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Jan 04 10:49:29 <CatButts> let's hope my N900 will be more resilient than a Dell laptop :P
Jan 04 10:50:12 <CatButts> the peripheral power block on my laptop(usb, ethernet. etc) kicked the bucket
Jan 04 10:50:53 <CatButts> and to hope I will get many years of service from it
Jan 04 11:31:26 <sixwheeledbeast> I find Dells pretty solid.
Jan 04 11:48:08 <sicelo> what is usual bandwidth usage for multiplayer games (even LAN only). i've never played any, but might want to try one
Jan 04 11:48:21 <Hurrian> <1Mbit/s
Jan 04 11:48:33 <KotCzarny> depends, from few kbits to tens of kbits
Jan 04 11:48:33 <Hurrian> or even a few dozen Kbyte/s actually
Jan 04 11:48:46 <KotCzarny> but ping is the most important
Jan 04 11:49:09 <Hurrian> netcode is surprisingly efficient, to get it in as few packets as possible
Jan 04 11:49:11 <KotCzarny> (also keep in mind that saturating your uplink will actually kill your ping)
Jan 04 11:49:13 <Hurrian> yeah, to reduce ping
Jan 04 11:50:38 <sicelo> cool. i'll try it with a friend sometime soon
Jan 04 11:55:23 <sixwheeledbeast> It would depend heavily on the game. Are you concerned about upload (hosting) or download, total usage?
Jan 04 11:56:13 <sicelo> just speed :-)
Jan 04 11:56:36 <sicelo> we'll actually be doing it over 2G/33G
Jan 04 11:56:44 <KotCzarny> work your ping baby, work it
Jan 04 11:56:58 <KotCzarny> 2g is bad expect 100-200ms MINIMUM
Jan 04 11:57:17 <KotCzarny> with 3g you might get to ~20-30ms
Jan 04 11:57:26 <KotCzarny> which is acceptable
Jan 04 11:58:10 <KotCzarny> but heavily depends on network status and additional routes
Jan 04 12:04:18 <sicelo> i'll test and inform how it goes
Jan 04 12:05:16 <sicelo> first have to decide what game we'll use ... maybe battle for wesnoth
Jan 04 12:05:35 <KotCzarny> oh, so turn based? not fps?
Jan 04 12:06:33 <KotCzarny> then its usually miniscule amount of data
Jan 04 12:06:34 <sicelo> shooter? i don't like shooting games. i can play racing though, e.g. torcs or whatever else is available/good
Jan 04 12:49:08 <brolin_empey> I doubt that anyone really cares but to follow up on what I said I should do when I am back at work: Apparently the D-Link DUB-E100 hardware version D1, which seems to be the current version, still uses the same USB vendor and device identifers (2001:1A02) as the hardware version C1, which was current in 2013.  Consequently, no change to the asix Linux driver is necessary to support the hardware version D1.
Jan 04 12:53:09 <brolin_empey> sicelo: There are driving/racing mods for some FPS games, such as Quake Rally for Quake (original) and Q3Rally for Quake III: (Team) Arena.
Jan 04 13:05:45 <sixwheeledbeast> I believe Doom and Quake should be kept separate from the more modern murder simulators.
Jan 04 13:24:27 <brolin_empey> sixwheeledbeast: Are there many crows in a murder simulator? ;-)
Jan 04 13:25:31 <sixwheeledbeast> Are there many crows in a murder?
Jan 04 13:25:53 <KotCzarny> at least one, if murder is good.
Jan 04 13:27:05 <brolin_empey> That was a pun.  A group of crows is called a murder, like a school of fish for a group of fish.
Jan 04 13:27:45 <brolin_empey> “a murder of crows”.
Jan 04 13:27:59 <sixwheeledbeast> Being serious tho, shooting "aliens and monsters" is completely different to simulated people.
Jan 04 13:28:20 <KotCzarny> what about people that are monsters?
Jan 04 13:28:49 <KotCzarny> btw. if you think of murder of crows, imagine that: http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=33217
Jan 04 13:28:53 <brolin_empey> Or persons that are illegal aliens in a political sense?
Jan 04 13:28:55 <sixwheeledbeast> And yes the pun was so subtle I didn't see it until you mentioned.
Jan 04 13:29:19 <brolin_empey> Or even legal aliens, I suppose.
Jan 04 13:29:26 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jan 04 13:29:49 <KotCzarny> long reading, but read it
Jan 04 13:29:59 <KotCzarny> and imagine the scene
Jan 04 13:33:16 <brolin_empey> Is a lawyer who is an illegal alien a legal alien?
Jan 04 13:33:32 <brolin_empey> Or an illegal legal alien?
Jan 04 13:36:09 <sixwheeledbeast> illegal alien with a law degree?
Jan 04 15:37:45 <luke-jr> guess I'm not giving up on N900 just yet after all XD
Jan 04 15:37:58 <KotCzarny> yay!
Jan 04 15:47:05 <luke-jr> wait, N900 is vulnerable too :<
Jan 04 15:47:24 <luke-jr> but at least it isn't in pieces on my desk
Jan 04 15:47:26 <KotCzarny> it isnt, according to fmg it's errata prevents it
Jan 04 15:47:32 <luke-jr> * my original N900 is, but not my backup N900
Jan 04 15:47:38 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: what?
Jan 04 15:48:02 <KotCzarny> you are talking about speculative fun that hit media recently ?
Jan 04 15:48:16 <luke-jr> Spectre, yes
Jan 04 15:48:22 <luke-jr> hits everything since 1994 IIRC
Jan 04 15:49:06 <KotCzarny> 02:11 #maemo freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, I guess n900 is safe from at least Variant1
Jan 04 15:49:07 <KotCzarny>  with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch.
Jan 04 15:49:10 <KotCzarny> 02:15 #maemo freemangordon> sorry, it is Variant2 that I meant
Jan 04 15:49:13 <KotCzarny> hah
Jan 04 15:50:06 <luke-jr> not sure that means it's immune entirely
Jan 04 15:50:24 <luke-jr> although, N900 is single-core?
Jan 04 15:50:33 <luke-jr> maybe that gets the other piece of the puzzle
Jan 04 15:51:47 <freemangordon> luke-jr: IIUC it is not about the matter of cores, but the way those cores work
Jan 04 15:52:05 <freemangordon> speculative execution, branch prediction, etc
Jan 04 15:52:33 <luke-jr> freemangordon: IIUC, having multiple cores can be used as part of the exploit
Jan 04 15:52:55 <freemangordon> but, IIUC, having single core does not prevent it
Jan 04 15:53:08 <luke-jr> but single core plus what you said *might*?
Jan 04 15:53:34 <freemangordon> yes
Jan 04 15:53:47 <freemangordon> however, the info I hit so far is too fuzzy
Jan 04 15:53:53 <luke-jr> how's Devuan looking? or is there any other reasonably updated OS for N900 these days?
Jan 04 15:55:08 <freemangordon> luke-jr: by devuan you mean maemo-leste?
Jan 04 16:02:23 <CatButts> [13:31] <sixwheeledbeast> I find Dells pretty solid.
Jan 04 16:02:28 <CatButts> looks like mine wasn't
Jan 04 16:02:33 <CatButts> :P
Jan 04 16:02:55 <CatButts> or maybe my chingchong powerbrick killed it
Jan 04 16:03:05 <CatButts> non-Dell
Jan 04 16:03:45 <CatButts> no DRM chip
Jan 04 16:04:14 <CatButts> the DRM chip in the charger talks to laptop and allows charging
Jan 04 16:04:24 <CatButts> the third wire
Jan 04 16:06:27 <CatButts> I took cable from defunct original charger and soldered a barell connector on the other end to plug charger
Jan 04 16:06:38 <CatButts> *to plug 3rd party charger
Jan 04 16:06:41 <bencoh> 17:49 < KotCzarny>  with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch.
Jan 04 16:06:58 <bencoh> yay for ARM erratas :D
Jan 04 16:07:34 <bencoh> but, err ... running js code in microb is way too slow anyway
Jan 04 16:07:39 <bencoh> and n900 is mostly a single-user phone
Jan 04 16:07:49 <bencoh> (and there is no real security between apps)
Jan 04 16:07:54 <bencoh> so .... who cares? :)
Jan 04 16:09:34 <CatButts> just get a Palm TX, problem solved
Jan 04 16:09:40 * CatButts hides
Jan 04 16:13:35 <sixwheeledbeast> I have several 10+ year old dell laptops with no issues myself. I know of plenty other people who have more modern ones with no issues.
Jan 04 16:57:31 <CatButts> Dell Latitude E6400
Jan 04 16:58:05 <CatButts> then maybe my wonky powerbrick killed it
Jan 04 16:58:23 <CatButts> after the main one died, I used multi-voltage brick
Jan 04 16:58:25 <KotCzarny> cheap one buys twice. or ten times
Jan 04 16:58:39 <KotCzarny> i hate those noisy pieces of sh*t
Jan 04 16:58:59 <CatButts> by noisy, you mean electrical noise
Jan 04 16:59:03 <CatButts> or coil whine?
Jan 04 16:59:07 <KotCzarny> both
Jan 04 16:59:14 <CatButts> lol
Jan 04 16:59:37 <CatButts> would it be no surprise if powerbrick killed laptop's innards?
Jan 04 16:59:45 <KotCzarny> yup
Jan 04 17:00:35 <KotCzarny> it's better to buy used originals than those cheap replacements
Jan 04 17:01:06 <CatButts> it was what was at hand
Jan 04 17:01:11 <CatButts> and I stuck with it
Jan 04 17:02:11 <KotCzarny> read some pages on dissecting phone/laptop chargers
Jan 04 17:02:34 <KotCzarny> it's really convincing to see how they behave under load and sometimes even in idle
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