**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 25 03:00:06 2018
Apr 25 07:13:30 <fishbulb> is that n900 board available yet
Apr 25 07:14:01 <fishbulb> and does the original n900 still work? with servers and stuff?
Apr 25 07:18:31 <bencoh> the "original" n900 still works, with servers and stuff hosted by community for most things
Apr 25 07:18:36 <bencoh> (but not all)
Apr 25 07:19:28 <fishbulb> ok
Apr 25 07:19:41 <fishbulb> and the neo900 is what
Apr 25 07:20:12 <fishbulb> vapour-hardware?
Apr 25 07:20:29 <fishbulb> it's been a LOT of years
Apr 25 07:20:48 <bencoh> well, that question should go to #neo900 if anything
Apr 25 07:21:08 <fishbulb> I was just wondering if it ever happened
Apr 25 07:21:16 <bencoh> it hasn't been released yet
Apr 25 07:21:17 <fishbulb> I won't buy one
Apr 25 07:21:31 <bencoh> it's a separate hardware project
Apr 25 07:21:56 <fishbulb> I'm wondering if my n900's I found could work if I charged them
Apr 25 07:22:03 <luke-jr> why not?
Apr 25 07:22:22 <fishbulb> why wouldn't an n900 work?
Apr 25 07:22:45 <fishbulb> becaues it's been years since I used one and it's nine years old now?
Apr 25 07:23:18 <fishbulb> that's why I'm asking the question, I don't know
Apr 25 07:25:18 <bencoh> high chances are it still works ... although you might have flat battery issues and the likes
Apr 25 07:25:48 <fishbulb> I have a ton of batteries and they're all probably bad. the one I have still turns on but I didn't charge it yet
Apr 25 07:27:42 <bencoh> then I'd recommend charging it first :)
Apr 25 07:32:15 <sixwheeledbeast> Lots of people here still use an N900 daily.
Apr 25 07:34:57 * Maxdamantus uses it as his primary phone.
Apr 25 07:36:01 * sixwheeledbeast too
Apr 25 07:36:43 <sixwheeledbeast> although now a primary personal phone instead of work.
Apr 25 07:37:36 <bencoh> primary (and only) phone here
Apr 25 07:37:51 <Vajb> same as bencoh here
Apr 25 07:38:23 <sixwheeledbeast> I have a equally aged BB for work as it's small.
Apr 25 07:38:47 <Vajb> BB?
Apr 25 07:38:55 <sicelo> blackberry
Apr 25 07:39:00 <Vajb> ah
Apr 25 07:39:21 * sicelo also using N900 as primary and only phone. :)
Apr 25 07:48:38 <fishbulb> whatsapp disappearing is probably the only reason I caved to android
Apr 25 07:48:42 <fishbulb> and the way better maps
Apr 25 07:49:11 <fishbulb> and the faster devices and a lot more useful apps
Apr 25 07:49:41 <KotCzarny> which of them you were using last week?
Apr 25 07:49:46 <KotCzarny> and how many times?
Apr 25 07:50:01 <fishbulb> both of them MANY MANY times
Apr 25 07:50:07 <fishbulb> in a large city you have to have maps
Apr 25 07:50:13 <fishbulb> and whatsapp I use to talk to girls
Apr 25 07:50:16 <KotCzarny> no, you dont
Apr 25 07:50:23 <fishbulb> yes, I do
Apr 25 07:50:34 <KotCzarny> yes, you *specifically* do
Apr 25 07:50:38 <fishbulb> that's the only thing I do with whatsapp
Apr 25 07:50:52 <fishbulb> lots of people use it
Apr 25 07:51:15 <KotCzarny> lots of people go to dance clubs, and?
Apr 25 07:51:19 <fishbulb> why are you asking these questions? whatsapp and google maps are nearly imposible not to have
Apr 25 07:51:33 <KotCzarny> why are you talking about android on maemo channel?
Apr 25 07:51:41 <fishbulb> wifi phonecalls, SOME family are very occasionally on whatsapp
Apr 25 07:51:53 <KotCzarny> people here are well aware what can you do with 256M of ram
Apr 25 07:51:54 <fishbulb> I'm saying the reason I had to go android for my main phone
Apr 25 07:52:11 <fishbulb> and then forgot about the n900 until now becuase I had a few in good condition
Apr 25 07:52:16 <fishbulb> and I found them again
Apr 25 07:52:38 <fishbulb> I'm not arguing which is better
Apr 25 07:53:02 <fishbulb> also facebook is the main people online worldwide communicate, that's also something that just is a thing
Apr 25 07:53:05 <fishbulb> and I wish it wasn't
Apr 25 07:53:22 <KotCzarny> then dont
Apr 25 07:53:40 <fishbulb> I'm forced to because of the places I live
Apr 25 07:54:50 <KotCzarny> are you forced physically?
Apr 25 07:54:54 <fishbulb> forums are less and less and if you want shit it's usually a facebook group. things for sale, parts for shit you need, it's more and more facebook groups
Apr 25 07:55:18 <fishbulb> if I want to LIVE without buying everything from a store, and if I want to have contact with my family, then I have to use facebook
Apr 25 07:55:47 <fishbulb> I can still use whatever os I want and I can still limit what facebook gets from me, but I really have to use it
Apr 25 07:55:50 <KotCzarny> oh boy, horrors of living afar
Apr 25 07:56:55 <fishbulb> for someone who is almost normal google maps, whatsapp and facebook are necessary evil
Apr 25 07:57:06 <KotCzarny> its not evil
Apr 25 07:57:09 <KotCzarny> its a tool
Apr 25 07:57:24 <KotCzarny> its evil if you are slave to it
Apr 25 07:57:26 <fishbulb> I don't even know what you are arguing
Apr 25 07:57:49 <KotCzarny> i'm arguing you saying that one has to go full electronics to live their lives
Apr 25 07:57:52 <fishbulb> yeah I look for bike parts and a few other types of things very often
Apr 25 07:58:04 <fishbulb> yeah and often the electronics have to be more modern than 9 years
Apr 25 07:58:16 <sicelo> "whatsapp and google maps are  nearly impossible not to have" - my sgs4 fell and broke about 3 weeks ago, and i haven't used whatsapp since then. i don't feel any loss. (google maps i never used on it anyway .. didn't have it installed to begin with - LineageOS)
Apr 25 07:58:37 <fishbulb> so you never go very far from your home
Apr 25 07:58:47 <fishbulb> or you live in a smaller place or something
Apr 25 07:58:54 <KotCzarny> false
Apr 25 07:59:14 <fishbulb> how the hell do you get around a large city efficiently without a good map system
Apr 25 07:59:23 <KotCzarny> ever heard of maps?
Apr 25 07:59:31 <fishbulb> a map of berlin?
Apr 25 07:59:37 <KotCzarny> and yes, i use gmaps sometimes
Apr 25 07:59:37 <fishbulb> it is a giant book
Apr 25 07:59:45 <KotCzarny> but i use any maps i have handy at the moment
Apr 25 07:59:46 <fishbulb> if it even exists
Apr 25 08:00:06 <fishbulb> yeah, I've used my watch to navigate
Apr 25 08:00:11 <fishbulb> it was a lot harder than google maps
Apr 25 08:00:13 <KotCzarny> people lived in berlin since hundreds of years, i havent heard them being lost
Apr 25 08:00:19 <fishbulb> you haven't lived there
Apr 25 08:00:26 <fishbulb> in 2018
Apr 25 08:00:34 <sicelo> fishbulb: N900 has modrana if you really MUST have a maps system
Apr 25 08:01:00 <KotCzarny> one can also just have navi system in car
Apr 25 08:01:02 <fishbulb> I really really must have a maps system, I was just saying why a fast android device has replaced the n900 as the MAIN phone
Apr 25 08:01:17 <sicelo> ok
Apr 25 08:05:03 <bencoh> I use marble and still happy with that overall
Apr 25 08:05:14 <fishbulb> I was, until I used google maps
Apr 25 08:06:04 <fishbulb> which tells you how to get to places you've never been hours apart a dense city using public transport or feet or cars
Apr 25 08:06:15 <bencoh> I somehow wish it had support for some public transport routing (like google transit, if anything), but ...
Apr 25 08:06:41 <fishbulb> yeah it's impossible to get around without the public transport times and shit
Apr 25 08:07:11 <bencoh> actually I guess I could code it, but I never really got into it (I hate web/json, parsing, c++ abstraction, and anything close to it)
Apr 25 08:07:15 <KotCzarny> i never get around with shit
Apr 25 08:07:24 <KotCzarny> especially on public transport
Apr 25 08:07:29 <bencoh> KotCzarny: hey, don't you want to write a transit plugin for marble?
Apr 25 08:07:39 <bencoh> or even a generic transit lib for maemo?
Apr 25 08:07:52 <bencoh> one that we could plug to both marble and modrana for instance
Apr 25 08:08:25 <fishbulb> because he thinks that paper maps and memory are perfectly fine for getting around cities with a population of many millions
Apr 25 08:08:36 <fishbulb> with a transport system that looks like a circuit board
Apr 25 08:08:44 <bencoh> fishbulb: well, actually it is perfectly normal
Apr 25 08:08:49 <sicelo> there was something jonwil did ... but i don't remember the scope
Apr 25 08:08:56 <KotCzarny> i've lived in nyc
Apr 25 08:09:02 <bencoh> sicelo: yeah, he started some work on that back then iirc
Apr 25 08:09:05 <KotCzarny> never had troubles without gmaps
Apr 25 08:09:15 <fishbulb> did you live there when gmaps didn't exist
Apr 25 08:09:22 <fishbulb> what the fuck is this argument even about
Apr 25 08:09:30 <bencoh> fishbulb: good question actually :)
Apr 25 08:09:43 <bencoh> (no reason to "argue")
Apr 25 08:09:56 <fishbulb> no
Apr 25 08:11:19 <bencoh> btw, I'm (kinda) positively surprised with purple-telegram (pidgin) on n900 ... it's usable, and pretty handy
Apr 25 08:11:39 <sicelo> i use it every single day :)
Apr 25 08:11:39 <bencoh> and you can always use web.telegram.org as a backup if anything
Apr 25 08:11:52 <bencoh> (from a desktop)
Apr 25 08:13:06 <bencoh> Pidgin isn't exactly the best messaging UI ever (quite the opposite tbh, and even rtcom-messaging-ui is better I think), but ... it's still okay :)
Apr 25 08:13:06 <sicelo> i also recently use telegram-cli from my 2nd N900 running postmarketOS. also pretty good
Apr 25 08:13:18 <bencoh> huhu
Apr 25 08:13:26 <fishbulb> what's postmarketOS
Apr 25 08:13:27 <bencoh> why not leste then? :)
Apr 25 08:13:37 <fishbulb> are any of these end user things
Apr 25 08:14:08 <sicelo> i use leste too :)
Apr 25 08:14:26 <fishbulb> I can use arch linux, but I use it because windows 10 is HORRIFIC
Apr 25 08:14:44 <fishbulb> android is too
Apr 25 08:15:14 <fishbulb> I'm at an airport right now and before I was here I found out that flight mode records barometric pressures and shitloads of things, way more than just regular use
Apr 25 08:15:40 <bencoh> fishbulb: leste isn't mature yet, but it's meant to be tech-savvy end-user I'd say
Apr 25 08:15:41 <sicelo> i don't want to 'pollute'  my leste install, while pmOS is a bit freer, since you use a regular wm, etc. of course i can use telegram-cli on leste without issue
Apr 25 08:15:43 <fishbulb> which is also fairly accurately guessing when you got into and out of a car (as a passenger) and blah blah. even with the alternate firmwares
Apr 25 08:16:08 <bencoh> (a bit like regular maemo)
Apr 25 08:16:25 <bencoh> (back when everything "worked")
Apr 25 08:16:57 <fishbulb> that was a long time ago though
Apr 25 08:17:21 <bencoh> indeed
Apr 25 08:19:33 <sicelo> so what phone are you using fishbulb 
Apr 25 08:22:30 <bencoh> Ohmy.
Apr 25 08:28:52 <Vajb> I use regular maps as well. Google maps and such are handy and easy, but they just can't beat the feeling of real paper map at hand
Apr 25 08:29:32 <Vajb> to see whole city by a glance without sweeping and swiping nor running out of battery
Apr 25 08:30:15 <sicelo> (wut! osso-pdf-reader  supports in-document-links ... i could swear it didn't, but just now it worked. mmmh)
Apr 25 08:30:51 <Vajb> I think it has always supporte them
Apr 25 08:31:31 <sicelo> and i've used my n900 since 2011 .. only discovering this now!
Apr 25 08:31:55 <Vajb> all life is learning ;)
Apr 25 08:32:40 <sicelo> :)
Apr 25 10:31:47 <tahr64userO68> o/
Apr 25 10:35:28 <tahr64userO68> +v
Apr 25 10:36:34 <sicelo> +b
Apr 25 10:36:55 <tahr64userO68> +b
Apr 25 10:37:26 <tahr64userO68> how do you converse ?
Apr 25 10:37:49 <tahr64userO68> 144 users and all lurk ?
Apr 25 10:38:01 <sicelo> you just converse, just like you have now ..
Apr 25 10:38:11 <tahr64userO68> thank you 
Apr 25 10:38:12 <sicelo> do you need anything specific?
Apr 25 10:38:35 <tahr64userO68> "laughing" depends how much cash you could spare quickly ?
Apr 25 10:38:51 <sicelo> huh?
Apr 25 10:39:00 <tahr64userO68> honest = i am looking for information about a nokia n900
Apr 25 10:39:15 <sicelo> ~ask
Apr 25 10:39:15 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Apr 25 10:39:20 <bencoh> well, ask away, we'll see if anyone can answer :)
Apr 25 10:40:19 <tahr64userO68> I've queried for manual to operate it and wondered if there may also be something hidden in maemo organization ?
Apr 25 10:40:50 <bencoh> to "operate" it?
Apr 25 10:41:01 <tahr64userO68> ? such as a  USER manual
Apr 25 10:41:35 <bencoh> ah, I see ... well, there might have been a user manual back then, but it's most certainly not up-to-date
Apr 25 10:41:48 <tahr64userO68> yah-think ?
Apr 25 10:41:57 <bencoh> did you buy n900 recently?
Apr 25 10:41:58 <tahr64userO68>  this n900 is a relic
Apr 25 10:42:21 <bencoh> it's a "relic", yes, but one that a lot of us still use daily :)
Apr 25 10:42:25 <tahr64userO68> new to me - but was old to the youngman who sold it to me
Apr 25 10:42:39 <sicelo> also, user guides will be on the n900 (maybe in documents directory) if someone hasn't removed them
Apr 25 10:42:48 <bencoh> right
Apr 25 10:43:12 <tahr64userO68> it is a project i respect
Apr 25 10:43:15 <bencoh> Well, wiki.maemo.org is a source of information
Apr 25 10:43:21 <tahr64userO68> took a beating and keeps on ticking
Apr 25 10:43:36 <bencoh> talk.maemo.org is a useful resource as well
Apr 25 10:44:31 <bencoh> What is your motivation btw? Is it a toy project? Is it meant to be your daily driver? Something you need for some specific use?
Apr 25 10:44:54 <tahr64userO68> motivational toy ?
Apr 25 10:45:55 <tahr64userO68> dont wish to break it ,  more about learning about using it / even if only for basic uses while it lasts
Apr 25 10:46:03 <bencoh> I see
Apr 25 10:47:31 <bencoh> then you'll probably want to read wiki, maybe do a backup of its current state/content if its previous life has any importance for you (I dunno, maybe you value all the efforts that young man put into it, at least for reference purpose, who knows), and reflash/upgrade to CSSU (Community Updates)
Apr 25 10:48:14 <tahr64userO68> ? ok, have you a link please 
Apr 25 10:48:54 <tahr64userO68> or direct me in the general direction even would be appreciated sir
Apr 25 10:49:38 <tahr64userO68> Im familiar with IRC / and freenode so i don't need breadcrumbs to find my way back 
Apr 25 10:50:03 <bencoh> I see :)
Apr 25 10:50:10 <bencoh> Well, https://wiki.maemo.org/Cssu is a start
Apr 25 10:50:21 <bencoh> ~reflash
Apr 25 10:50:21 <infobot> hmm... reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)
Apr 25 10:50:25 <bencoh> ~flash
Apr 25 10:50:26 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Apr 25 10:50:38 <bencoh> That could help too
Apr 25 10:51:02 <bencoh> I'd suggest reading first before trying anything
Apr 25 10:51:13 <tahr64userO68> * Thank you gentlemen -
Apr 25 10:51:29 <tahr64userO68> i've been thru minefields with a k-bar for a probe 
Apr 25 10:51:34 <tahr64userO68> i can read instructions
Apr 25 10:53:57 <tahr64userO68> Again Gentlemen - thank you for what you have provided / tons more than i could gather by query
Apr 25 10:54:20 <tahr64userO68> * And good health to all
Apr 25 10:55:48 <bencoh> Oops, I should've told him to stay and idle here
Apr 25 10:56:04 <KotCzarny> he will be back
Apr 25 10:56:06 <KotCzarny> no worries
Apr 25 10:56:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 25 22:23:30 <sixwheeledbeast> shame I missed out on the maps topic earlier, lol
Apr 26 02:59:07 <Maxdamantus> Hm .. wonder if that's a way to force a switch to 3.5 .. just send an SMS to myself.
Apr 26 02:59:17 * Maxdamantus will test reliability later.
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