**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 03:00:04 2018
Jul 04 15:24:13 <pirla> hello everyone
Jul 04 15:24:43 <pirla> just got a nokia n900 to try, how can I install debian (with no maemo) on it?
Jul 04 15:25:14 <KotCzarny> at this point you might as well go for maemo-leste
Jul 04 15:25:22 <pirla> what's that?
Jul 04 15:25:34 <KotCzarny> devuan for n900
Jul 04 15:25:46 <pirla> yes, how can i install it?
Jul 04 15:26:20 <KotCzarny> recent kernel etc, obviously not fully functional as a phone/pda yet
Jul 04 15:26:52 <KotCzarny> there was an img floating
Jul 04 15:27:13 <KotCzarny> https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900
Jul 04 15:27:58 <pirla> thx, checking out
Jul 04 15:30:19 <pirla> I see I need flasher, which isn't around from some time
Jul 04 15:30:28 <KotCzarny> it is
Jul 04 15:30:51 <KotCzarny> either 0xffff and flasher-3.5 is freely available
Jul 04 15:32:19 <pirla> where?
Jul 04 15:32:34 <KotCzarny> 0xffff is open source project
Jul 04 15:32:48 <KotCzarny> and old nokia binary is probably somewhere around:
Jul 04 15:32:49 <KotCzarny> ~flasher
Jul 04 15:32:50 <infobot> refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 04 15:37:50 <pirla> Thanks again, I downloaded it
Jul 04 15:38:08 <pirla> now, I see I have to type a dd command, what's the correct syntax?
Jul 04 15:38:21 <KotCzarny> read the page i've linked
Jul 04 15:38:29 <KotCzarny> there are descriptions/instructions
Jul 04 15:39:30 <pirla> I can't find instructions
Jul 04 15:39:34 <Juesto> man dd
Jul 04 15:39:49 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jul 04 15:39:51 <KotCzarny> ok
Jul 04 15:40:29 <KotCzarny> xz -dc file.img.xz | dd bs=1M >/dev/yourmmcdevice
Jul 04 15:40:46 <pirla> I tried dd maemo-whatever /path to sd/
Jul 04 15:41:04 <KotCzarny> no, path to sd is filesystem
Jul 04 15:41:11 <KotCzarny> you need to write to block device
Jul 04 15:41:30 <pirla> sorry, can't understand
Jul 04 15:41:52 <Juesto> ok, you seem to need a gnu/linux lessons before
Jul 04 15:41:53 <pirla> oh I see
Jul 04 15:41:56 <KotCzarny> example, /dev/sdj might be block device
Jul 04 15:42:01 <pirla> I need to put there the /dev
Jul 04 15:42:13 <Juesto> you need to know what's your target file
Jul 04 15:42:23 <KotCzarny> but if you mount /dev/sdj4 /some/path it will mount filesystem from 4th partition of sdj at given path
Jul 04 15:42:27 <Juesto> dd needs if= and of=
Jul 04 15:42:51 <KotCzarny> and since you are new to this, better watch out, you can wipe some other drive if you dont know what you are doing
Jul 04 15:43:17 <KotCzarny>  /dev/sdj* above was obviously some random example
Jul 04 15:43:31 <KotCzarny> you have to know what you are going to overwrite before you do it
Jul 04 15:44:00 <KotCzarny> juesto: wrong
Jul 04 15:44:26 <Juesto> And i suggest going with a computer and such, n900 gui is kind of best for the device especially when you dont know about technical stuff
Jul 04 15:44:44 <Juesto> KotCzarny: Depends on dd version
Jul 04 15:44:50 <pirla> yes, I know thanks. I just can't really understand how dd works
Jul 04 15:44:51 <KotCzarny> no. any version.
Jul 04 15:44:56 <Juesto> :/
Jul 04 15:45:04 <Juesto> again, see man dd
Jul 04 15:45:15 <KotCzarny> in the line i've written above specifying if= would be wrong
Jul 04 15:45:23 <KotCzarny> unless you would use if=/dev/stdin
Jul 04 15:47:35 <Juesto> ah ok
Jul 04 15:47:38 <Juesto> but of= is correct :p
Jul 04 15:47:50 <KotCzarny> its optional
Jul 04 15:47:53 <Juesto> hm
Jul 04 15:48:03 <Juesto> again, depends on version, sort of
Jul 04 15:48:08 <KotCzarny> again, wrong
Jul 04 15:48:13 <Juesto> it doesnt really accept just "filename"
Jul 04 15:48:38 <KotCzarny> in this example it writes to /dev/stdout which is redirected to /dev/yourmmcdevice
Jul 04 15:49:08 <Juesto> i see, thanks
Jul 04 15:51:41 <pirla> So, I just dd-ed the img on the sd
Jul 04 15:56:39 <pirla> now what?
Jul 04 15:56:49 <KotCzarny> see the forum link from that page
Jul 04 15:56:59 <KotCzarny> dd the image to an sd card. Then boot from the sd card using either 0xFFFF/flasher-3.5 or u-boot/bootmenu: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 
Jul 04 15:57:19 <KotCzarny> or read how to boot using flasher booting mode
Jul 04 15:57:31 <pirla> how do I boot from sd? do I need to do this on phone or on pc?
Jul 04 15:58:00 <KotCzarny> depends, do you have uboot/bootmenu currently?
Jul 04 15:58:26 <KotCzarny> if not, i guess you can just take kernel+ramdisk and boot with flasher in one-time mode
Jul 04 15:58:30 <pirla> no, but I saw there's another bootloader in
Jul 04 15:58:40 <pirla> give me just 2 minutes
Jul 04 15:58:41 <KotCzarny> you will also need proper linux cmdline i guess
Jul 04 15:58:57 <pirla> yes, I'm on stretch
Jul 04 16:00:14 <pirla> I have nitdroid bootloader
Jul 04 16:00:47 <KotCzarny> i guess you would have to read how to add another kernel+ramdisk+params combo to it
Jul 04 16:01:12 <pirla> really? I just want Debian, nothing more
Jul 04 16:01:38 <KotCzarny> then if you have pc available, just boot it via flasher
Jul 04 16:01:51 <pirla> how?
Jul 04 16:02:02 <Juesto> it says in the instructions....
Jul 04 16:02:25 <pirla> if I try to launch flasher I get a non-existent file/folder error
Jul 04 16:02:55 <KotCzarny> you need proper params, running things blindly wouldnt help
Jul 04 16:03:32 <pirla> do I really need a phd to run debian on my phone?
Jul 04 16:03:47 <KotCzarny> no, but you should know what you are doing
Jul 04 16:03:57 <pirla> almost, 50-50
Jul 04 16:04:17 <Juesto> 50-50 is not enough
Jul 04 16:04:18 <pirla> I just can't understand how to "boot from flasher"
Jul 04 16:04:24 <Juesto> Read
Jul 04 16:04:40 <KotCzarny> https://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt
Jul 04 16:04:48 <KotCzarny> it's an example from rescueos
Jul 04 16:05:01 <KotCzarny> you can see params there, which will be different in your case
Jul 04 16:05:22 <Juesto> is there a official documentation or manpage for it?
Jul 04 16:05:24 <KotCzarny> root will be probably /dev/mmcblk0 or something
Jul 04 16:05:51 <KotCzarny> and kernel/ramdisk filenames you have to extract to your pc from that img or tar
Jul 04 16:06:08 <KotCzarny> s/filenames/files
Jul 04 16:08:22 <pirla> I can't understand what are you saying
Jul 04 16:08:34 <pirla> what does "boot from flasher" mean?
Jul 04 16:08:43 <pirla> I have to connect my phone to pc?
Jul 04 16:08:47 <KotCzarny> yes
Jul 04 16:08:50 <pirla> ok
Jul 04 16:09:00 <pirla> Do I need to press u?
Jul 04 16:09:29 <KotCzarny> i suspect the usual flasher instruction applies. although important change is adding -b param to boot instead of flashing
Jul 04 16:20:12 <pirla> excuse me, why can't I execute flasher? it exits with a "non existent file/folder" error
Jul 04 16:20:32 <KotCzarny> paste the error message
Jul 04 16:20:45 <pirla> root@DESKTOP-K6M1K7O:~/Scaricati/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2# ./flasher-3.5 --help bash: ./flasher-3.5: File o directory non esistente
Jul 04 16:20:49 <Juesto> pirla: make sure you're writing the correct commandline
Jul 04 16:21:03 <Juesto> Because the file is not in there
Jul 04 16:21:11 <KotCzarny> maybe you need 32bit compatibility libs
Jul 04 16:21:16 <Juesto> if its there then you need to run bash ./flasher-3.5
Jul 04 16:21:18 <pirla> yes, you're right
Jul 04 16:21:23 <pirla> I need 32 bit lib
Jul 04 16:21:30 <Juesto> did you try chmod +x to the file?
Jul 04 16:21:44 <pirla> yes
Jul 04 16:21:51 <Juesto> still doesnt run?
Jul 04 16:21:52 <Juesto> hm
Jul 04 16:22:39 <pirla> I'm on a 64 bit Debian Stretch
Jul 04 16:22:58 <KotCzarny> you will probably have to install libusb0-32bit or something
Jul 04 16:23:21 <pirla> better: I did an apt-get install 0xffff
Jul 04 16:23:33 <KotCzarny> that should be better option, yes
Jul 04 16:24:00 <pirla> Ok, so when running I get a nothing to do
Jul 04 16:24:40 <KotCzarny> params?
Jul 04 16:25:01 <pirla> I'm checking what could I need from the -help
Jul 04 16:38:59 <pirla> Summary: I have the phone in upload mode, I also have the usb icon on the topright
Jul 04 16:39:19 <pirla> now, what should I type in order to flash my image?
Jul 04 16:39:41 <pirla> I have leste flashed to the sd
Jul 04 16:40:09 <KotCzarny> did you extract kernel, ramdisk from the sdcard?
Jul 04 16:40:22 <pirla> Don't know, I did a dd
Jul 04 16:40:42 <KotCzarny> yes, to write sdcard, but to boot from pc you should copy them out
Jul 04 16:40:50 <pirla> pc?
Jul 04 16:42:15 <KotCzarny> where do you run the flasher?
Jul 04 16:42:24 <pirla> on pc
Jul 04 16:43:23 <pirla> ok, so I'm redownloading the image
Jul 04 16:43:28 <KotCzarny> what for?
Jul 04 16:43:35 <KotCzarny> just eject the card and put into pc
Jul 04 16:43:45 <pirla> I erased it because I didn't knew it was required again
Jul 04 16:44:51 <pirla> ok, getting everything from sd
Jul 04 16:46:16 <pirla> uimage and zimage
Jul 04 16:53:08 <pirla> Ok, now I have a folder named debian in my home, I have to launch 0xffff
Jul 04 16:53:13 <pirla> what should I type?
Jul 04 16:53:27 <pirla> I copyed everything from sd
Jul 04 16:58:46 <pirla> Here's the output of -I:
Jul 04 16:59:08 <pirla> root@DESKTOP-K6M1K7O:~/debian# 0xFFFF -I 0xFFFF v0.7  // Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher  Not a local device  Waiting for USB device...   Found USB device: SU-18/RX-44/RX-48/RX-51/RM-680/RM-696 (0x421:0x105) in NOLO mode USB device product string: Nokia N900 (Update mode) USB device serial number string: MUM415144 Detected USB device: RX-51              Initializing NOLO... Device: RX-51 HW revision: 2101 NOLO version: 1.4.14 Kernel v
Jul 04 17:00:15 <pirla> Initfs version: (not detected) Software release version: RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 Content eMMC version: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA Root device: flash USB host mode: disabled R&D mode: disabled
Jul 04 17:07:02 <pirla> please
Jul 04 17:08:29 <pirla> anyone?
Jul 04 17:10:28 <KotCzarny> https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1540874&postcount=7
Jul 04 17:10:30 <KotCzarny> maybe this one
Jul 04 17:13:34 <pirla> Yes, thanks! Works
Jul 04 17:13:37 <pirla> Wow!
Jul 04 17:13:53 <pirla> Can't wait to give this a ride. Thank you everyone.
Jul 04 17:13:55 <pirla> bye
Jul 04 18:44:01 <pirla> Hello everyone
Jul 04 18:45:31 <pirla> Now what?
Jul 04 18:45:32 <pirla> I have a leste system running on my N900 Nokia
Jul 04 18:46:03 <pirla> I only have settings, x terminal and tana_ap_user
Jul 04 18:46:05 <pirla> as apps
Jul 04 18:47:33 <KotCzarny> you have terminal, you have working x, what do you need more?
Jul 04 18:47:53 <pirla> apps?
Jul 04 18:48:33 <KotCzarny> apt-get install ?
Jul 04 18:48:46 <pirla> Yes, but I don't have networking wifi
Jul 04 18:49:47 <KotCzarny> wpa_supplicant + dhclient/dhcpcd ?
Jul 04 18:50:24 <pirla> Yes, but with which network?
Jul 04 18:50:43 <pirla> I can't physically connect my phone to wifi
Jul 04 18:50:58 <KotCzarny> are you really asking me what wireless ssid you have?
Jul 04 18:51:07 <pirla> no
Jul 04 18:51:25 <pirla> my net hw is not working on my phone
Jul 04 18:51:59 <KotCzarny> you mean you dont have 2.4ghz or something else is the problem?
Jul 04 18:52:09 <pirla> it's like the driver is missing
Jul 04 18:53:35 <KotCzarny> wireless should work
Jul 04 18:55:01 <pirla> tried issuing wpa-supplicant and wpa_supplicant, both don't exist
Jul 04 18:55:18 <KotCzarny> hmm, maybe it's added later, image is from april
Jul 04 18:56:02 <KotCzarny> wizzup: ping
Jul 04 18:56:03 <pirla> But is it ok I just have settings and terminal, with nothing else?
Jul 04 18:56:14 <KotCzarny> yeah, it's pre-alpha state
Jul 04 18:57:11 <pirla> Nevermind, sudo was needed. Know from #maemo-leste
Jul 04 18:57:21 <pirla> I'm gonna be there now
Jul 04 19:00:02 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: pong
Jul 04 19:00:17 <Wizzup> I replied
Jul 04 19:00:35 <KotCzarny> yeah, thanks for that
Jul 04 19:01:37 <Wizzup> he quit though
Jul 04 19:04:08 <KotCzarny> new kids dont know how to use irc
Jul 04 20:08:47 <sicelo> anniversary. i bought my N900 on this day in 2011 :)
Jul 04 20:11:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 04 20:11:44 <KotCzarny> i dont remember exact date of mine
Jul 04 20:13:07 <sicelo> i had lusted after if for months
Jul 04 20:14:03 <sicelo> s/if/it/
Jul 04 20:14:04 <infobot> sicelo meant: i had lusted after it for months
Jul 04 20:40:27 <KotCzarny> bencoh: hmm, mirrors.muarf.org (78.192.65.63) seems to be down
Jul 04 20:42:14 <Juesto> Wizzup: wow, how mean. he was here before as you can see.... 
Jul 04 21:01:28 <bencoh> KotCzarny: the "official" one is maemo.muarf.org
Jul 04 21:01:34 <bencoh> but yeah I know :(
Jul 04 21:03:15 <KotCzarny> i must fix my sources.list then, hrm
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