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Jan 02 06:43:10 <vahe> hi #maemo happy new year
Jan 02 06:58:49 <vahe> CatButts:  how to use screen off?  :D (devuan)
Jan 02 06:59:55 <vahe> can not seem to turn off the screen (button side ) :D
Jan 02 07:56:11 <CatButts> I dunno either
Jan 02 07:56:40 <CatButts> I lost enthusiasm when I tried to dd backup devuan partition directly on the phone
Jan 02 07:56:51 <CatButts> half a day for 3 gb
Jan 02 07:57:04 <CatButts> (device is 4gb wide)
Jan 02 07:57:28 <CatButts> @ vahe
Jan 02 07:57:59 <CatButts> I installed xorg and started it at one point
Jan 02 07:58:16 <CatButts> the mouse input was uncallibrated and upside down
Jan 02 07:58:33 <CatButts> there some config to be done there
Jan 02 07:59:44 <CatButts> then I decided xorg is a bloated piece of doo doo
Jan 02 07:59:53 <CatButts> so I formatted and started over
Jan 02 08:00:11 <CatButts> I am now at the stage before installing any x-server
Jan 02 08:03:36 <vahe> I did not understand everything, my English is not the curve allows you to understand a lot 
Jan 02 08:04:11 <CatButts> whoops
Jan 02 08:04:19 <vahe> why are you re-installed the OS ?
Jan 02 08:04:39 <CatButts> I feel x-org is too bulky
Jan 02 08:04:41 <CatButts> bloated
Jan 02 08:04:46 <KotCzarny> because he is lazy and likes to do more work
Jan 02 08:05:02 <KotCzarny> also, because some people have to learn on their mistakes
Jan 02 08:05:12 <CatButts> and that there should be something more lightweight out there
Jan 02 08:05:33 <KotCzarny> which is sometimes progressing things, but most often time waste 
Jan 02 08:05:48 * CatButts rolls on his wasted cat butt
Jan 02 08:06:09 <CatButts> I left my devuan initiative unfinished
Jan 02 08:06:42 <vahe> for example, there is a chroot install from apt Manager Debian , it also works fine why should there be a problem with xorg
Jan 02 08:07:45 <vahe> CatButts: you mean that xorg is too large for that and have a 4GB drive at least?
Jan 02 08:08:07 <CatButts> I am pretentious, I guess :P
Jan 02 08:08:34 <vahe> or CPU can't ?
Jan 02 08:09:13 <CatButts> it's only a few hundred mb or space
Jan 02 08:09:18 <CatButts> should fit fine
Jan 02 08:09:40 <CatButts> but I think it could be less that hundreds of mb of space used :P
Jan 02 08:11:08 <vahe> 3gb
Jan 02 08:11:10 <vahe> :D
Jan 02 08:12:15 <vahe> I'm thinking of installing gentoo
Jan 02 08:12:33 <vahe> still don't know how but I think about it
Jan 02 08:12:57 <vahe> gentoo more easy
Jan 02 08:14:12 <vahe> devuan it's Debian 
Jan 02 08:14:13 <vahe> or just buy a SD card 4GB )
Jan 02 08:15:24 <vahe> CatButts: now what process are you ?
Jan 02 08:15:47 <CatButts> before any X server install
Jan 02 08:15:52 <vahe> you have a sdcard 2gb ?
Jan 02 08:16:05 <CatButts> http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt
Jan 02 08:16:10 <CatButts> 4gb
Jan 02 08:19:52 <vahe> CatButts: `wpa_passphrase name_ssid passwd` 
Jan 02 08:20:46 <CatButts> does that output to file or just stdout?
Jan 02 08:20:52 <CatButts> I think it does the latter
Jan 02 08:20:53 <vahe> anyway, I do not agree with the settings wpa_supplicant, it's too personal 
Jan 02 08:21:11 <CatButts> I can't find < and > on my keyboard
Jan 02 08:21:51 <vahe> lol
Jan 02 08:21:57 <bencoh> maybe there are none
Jan 02 08:22:12 <Wizzup> it's bluearrow + arrow
Jan 02 08:22:16 <Wizzup> left/right
Jan 02 08:22:25 <CatButts> even in devuan?
Jan 02 08:22:27 <CatButts> oh
Jan 02 08:22:31 <CatButts> derp
Jan 02 08:23:08 <CatButts> wpa_passphrase must be piped to a certain file
Jan 02 08:23:21 <CatButts> then connection manually started
Jan 02 08:23:27 <Wizzup> pipe is bluearrow+z
Jan 02 08:23:27 <vahe> and how will the <tab> ?
Jan 02 08:23:34 <Wizzup> ctri+i is tab
Jan 02 08:23:49 <vahe> thanks
Jan 02 08:23:53 <Wizzup> afk
Jan 02 08:26:14 <vahe> CatButts: think about the backup is also not necessary
Jan 02 08:26:28 <CatButts> it is not
Jan 02 08:26:47 <vahe> flwm? :) lest go gnome :D
Jan 02 08:27:02 <vahe> let's*
Jan 02 08:27:16 <CatButts> but if I want to redo from before installing x-server, I think I am going to want that backup
Jan 02 08:29:58 <vahe> then write in the article is optional
Jan 02 08:29:59 <vahe> :)
Jan 02 08:30:13 <CatButts> >At this stage, you may want to
Jan 02 08:30:17 <CatButts> >may
Jan 02 08:30:20 <CatButts> I did
Jan 02 08:30:28 <CatButts> but not in very explicit English
Jan 02 08:30:48 <CatButts> it's not an article yet, it's writing on a napkin, vahe :P
Jan 02 08:31:02 <vahe> things you can write while recommendations on optional :D
Jan 02 08:32:26 <CatButts> dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=./mybackup.img
Jan 02 08:32:35 <vahe> ahaha lol http://cat.butt.care:3434/
Jan 02 08:32:37 <vahe> nice 
Jan 02 08:32:52 <CatButts> I think it may be worth limiting that to the original image's size
Jan 02 08:33:06 <vahe> this is a home server?
Jan 02 08:33:17 <CatButts> yes
Jan 02 08:33:36 <CatButts> it is a fast response image sharing solution
Jan 02 08:33:51 <CatButts> if I can remember a filename, I can show the file to the world
Jan 02 08:34:55 <CatButts> like for the word butt
Jan 02 08:35:09 <CatButts> http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/table-cat-4-are-you-putting-me-on-a-diet-does-my-butt-look-big.jpg
Jan 02 08:35:45 <vahe> my identity is many servers at home, only use was local, my ISP sells real very expensive
Jan 02 08:36:24 <CatButts> if you can forward ports, you can host
Jan 02 08:36:32 <CatButts> do you use windows?
Jan 02 08:37:22 <CatButts> >30 kb/s
Jan 02 08:37:31 <CatButts> hmm, dissapointing upload speed
Jan 02 08:37:46 <vahe> my ip owns 1000 houses , they hand out ip as a proxy :D
Jan 02 08:37:56 <CatButts> that sucks
Jan 02 08:38:01 <vahe> it's a long story
Jan 02 08:38:36 <vahe> good kitty ) 
Jan 02 08:38:37 <CatButts> get in trouble somewhere with ban-by-ip, others suffer for you
Jan 02 08:38:47 <vahe> no im no use windows 10 years
Jan 02 08:38:54 <CatButts> ah
Jan 02 08:38:55 <vahe> im gentoo user :)
Jan 02 08:38:58 <vahe> funtoo OS
Jan 02 08:39:09 <CatButts> I am stubborn winXP user
Jan 02 08:39:58 <CatButts> I have a puppy linux handy
Jan 02 08:40:15 <CatButts> but I only use it once a month or two to back up all my partitions
Jan 02 08:40:29 <CatButts> and of course, the n900
Jan 02 08:40:33 <vahe> :)
Jan 02 08:41:25 <CatButts> I am under the suspicion that ext2 and ext3 are slow to write large files to
Jan 02 08:41:54 <CatButts> I tried above partition backup with dd on an ext3, bad idea
Jan 02 08:42:09 <CatButts> I reformatted to ext4 and dd images into it
Jan 02 08:42:14 <CatButts> massive speed improvement
Jan 02 08:42:30 <CatButts> this slowness seems to reflect on the n900 as well
Jan 02 08:42:41 <CatButts> I formatted MyDocs to ext2
Jan 02 08:42:56 <CatButts> and tried to dd into it
Jan 02 08:43:13 <CatButts> max cpu usage, half a day to write circa 3gb
Jan 02 08:43:47 <CatButts> so, is this the case with ext2 and ext3 and my suspicions are correct?
Jan 02 08:44:20 <KotCzarny> ext3 doubles the writes in worst case
Jan 02 08:44:23 <vahe> hn? you formatted the MyDocs Maemo?
Jan 02 08:44:32 <KotCzarny> as it updates the journal 
Jan 02 08:45:07 <vahe> CatButts: that is, you don't have Maemo?
Jan 02 08:45:42 <CatButts> MyDocs is the internal 32 gb partition
Jan 02 08:45:44 <CatButts> yes?
Jan 02 08:45:59 <CatButts> I formated that from fat32 to ext2
Jan 02 08:46:00 <vahe> yes
Jan 02 08:46:04 <vahe> oh
Jan 02 08:46:29 <vahe> I thought boot lies like that on Maemo
Jan 02 08:46:30 <CatButts> I am starting to regret this decision
Jan 02 08:47:30 <CatButts> boot is in 2gb nand
Jan 02 08:47:35 <CatButts> or something
Jan 02 08:47:39 <vahe> did you try to do, reboot?  work ?
Jan 02 08:47:55 <CatButts> the partition is fine, the phone works fine
Jan 02 08:48:05 <CatButts> my regret is with above dd
Jan 02 08:48:45 <vahe> just for curious, my funtoo OS is on the xfs
Jan 02 08:48:55 <vahe> mkfs.xfs /dev/mm...
Jan 02 08:49:00 <CatButts> unfamiliar
Jan 02 08:49:39 <vahe> for me better than ext4
Jan 02 08:51:37 <CatButts> I should go ask in linux-centered place to confirm my suspicion about ext2/ext3 slowness
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Jan 02 09:12:22 <Wizzup> ~.
Jan 02 09:12:23 <infobot> methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
Jan 02 09:12:33 <bencoh> :]
Jan 02 09:12:35 <KotCzarny> hehe
Jan 02 09:12:45 <Wizzup> lol
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Jan 02 12:34:28 <ShadowJK> CatButts, the emmc is very sensitive to the transfer size, if you dd something big, make bs=131702 or even bigger
Jan 02 12:34:40 <ShadowJK> 2^n sizes
Jan 02 12:35:27 <ShadowJK> I think ext4 delays some writes, the delays make it possible to gather bigger chunks before it gets sent to phsical storage
Jan 02 12:35:43 <buZz> afaik its usually best in flashmem to do bs=4M
Jan 02 12:36:16 <KotCzarny> as long you dont add fsync to dd, linux might buffer it anyway
Jan 02 12:54:16 <citylight2> hello, I am seeking help using python-brisa for ssdp
Jan 02 12:54:35 <citylight2> when I try to install this, I get a gobject error, and I wan to know if it is still maintained/used
Jan 02 13:57:08 <vahe> CatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails
Jan 02 13:58:12 <vahe> distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/arm/musl/stage3-armv7a_hardfp-musl-vanilla-20171112.tar.bz2 this manual does not work , a lot of what is written a lot of things need to change
Jan 02 13:58:26 <vahe> sorry https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900
Jan 02 13:58:49 <vahe> this
Jan 02 18:55:58 <CatButts> http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/20180101_001.jpg man, I think my N900's camera is bollocks
Jan 02 18:56:17 <CatButts> how do photocells even end up this way?
Jan 02 18:56:31 <CatButts> do they have a shelf-life or something?
Jan 02 18:56:54 <KotCzarny> radioactivity can kill pixels
Jan 02 18:57:24 <KotCzarny> google for 'camera raid through radioactive chamber'
Jan 02 18:57:25 <CatButts> so it dies from cosmos rays in time :P
Jan 02 18:57:31 <KotCzarny> or was it synchrotron
Jan 02 18:59:57 * CatButts finds bad 4chan IP cam trolling videos
Jan 02 19:00:08 <CatButts> clearly I took wrong turn left
Jan 02 19:00:14 <CatButts> *wrong left turn
Jan 02 19:00:47 <KotCzarny> /me is selling old items on steam
Jan 02 19:02:56 <CatButts> [15:57] <vahe> CatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails
Jan 02 19:02:58 <CatButts> same
Jan 02 19:03:16 <CatButts> I guess I will go nap instead
Jan 02 20:05:24 <ShadowJK> Wow that is quite out of focos
Jan 02 22:53:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help
Jan 02 22:53:43 <infobot> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"
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Jan 02 22:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Sigyn: all banana?
Jan 02 22:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> CatButts: same marks on all photos?
Jan 02 22:57:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean... could also be DSP or RAM issue
Jan 02 22:57:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but focusing on the sun can cause this too
Jan 02 23:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and lazors of course
Jan 02 23:02:56 <DocScrutinizer05> CatButts: but generally this isn't a known problem
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