**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 02 03:00:03 2018 Apr 02 03:28:54 hmm, I don't think there's anything wrong with dsme, you just need to use it correctly Apr 02 03:30:55 inded dsme can reboot system when a process started with dsmetoll --start-reset or --start-restart quits (too often) Apr 02 03:31:01 indeed even Apr 02 03:32:00 the key is to use dsmetool --stop to stop the process Apr 02 03:32:35 and ideally you wrap that stuff into an init script Apr 02 03:32:37 imo if a regular debian (or devuan) doesn't use dsme (which it obviously doesn't), a proper debian/devuan port probably shouldn't either. Apr 02 03:33:00 It sounds like it deals with problems that OSes should already be solving. Apr 02 03:33:17 restarting processes, running watchdogs .. this shouldn't be device-specific stuff. Apr 02 03:35:36 "modern devuan with a user experience identical to Maemo 5" seems contradictory to me. If the user experience is truly identical, you should still be limited to whatever versions of software were used in that old Debian-like OS. Apr 02 03:35:49 unrelated: I found a few 'funny' scripts in /etc/osso-cud-scripts/ Apr 02 03:36:06 cud is likely Clean Up Device Apr 02 04:17:40 I've got a Droid4 now. It's running Android 2.3.6. It's still carrier locked and unlocking it, seems difficult. Is there a lazy way to test cellular? Apr 02 04:24:06 Maxdamantus: very roughly sysvinit+dsme = upstart = systemd; some of the things dsme does are indeed covered by more modern things, some probably are not - like having active emergency call => even thermal shutdown is not allowed Apr 02 04:25:00 Maxdamantus: Agreed. I'd like to see (and will help with) Leste moving away from certain Maemo-isms like dsme where appropriate. The more Maemo-isms we can get rid of, the easier it will be to maintain, upgrade, etc Apr 02 04:25:41 then those things dsme & co do, have bindings in maemo mw/ui etc -> completely replacing is a lot of work Apr 02 04:26:38 By "user experience", I think it means UX/UI rather than software versions Apr 02 04:26:39 already in nokia & continuing in mer/sfos -> the role of dsme is made smaller step by step as more standard ways of doing things are available and make sense Apr 02 04:29:15 Yeah, and just to be clear, the thing I had in quotations wasn't an actual quote, just a sentiment I've seen before. Apr 02 04:29:39 one problem with these old maemo services is that while they serve some generic purpose, they were forked/device -> things that should come from config files are likely to be hardcoded somewhere Apr 02 04:29:57 I think it's fairly reasonable to create an OS that pretty much behaves the same way as Maemo 5 as far as a typical phone user would be concerned (assuming typical phone users would be likely to start using Maemo 5 nowadays) Apr 02 04:30:14 which means they don't care about things like dsme or upstart Apr 02 04:32:54 that doesn't include me though, since part of my "UX" involves editing startup scripts and configurations to get the device to behave in certain ways. Apr 02 04:41:37 for me "behaving in certain ways" is more about low level details, like "process watchdogs" in systemd vs in dsme. former = apps decide when/how ; latter = synchronized in system wide manner Apr 02 04:42:08 both have "a feature", but one of them is more pm & mobile friendly Apr 02 04:44:11 Indeed, so the migration process should not cater to my such uses. Apr 02 04:44:37 It should be free to reorganise /etc such that my alterations don't work. Apr 02 05:02:15 well Apr 02 05:03:02 Leste goal is provide a remastered fremantle Apr 02 05:03:12 a updated system while maintaining the overall user experience Apr 02 05:03:23 modernized backends Apr 02 05:04:06 while UX being the same, that is one of the reasons hildon and co got reversed Apr 02 05:04:46 it means a non-constrained community maintenance Apr 02 06:30:06 Oxyd76: fix your connection Apr 02 06:30:14 or client Apr 02 06:30:17 (or both) Apr 02 10:38:05 one of my n900 keys fell out. what type of glue is best to stick it back? Apr 02 10:38:21 glue/adhesive Apr 02 11:01:30 my n900 has unfortunatelly gathered dust in the last month or two Apr 02 11:01:42 has anything interesting happened in this time? Apr 02 11:01:53 for maemo/the n900 Apr 02 11:11:24 CatButts: yes, maemo-leste coming along Apr 02 11:34:41 ^ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 03 03:00:01 2018