**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 10 03:00:01 2018 May 10 04:31:27 Off-topic but I dislike the ##windows* channels on freenode but the persons in this channel are intelligent and knowledgeable: Can anyone else load https://www.youtube.com/ in Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 10? I get an error page from IE that says I should enable TLS 1.0 , 1.1 , and 1.2 in Advanced settings and try connecting again but all three of these protocols were already enabled when I opened the Advanced settings. 0_o Has Google/YouTube dropped May 10 04:31:27 support for IE? May 10 05:11:17 brolin_empey: humm iirc there are other limitations, e.g. TLS SNI .. install Firefox/Edge/soemting else =), and help sort out new alternative browser for leste =) May 10 05:11:47 brolin_empey: try out mint-19 when it becomes avaibale in a month ish, =) May 10 05:45:44 brolin_empey: I believe a lot of thinks are dropping support for IE even WIndows. May 10 05:45:52 *things May 10 05:49:08 I imagine it is left there for legacy/compatibility (ActiveX etc) but will be dropped completely in the future. I am surprised to hear anyone is still using IE with its poor HTML5 score. May 10 05:49:43 some people like the pain May 10 05:49:54 its just way humans are May 10 06:10:27 A bad workman blames his tools, a good workman uses the right tools May 10 06:11:22 and some people have 'idee fixe' they ponder over and over May 10 08:11:22 if several people are working in a project and making changes to few common .java files. What would be the best solution to merge changes to that file? So far we have been using text editor to paste the lines we changed, but that feels kinda stupid way to do it. May 10 08:11:45 git? May 10 08:12:00 that way you keep history with rollback May 10 08:12:06 and you know who is breaking things May 10 08:13:18 we took a look on git gui, but no one bothered to learn it. May 10 08:13:55 it is just small school project. Mysql databese with java gui to interact with it May 10 08:15:21 still. learn some version control, will come handy if you plan on being part of the project in the future? May 10 08:15:32 I imagine people who are meant to be modifying .java files are likely to learn git at some point anyway. May 10 08:16:40 might as well do it now instead of looking for some sub-par version control system that has an appealing GUI. May 10 08:17:09 i would guess it is the topic of next course. They mentioned version control, when we asked a tool for it, but also added that it is too heavy for this project May 10 08:17:26 fwiw, my Windows-using colleage uses tortoisegit .. but I can't vouch for it personally since I haven't really used it. May 10 08:18:42 ok. Maybe i'll use my holidays for playing with git May 10 08:19:22 Yeah, if you're not at all familiar with git and the version control isn't particularly important, it might not be worth using. May 10 08:19:33 but once you are familiar with git, you'll probably use it for everything. May 10 08:20:08 otherwise it's a bit like trying to use an editor that has no "undo". May 10 08:21:07 i suspect they have the task of finding a way to manage a project kind of hands-on experience so the teacher can show them magic git that will be simpler than whatever they come up with May 10 08:21:09 ;) May 10 08:23:26 that sounds plausible :) May 10 08:25:32 we have this new ict-path system which joins different school systems in to one for basic studies May 10 08:25:57 and we are first batch going through May 10 08:30:32 does maemo have some tool for finding duplicates? I searched for fslint, but could not find it. May 10 08:30:44 find? May 10 08:30:46 :) May 10 08:31:06 also, writing a script to do that in php/perl/python is quite easy task May 10 08:31:08 oh, did not know it finds duplicates too May 10 08:31:17 It doesn't inherently. May 10 08:31:31 well, it can be used as a part of the script to do that May 10 08:31:31 find . -type f -exec sha1sum '{}' '+' | tee sha1s May 10 08:32:02 Then can pipe `sort sha1s` to some `uniq` invocation. May 10 08:32:52 sort sha1s | uniq -c -w40 | sort -n May 10 08:32:54 something like that May 10 08:33:07 but that's vajb homework, isnt it? May 10 08:33:43 KotCzarny: actually it is not ;) May 10 08:34:40 anyway, using any scripting language is more flexible to operate on lists that pure bash May 10 08:35:11 tbh the bash way above is perfectly reasonable for solving the task. May 10 08:35:12 and in php you can even export/import array via var_export/eval May 10 08:35:26 maxd: i suspect it's only part of the task May 10 08:36:44 ok. I rearranged my school folder on computer and when I synced it with n900 winscp didn not rearrange those but instead sent new files and kept old May 10 08:37:07 use rsync, not winscp May 10 08:37:26 there is windoze build of rsync called grsync afair May 10 08:38:26 yes i fiddled with it but lost interest when it didn't work as i wanted (mainly not at all) May 10 08:38:47 so I went to easy solution of winscp May 10 08:38:54 windoze is hairy when it comes to file times/permissions, but its doable May 10 08:39:20 but if you want to keep things in sync. rsync. May 10 08:40:49 Ideal think would be that it starts syncing automagically when my phone joins to same wlan. May 10 08:41:05 thing* May 10 08:41:32 Seems a bit expensive. May 10 08:41:44 Each time you join WLAN it would do a full filesystem search? May 10 08:41:57 just one folder May 10 08:41:59 It'd be perfectly reasonable using something like btrfs. May 10 08:42:00 ah May 10 08:44:06 also I only join to that wlan when I wanna sync. May 10 08:44:28 well, you can have icon on n900 that will enable/join wlan then run rsync May 10 08:45:41 I use script to connect to wlan. To keep gprs intact May 10 09:33:40 If your not using git or another VCS, I can only imagine using a separate diff file where line changes would be recorded between versions. May 10 09:34:16 Also i suppose you can modify your wlan connect script to check for location then sync? May 10 09:41:39 But doing diffs requires storing the files at least twice. A VCS will do that for you in such a way that you won't easily make mistakes. May 10 09:41:48 You can run rsync on a cronjob "server side". Easy to set your device to use a static ip for that SSID May 10 09:42:16 I agree, you are basically manually doing the job of a VCS May 10 09:42:43 an example of rsync would be in ~jrtools May 10 09:43:08 remember windoze fs might require finer tuning May 10 09:44:32 * Maxdamantus does N900 backups using rsyncd directly over g_ether May 10 09:44:37 (so no ssh encryption overhead) May 10 09:45:26 * Maxdamantus doesn't do them partircularly frequently though. May 10 09:53:05 why not just set a ssh null cipher? May 10 09:55:16 Hm. I don't think that's possible. May 10 09:55:51 I know you can select some less computationally expensive cipher, but I didn't think there's normally a "null" cipher enabled in openssh. May 10 09:55:53 unless you forbid it in sshd, it is May 10 09:58:54 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/54180 May 10 09:58:55 hehe May 10 10:00:12 maxd 1:0 wizzup May 10 10:01:53 Hm, interesting. May 10 10:01:56 pretty sure I've used it in the past May 10 10:02:00 but I'm not a ubuntu user, so May 10 10:02:29 might be that some distros played along users requests May 10 10:03:03 well, pick a weak cipher then :P May 10 10:04:55 last comment on that thread is a valid point May 10 10:15:59 and obviously, you arent required to run ssh based filetransfers, with rsync running rsyncd is enough May 10 10:57:45 Maxdamantus: is your n900 back to life? May 10 10:59:20 bencoh: mostly, apparently. May 10 10:59:26 yay :) May 10 10:59:30 "mostly"? May 10 10:59:40 I noticed it flicking on/off earlier today after turning the screen off. May 10 10:59:48 ah May 10 10:59:57 broken lockswitch maybe? May 10 11:00:08 Dunno. May 10 11:00:26 I wonder if it might be related to the fact that the slide gpio on the device has never worked as long as I've had it. May 10 11:00:34 slide gpio? May 10 11:00:41 display slide? May 10 11:00:48 For detecting that the keypad is in/out. May 10 11:00:50 yeah May 10 11:00:56 hmm ... dunno May 10 11:01:08 so is it always open or always closed? May 10 11:01:09 Dunno if that's a mechanical issue or not .. not sure how the mechanism works. May 10 11:01:21 it's a hall effect sensor iirc May 10 11:01:26 so no mechanics May 10 11:01:55 oh yeah, and the front hall sensor has never worked on it (again, as long as I've had it) May 10 11:02:05 maybe some super secret r&d factory operating nearby? May 10 11:03:26 # cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state May 10 11:03:29 open May 10 11:03:48 Same with proximity May 10 11:04:31 I can still see messages in the syslog indicating that it thinks the back cover state is changing sometimes when I flick the screen lock switch. May 10 11:05:43 Though I modified omap_hsmmc.ko to not block access to the SD card when that happens, and ke-recv seems to fail to unmount it luckily. May 10 11:05:57 Still messes with camera-ui. May 10 11:09:36 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch May 10 11:09:51 Sometimes changes between "closed" and "open" when locking/unlocking. May 10 11:12:39 right, I remember you patching it :) May 10 11:13:43 you could use camera-ui2 and patch it too May 10 11:13:56 Yeah, but that wasn't because I was having issues with the cover state. May 10 11:14:04 is gpio part of the kernel closed? May 10 11:14:15 because it looks like the best part to patch May 10 11:14:45 The main reason is because I use the SD card for swap, and don't want the device to go into a crazy state just because I take the back cover off. May 10 11:15:11 (and also, force removing a device at that level is just really stupid) May 10 11:15:17 ignore-gpio-changes kind of modification May 10 11:16:02 Well, I suspect the easiest fix would be to just mount static files over the sysfs nodes. May 10 11:16:34 since I'm pretty sure mce (and maybe ke-recv) just reads the states from sysfs. May 10 11:19:48 mount --bind /tmp/closed /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch May 10 11:20:14 # mount --bind /tmp/closed /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switcha May 10 11:21:14 er, double posted .. anyway, that seems to stop the unmount spam in syslog (/tmp/closed just has the contents "closed\n") May 10 11:21:27 wiki worthy May 10 11:22:18 Maybe, but it should be noted that it's only useful with the omap_hsmmc patch. May 10 11:22:47 put the patch/module there too May 10 11:22:50 since otherwise the kernel itself blocks access to the SD card when that cover switch changes anyway. May 10 11:25:13 I guess I'll just keep using this device for now. May 10 11:26:11 The one that I haven't used is still in very good condition. Might try to get a screen protector before using the display from it at least. May 10 12:30:39 Device will die and reboot to Nokia logo if swap is lost without unmounting. May 10 12:31:35 swapoff i should say May 10 12:35:41 I imagine that would just be because the watchdog process is likely to mess up at some point. May 10 12:37:02 I think if swap is suddenly lost, userspace is going to behave in very weird ways. I think processes would generally be killed when they try to access lost pages. May 10 13:00:50 it dies and reboots immediately Maxdamantus. May 10 13:09:00 sicelo: what detects it? May 10 13:12:45 no idea. never looked. doesn't system consider swap to be RAM, and therefore will panic when RAM disappears? May 10 13:13:07 more likely you had something system related swapped out May 10 13:18:19 Well, it's not RAM since the CPU can't address pages on a disk. May 10 13:20:02 and I doubt Linux's normal behaviour would be to panic just because the swap is gone. The obvious behaviour I can think of is if the kernel just kills processes which pagefault for inaccessible pages. May 10 13:21:05 Shouldn't be hard to test, but need to sleep now. May 10 13:26:14 ah, ok May 10 23:41:40 Is it possible currently to use information about towers in view to get a coarse estimation of location? And is it possible to use the coarse estimate to speed up GPS lock? May 10 23:43:52 How do I get "Operator Name" to display detailed information about cell tower to which I am connected? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 11 03:00:03 2018