**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 10 03:00:02 2018
Jul 10 07:21:13 <Vajb> just for the hint. I've been wondering why my device has become sluggish and now i realised that I had logging enabled in pidgin and it had gathered around 200mb of logs. Deleted those and it seems to be solved.
Jul 10 07:22:45 <KotCzarny> you talk a lot
Jul 10 07:26:51 <sicelo> :D
Jul 10 07:48:30 <Vajb> it's been awhile :p
Jul 10 07:49:07 <Vajb> also i have few "noisy" groups
Jul 10 08:27:39 <sicelo> you log in html or txt?
Jul 10 08:47:12 <Vajb> must be also that. Html
Jul 10 12:05:17 <sicelo> i wonder if meego 1.3 ce images for N900 are still available somewhere
Jul 10 12:22:40 <bencoh> I kinda remember trying it, probably download from nemomobie
Jul 10 12:22:50 <bencoh> or from some mirror
Jul 10 12:23:02 <bencoh> downloaded* nemomobile*
Jul 10 12:32:50 <sicelo> found them, 
Jul 10 12:33:08 <sicelo> repository.maemo.org in fact :)
Jul 10 12:45:15 <bencoh> hm, indeed
Jul 10 12:45:22 <bencoh> although I couldn't find 1.3 there
Jul 10 18:56:02 <Kabouik_> Seems proxy.sh IPs are getting banned by TMO. Is that final? I'm not a spambot.
Jul 10 18:58:00 <KotCzarny> but others using them are
Jul 10 19:44:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Kabouik_: it's a RBL thing that sucks BIG TIME in tmo, like "WHY THE HECK do you böock *READING*???"
Jul 10 19:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> any spambot can't do shit to tmo unless going rhrough registration/login page which should be the ONLy ONE page with RBL control
Jul 10 19:45:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I might discuss if "search" should get protected to, for the computational overhead it triggers
Jul 10 19:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> too*
Jul 10 19:46:25 <KotCzarny> you are wrong
Jul 10 19:46:33 <KotCzarny> registeration can be done from random ip
Jul 10 19:46:49 <KotCzarny> but reading should be allowed
Jul 10 19:46:49 <DocScrutinizer05> but as skilled and savvy as our sysops and admins usually are, they seem to fail epically on this particular topic
Jul 10 19:47:47 <sicelo> does the forum software have features for that?
Jul 10 19:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> prrof for failure in administration: similar shite not seen anywhere else
Jul 10 19:49:39 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: nfc, I'd bet it has, since it's nothing particularly special, it's a off-the-shelf BB software
Jul 10 19:50:17 <DocScrutinizer05> when a bazillion other fora can do it, why can't we?
Jul 10 19:51:25 <DocScrutinizer05> KotCzarny: please come again, you arived totally garbled
Jul 10 19:55:19 <sixwheeledbeast> I get the feeling from conversations I have had there is concern due to the old and mostly unknown software. So higher risk IP's are just blocked as there are limited resources for monitoring it regularly.
Jul 10 19:56:25 <DocScrutinizer05> what is it? phpBB?
Jul 10 19:56:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I think we should get an update
Jul 10 19:58:09 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8<<
Jul 10 19:59:14 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.vbulletin.com/  version5 now
Jul 10 20:02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> around 250 bucks which maemo should be able to afford
Jul 10 20:03:11 <Kabouik_> Thanks for the answers. Well it's sad, proxy.sh is a good VPN service and all VPN users are not spambots. I do understand that there is no better solution, but it's a bit like throwing the baby with the bathwater.
Jul 10 20:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> the "OHNOES 10 bucks??? but we have devels that could do something better in less than 6 months" is a red herring
Jul 10 20:03:48 <KotCzarny> Kabouik_: btw.:
Jul 10 20:03:51 <KotCzarny> ~unbanip
Jul 10 20:03:51 <infobot> methinks unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it
Jul 10 20:04:49 <Kabouik_> But it's a VPN, my IP will change every day, I suppose the whole block would need to be unbanned, which would defeat the point if spambots are on the same block
Jul 10 20:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal unbanip
Jul 10 20:05:07 <infobot> "#maemo unbanip" is "please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it"
Jul 10 20:05:20 <KotCzarny> grab some paid vpn/proxy?
Jul 10 20:05:24 <Kabouik_> It's paid
Jul 10 20:05:25 <KotCzarny> public ones are prone to abuse
Jul 10 20:05:32 <Kabouik_> Which is why I'm a bit sad about this massive ban.
Jul 10 20:05:49 <KotCzarny> maybe it's still too cheap for some spammers
Jul 10 20:05:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo unbanip is also tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam
Jul 10 20:05:57 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jul 10 20:06:08 <Kabouik_> Yeah probably but then I'm not going to go for the expensive ones just because they are not attractive
Jul 10 20:06:26 <KotCzarny> why not just connect direct/
Jul 10 20:06:44 <DocScrutinizer05> why not fix this bullshit?
Jul 10 20:07:05 <Kabouik_> I'm living abroad and use IPs in my home country to watch georestricted stuff 
Jul 10 20:08:03 <KotCzarny> maemo sites shouldnt be georestricted
Jul 10 20:08:25 <Kabouik_> No Maemo isn't but I have only one IP at a time
Jul 10 20:08:32 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo sites are doing evil, relying on RBL for blocking *reading* 
Jul 10 20:09:08 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no sane rationale for that
Jul 10 20:09:32 <DocScrutinizer05> using a VPN is recommended best practice for privacy
Jul 10 20:09:51 <Kabouik_> Reading would be an improvement DocScrutinizer05, but in fact I would be frustrated too if I couldn't post. But again, I'm not complaining, I did witness these spambots on TMO and that was bad. But it's really frustrating that there's no more selective solution in place. Wouldn't it be possible to have a recaptcha at registration? Is recaptcha already outdated?
Jul 10 20:10:10 <KotCzarny> Kabouik_: still, if the ips are still in some tight range, it might be worth a try to try and unban them
Jul 10 20:10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Kabouik_: no idea
Jul 10 20:10:36 <Kabouik_> I have no idea, I'll send my IP to chem|st just in case
Jul 10 20:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> even IFF you encounter "DoS" from massive reading via VPN, you handle that by a time limited fail2ban entry
Jul 10 20:13:59 <DocScrutinizer05> again, I don't see similar complaints about similar practices on any other arbitrary fora
Jul 10 20:14:57 <DocScrutinizer05> hell, PrivateInternetAccess sponsors Neo900, yet PIA IPs are blocked on tmo
Jul 10 20:15:32 <DocScrutinizer05> which makes me ponmder that I can't keep Neo900 affiliation to maemo
Jul 10 20:16:42 <DocScrutinizer05> how does that smell, to recommend using PIA on tmo, and when you do you can't use tmo anymore
Jul 10 20:17:01 <DocScrutinizer05> >:-(
Jul 10 20:18:18 <DocScrutinizer05> but alas chem|st doesn't see *any* problem in all this, and doesn't even want to consider how to solve the issue
Jul 10 20:20:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvlues tmo rbl
Jul 10 20:20:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues tmo rbl
Jul 10 20:20:59 <infobot> Factoid search of 'tmo rbl' by value returned no results.
Jul 10 20:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues tmo*rbl
Jul 10 20:21:07 <infobot> Factoid search of 'tmo*rbl' by value (1): #maemo unbanip.
Jul 10 20:21:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unbanip
Jul 10 20:21:22 <infobot> rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam
Jul 10 20:23:42 * DocScrutinizer05 already pondered to set up an open proxy that forwards to tmo exclusively, on neo900.org
Jul 10 20:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> but then... WAAAAAAHGRRRRRR!
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