**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 16 03:00:01 2018 Jul 16 14:38:09 Hurrian: SODIMM question? Jul 16 22:21:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKLBSwdSMH4 experimental jazz meets apnoe Jul 17 00:54:09 Heh, apparently Kingston has discontinued earlier-than-DDR3 SDRAM modules. I wonder if this means that the lifetime warranty for the DDR1 and DDR2 modules I am still using is now worthless because Kingston can no longer provide a replacement for DDR2 and earlier modules? Jul 17 01:36:27 They probably have some in a backroom somewhere, manufacturers typically reserve some stock for replacements Jul 17 01:36:41 But might take a month+ for them to find and ship it to you Jul 17 02:09:32 Hurrian: Maybe. That makes sense. What about my SODIMM question? Jul 17 02:12:36 nope, the first few Intel integrated memory controllers (especially on laptops) were a bit flaky, so they don't support gigantic DIMMs Jul 17 02:12:57 1st gen Nehalem was really bad at this, crashed and burned with 8GB sodimms Jul 17 02:13:16 2nd gen Sandy Bridge, which is what's in your laptop, only supports up to 8GB SODIMM Jul 17 02:13:37 if your CPU is socketed and you can upgrade to Ivy Bridge, you can use a 16GB SODIMM Jul 17 02:22:46 Hurrian: It is the notebook computer of my father, not of me. I use only desktop and handheld computers, not something in between. Can I tell from the software if the CPU is socketed? Maybe from the package type? I guess if it is some form of BGA then it is soldered on their motherboard but if it is some form of PGA or LGA then it may be socketed? Does the motherboard firmware have to support the CPU released after the model of computer was released? Jul 17 02:23:34 s/their/the/ Jul 17 02:23:34 brolin_empey meant: Hurrian: It is the notebook computer of my father, not of me. I use only desktop and handheld computers, not something in between. Can I tell from the software if the CPU is socketed? Maybe from the package type? I guess if it is some form of BGA then... Jul 17 02:23:56 Typically if you have a microcode update in your BIOS released after Ivy Bridge came out, you'll have support for the newer CPUs Jul 17 02:27:04 Hurrian: I intentionally said “motherboard firmware” instead of “BIOS” because this computer uses EFI, not BIOS. Anyway, can I tell from the software if the CPU is socketed? Jul 17 02:27:36 no, that core i5 CPU was available in both BGA and PGA form factors, you'll have to check by opening it up Jul 17 02:33:13 Hurrian: I could check if System Information Viewer or CPU-Z or similar shows the package type/form factor but my father has rebooted the computer into GNU+Linux because he usually uses GNU+Linux and was only temporarily running Windows. Jul 17 02:48:50 Hurrian: I ran lshw as root on GNU+Linux. Apparently the motherboard firmware is from Phoenix Technologies and is dated 2011‑11‑21. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 17 03:00:03 2018