pun out of doc's statement, “please don't suggest thumb to newbies”
Nov 29 12:12:36 <Wizzup> Maxdamantus: oh, got him on ignore, so missed the context. ;)
Nov 29 12:13:51 <Maxdamantus> Mm .. /me generally dislikes the idea of ignoring messages on IRC channels.
Nov 29 12:14:11 <Maxdamantus> If someone really deserves to be ignored, they should probably just be banned from the channel.
Nov 29 12:14:25 <Maxdamantus> Though on a related note, I'm ignored by doc.
Nov 29 12:15:26 * Maxdamantus sleeps.
Nov 29 12:55:51 <CatButts> ignorance is bliss
Nov 29 13:01:20 <CatButts> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb this changelog make catbutts sad
Nov 29 13:02:42 <CatButts> with last release in 2014
Nov 29 13:08:34 <CatButts> I am half tempted to ditch thumb in favour of vanilla testing :p
Nov 29 13:12:33 <CatButts> I assume this means reflashing
Nov 29 13:22:04 <pkill9> can you use the extras-testign repo with CSSU-stable?
Nov 29 13:22:14 <pkill9> or do you need CSSU-testing to do that?
Nov 29 13:33:49 * CatButts tries CSSU installer over already installed CSSU
Nov 29 13:33:54 <CatButts> wish me luck!
Nov 29 13:34:04 <pkill9> goodluck!
Nov 29 13:34:36 <CatButts> don't try this at home!
Nov 29 13:52:56 <KotCzarny> i think changelog might need updating
Nov 29 13:53:22 <KotCzarny> otoh, dont forget to add notes about switching cssu flavours to wiki
Nov 29 13:59:13 <pkill9> hmm, i think theme-customizer, cssu-features, tweakr and shortcutd would be good to be merged into one configuration application
Nov 29 14:09:57 <pkill9> what is the FMTX applet?
Nov 29 14:16:01 <KotCzarny> fm transmitter enabler?
Nov 29 14:18:42 <pkill9> i think it's the statusbar
Nov 29 14:41:30 <Vajb> awww can't install cssu update because of unmet dependencies
Nov 29 14:58:38 <sicelo> FMTX applet is a widget that makes it easier to select/adjust frequenccy for your fmtx. it also allows you to adjust RDS text, make SMS display on RDS, etc. 
Nov 29 14:58:43 <sicelo> pkill9: ^
Nov 29 14:59:11 <sicelo> however, i think it has memory leaks and can misbehave. ymm
Nov 29 14:59:14 <pkill9> ah thx
Nov 29 14:59:27 <sicelo> ymmv, :)
Nov 29 14:59:48 <pkill9> i wondered cos showing it all the time is an option in the CSSU-features application
Nov 29 15:00:14 <sicelo> it works good, when it does. i've used it lots of times .. but if you notice strange things happening with your hildon -deskotp, suspect it
Nov 29 15:04:26 <Vajb> cssu update whines that it can't be installed because of curl. Should i upgrade curl manually by apt and then try cssu update from ham?
Nov 29 15:04:44 <Vajb> apt shows that there is newer version available
Nov 29 15:05:05 <Vajb> Installed: 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1
Nov 29 15:05:05 <Vajb>   Candidate: 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu3
Nov 29 17:04:13 <pkill9> is there a proper way to register a shortcut with hildon, instead of adding a .desktop file to either .local/share/applications/hildon or /usr/share/applications/hildon? I find it often crashes my n900 if i add or remove a .desktop file from either of those directories
Nov 29 18:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Nov 29 18:24:36 <DocScrutinizer05> what, it crashes your system? that shouldn't happen
Nov 29 18:25:21 <DocScrutinizer05> there's however a command you should run to update the icon cache - I can't recall from top of my head right now
Nov 29 19:05:36 <pkill9> is python => 2.7 not stable on maemo?
Nov 29 20:25:15 <DocScrutinizer05> is it in maemo-extras?
Nov 29 20:25:31 <DocScrutinizer05> then it should be stable
Nov 29 20:26:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole purpose of extras-devl, extras-testing and extras is to make sure packages in extras are stable
Nov 29 20:27:49 <pkill9> DocScrutinizer05: it's not, but the last update was in november 2013
Nov 29 20:28:03 <pkill9> i would have thought more people would use it, it's pretty common
Nov 29 20:28:25 <pkill9> that's when version 2.7 was last updated
Nov 29 23:08:54 <pkill9> is it possible to put .desktop files in .local/share/applications/hildon on the desktop? It doesn't appear in the menu for adding shortcuts to the desktop when in there, but it does appear in that menu when the .desktop file is in /usr/share/applications/hildon
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