**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 06 03:00:04 2018
Mar 06 04:53:19 * Oksanaa installed Facebook Services, sharing-service-facebook appears to work, while the widget gives "Invalid email/password combination" even though I am sure I have provided them correctly, without misprints
Mar 06 04:55:24 * Oksanaa is annoyed with modern communications: Discord on one side, Slack and Facebook on another... At least, it's possible to use public BitlBee gateway for Discord. Slack's IRC gateway is disabled. And Facebook doesn't have an IRC gateway, does it?.. Hmm, here is the thought: connect to Facebook via
Mar 06 04:55:34 <Vajb> Oksanaa: some said that it is because of sms identification, but i never got it to connect when i tried. Always that same error.
Mar 06 04:56:45 <Vajb> favebook messaging was kind of convenient when they had their xmms working
Mar 06 04:56:47 * Oksanaa BitlBee IRC gateway.
Mar 06 05:01:05 <Oksanaa> They used to have XMPP gateway?.. Slack's XMPP gateway is said to be worse than Slack's IRC gateway, so if anything, I am more inclined to get Slack Workspace Owner to enable IRC gateway.
Mar 06 05:03:20 * Oksanaa added Facebook account to BitlBee, now should make sense of groupchats... I don't think we have one already, we just have one team member who asked me to add him on Facebook. I could try to make a group chat consisting of two users: me and him. And wait for third team member to respond to emails,
Mar 06 05:03:20 * Oksanaa and somehow get fourth team member's email.
Mar 06 08:40:55 <brolin_empey> Oksanaa: There is a libpurple plug-in for Facebook Chat/Messenger.
Mar 06 08:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: seems TI doesn't even publish the OMAP5 TRMs?
Mar 06 08:44:50 <DocScrutinizer05> or I failed to spot them in that "mess"
Mar 06 08:47:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I only found a http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=AM5728&fileType=pdf elecmech TRM, and this collection http://www.ti.com/product/AM5728/technicaldocuments - no 5000p TRM though. Do I miss something here?
Mar 06 08:48:06 <DocScrutinizer05> iMX.8 also seems to have no TRMs (yet?)
Mar 06 09:19:48 <Vajb> brolin_empey: last i tried that facebook plugin didn't work
Mar 06 09:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> why the fsck doesn't http://www.ti.com/product/AM5728/description load on my FF?
Mar 06 09:39:49 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ti.com/product/AM5728/toolssoftware does
Mar 06 11:15:18 <sicelo> Oksanaa: sharing widget hasn't worked for a while, and prolly won't ever, since Facebook blocked the devs' accounts[6~
Mar 06 15:10:03 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: TI dropped most of the omap material
Mar 06 15:10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> suckers
Mar 06 15:10:22 <bencoh> apart from a few chips
Mar 06 15:10:28 <bencoh> definitely yeah
Mar 06 15:10:33 <bencoh> silly move
Mar 06 15:10:46 <bencoh> as for imx8, I don't think RM are public yet
Mar 06 15:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> for 5 they are, for 8 not
Mar 06 15:11:03 <DocScrutinizer05> 6
Mar 06 15:11:05 <bencoh> might be available for download if you have an account though
Mar 06 15:11:24 <bencoh> yeah, 6/7 have been public for a long time now
Mar 06 15:11:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Mar 06 15:11:37 <bencoh> 8 is barely released
Mar 06 15:11:37 <DocScrutinizer05> a massive >5k pages
Mar 06 15:11:45 <DocScrutinizer05> usual size for a TRM
Mar 06 15:12:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, "PRERELEASE"
Mar 06 15:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> or PREPRODUCTION or somesuch
Mar 06 15:12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: i'm searching for the best SoC right now
Mar 06 15:13:13 <DocScrutinizer05> omly selection restriction: as Open as possible
Mar 06 15:13:28 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: depends on the application
Mar 06 15:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> do I guess that rules out all snapdragon stuff right away
Mar 06 15:13:49 <DocScrutinizer05> "our" application
Mar 06 15:13:51 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Mar 06 15:13:52 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: I'd love to test imx8x but it's not released yet
Mar 06 15:14:01 <bencoh> ah, then ... imx8m/x I'd say
Mar 06 15:14:10 <DocScrutinizer05> l, what I thought
Mar 06 15:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> k
Mar 06 15:14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> a pity RISC-V has no embedded chips at all yet
Mar 06 15:14:53 <bencoh> as far as I can tell fsl is the only "open-friendly" chip vendor for phone app
Mar 06 15:15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> fsl?
Mar 06 15:15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> oh iMX?
Mar 06 15:16:36 <DocScrutinizer05> imm nope, NXP makes iMX, no?
Mar 06 15:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> so what/who is fsl?
Mar 06 15:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> "PREPRODUCTION" -> https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-8-processors/i.mx-8-family-arm-cortex-a53-cortex-a72-virtualization-vision-3d-graphics-4k-video:i.MX8
Mar 06 15:19:10 <DocScrutinizer05> still wondering about that allwinner stuff
Mar 06 15:26:59 <TheKit> DocScrutinizer05, is the main problem with AllWinner that it would require external modem?
Mar 06 15:27:32 <DocScrutinizer05> err? I think that's a mandatory feature rather than a problem
Mar 06 15:28:55 <KotCzarny> allwinner is good only because of the community
Mar 06 15:29:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf#16
Mar 06 15:29:17 <KotCzarny> though they've hired some guy to write docs for then too
Mar 06 15:29:42 <KotCzarny> *them
Mar 06 15:32:01 <KotCzarny> also, being cheapest of them all, their chip designs arent top of the bunch in regards of power and performance
Mar 06 15:33:18 <KotCzarny> doc, planning to do neowinner900 ? :>
Mar 06 15:34:52 <KotCzarny> also, socs are sold for ~3-10usd
Mar 06 15:36:19 <KotCzarny> though they are quite big and porbably wouldnt fit
Mar 06 15:36:41 <KotCzarny> not to mention the heat 
Mar 06 15:36:48 <TheKit> there are also Rockchip efforts recently
Mar 06 15:36:55 <TheKit> but it's for tablets/TV sticks
Mar 06 15:37:16 <KotCzarny> how is tablet different to phone?
Mar 06 15:37:37 <TheKit> size/power consumption/lack of mobile connectivity
Mar 06 15:37:53 <KotCzarny> plenty of 3g/4g enabled tablets
Mar 06 15:38:18 <TheKit> sure, but most of them are MediaTek/Qualcomm-based now
Mar 06 15:57:23 <KotCzarny> n800 makes great irc console
Mar 06 15:57:31 * KotCzarny purrs
Mar 06 15:58:18 <KotCzarny> aterm + xvkbd ftw
Mar 06 15:59:23 <KotCzarny> why didnt i thought of it earler
Mar 06 16:01:23 <KotCzarny> ooh i even have firefox here
Mar 06 16:04:52 <KotCzarny> firefox 3.6.5pre
Mar 06 16:24:30 <brolin_empey> Vajb: The Facebook Chat/Messenger plug-in works with Pidgin but I have not tried using said plug-in on a Nokia computer.  I stopped using a Nokia computer in 2014.
Mar 06 16:25:48 <sicelo> it works with N900. i can confirm
Mar 06 16:28:12 <brolin_empey> TheKit: KotCzarny: Tablet computers also usually seem to lack cellular telephony + SMS/MMS capability.  The Asus FonePad is an exception at least for cellular calling.
Mar 06 16:44:37 <KotCzarny> i really like n800's mobility factor
Mar 06 16:44:49 <KotCzarny> and reaistive screen
Mar 06 17:13:30 <KotCzarny> chatting on irc, edited fw on my router to allow renote, controlling oscp playing through stereo, browsing imgur. all on n800
Mar 06 17:13:42 <KotCzarny> im in love again
Mar 06 17:14:32 <KotCzarny> btw. all of the above done lounging in the armchair
Mar 06 17:17:12 <KotCzarny> and to think it has only 128m of mem
Mar 06 17:18:35 <KotCzarny> sidecam has ultrash*tty quality ;)
Mar 06 17:29:34 <sicelo> did 810 have cam?
Mar 06 17:30:44 <KotCzarny> n800 had
Mar 06 17:32:02 <KotCzarny> extendable from from body, rotatable, poor quality
Mar 06 17:32:56 <sicelo> yes i know about about the one on n800. let me check what the situation was on N810, although i'd guess it also had
Mar 06 17:34:01 <KotCzarny> it mightve had frontcam
Mar 06 17:34:03 <sicelo> yes N810 also had, but non-rotating. it was in the front only
Mar 06 18:48:40 <KotCzarny> no bugs, no issues
Mar 06 18:48:46 <KotCzarny> erm, wrong chan
Mar 06 18:54:06 <sicelo> sounds like lots of bugs and issues then :p
Mar 06 19:08:44 <Vajb> sicelo: did you install it from repos or made your own package?
Mar 06 19:10:08 <Vajb> ^about pidgin facebook
Mar 06 19:13:26 <sicelo> it's on tmo somewhere
Mar 06 19:17:10 <sicelo> Vajb: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100122
Mar 06 19:17:39 <sicelo> ah yes, so it's in repos .. -devel
Mar 06 19:22:19 <Vajb> ok thx. Seems to have some dependency issue here
Mar 06 19:23:57 <Vajb> hmm actually no. It starts to install and then fails
Mar 06 19:38:13 <Vajb> but i have solution for the guy in the forum. Just tell him to add that imagefolder path to tracker. I did that with telegram and it works well.
Mar 06 19:40:21 <sicelo> why you don't post yourself? :)
Mar 06 19:42:22 <Vajb> can't recall my password right now :D
Mar 06 19:46:34 <sicelo> posted
Mar 06 19:51:15 <Vajb> thx
Mar 06 19:55:15 <Vajb> dpkg: error processing /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/purple-facebook_0.9.5-9ff9acf9fa14-0maemo1_armel.deb (--unpack):
Mar 06 19:55:19 <Vajb>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/purple-2/libfacebook.so', which is also in package pidgin-facebookchat
Mar 06 19:55:35 <Vajb> that seems to be my problem
Mar 06 19:56:35 <Vajb> should i delete or rename the file and see what happens?
Mar 06 19:56:50 <KotCzarny> diversion
Mar 06 19:57:12 <KotCzarny> you can try forcing
Mar 06 19:57:19 <KotCzarny> --force-all etc
Mar 06 19:57:36 <Vajb> does ham do that?
Mar 06 19:57:53 <KotCzarny> unlikely. apt 
Mar 06 19:58:13 <Vajb> well worth a shot
Mar 06 20:00:02 <sicelo> where did the first one come from?
Mar 06 20:01:38 <Vajb> don't know
Mar 06 20:01:49 <Vajb> didn't show up in ham remove list
Mar 06 20:02:22 <Vajb> going to purge it
Mar 06 20:03:07 <Vajb> that did the trick
Mar 06 20:17:09 <Vajb> ok, it seems to work \o/
Mar 06 20:17:52 <sicelo> :)
Mar 06 20:18:34 <Vajb> thx for the hint
Mar 06 20:18:51 <Vajb> maybe i should keep one on TMO always
Mar 06 20:18:55 <sicelo> yw
Mar 06 20:18:58 <Vajb> one eye
Mar 06 20:19:48 <Vajb> startup seems to be bit heavy
Mar 06 20:21:17 <sicelo> you have many friends?
Mar 06 20:22:05 <Vajb> less than 200 hundreds
Mar 06 20:22:36 <Vajb> have u tried any groups yet?
Mar 06 20:22:58 <sicelo> i don't think it does groups
Mar 06 20:25:07 <Vajb> i'll report back when some of groups has something happening
Mar 06 20:26:15 <sicelo> they don't work :)
Mar 06 20:26:26 <sicelo> unless you mean other types of groups
Mar 06 20:28:18 <Vajb> i guess we speak of same thing
Mar 06 20:28:30 <sicelo> then no
Mar 06 20:28:45 <sicelo> this is only for chat/instant messaging
Mar 06 20:29:44 <Vajb> yup. I meant chat with many users
Mar 06 20:30:25 <sicelo> ok. i don't do that :)
Mar 06 20:30:29 <sicelo> do report back
Mar 06 20:31:45 <Vajb> sure thing
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