**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 29 03:00:00 2018 Jul 29 11:13:23 Oksanaa: If you cannot fix the software yourself then you should probably make your suggestions to the projects in question, such as on their issue tracker if they have one, instead of to this channel. Jul 29 11:21:06 It would update within an hour of connection anyway? I would prefer it to be an option myself as if your wlan or data is patchy updating everytime is just eating battery Jul 29 14:12:48 I think I should finally take my retired, bulging smartphone batteries to a recycling depot because I just noticed today that one of my retired Galaxy Note 3 batteries has become extremely bulgy while sitting on the shelf in my apartment without air conditioning during the summer. The temperature in my apartment this summer has reached at least 30°C. Jul 29 21:20:00 What web browsers exist for maemo that are hildon-ised? And don't give the same "no common encryption algorithm(s)" error that MicroB does. Jul 29 21:20:17 Preferably Qt-free and Python-free. Jul 29 21:23:35 none Jul 29 21:25:29 there aren't even non-hildonised ones afaik. of all n900/maemo problems in this day & age, browsing is the worst of them all Jul 29 21:26:29 i use opera-mobile, fennec17/thumb, & microb. sometimes one of the works for a given site when the other(s) don't. then at times all don't Jul 29 21:26:56 s/of the/of them/ Jul 29 21:27:23 the qt-based ones could actually work assuming you rebuild qt against a newer openssl version Jul 29 21:28:45 or you could use an http(s) proxy, compiled against a recent openssl version as well Jul 29 21:28:59 (that would work even with microb) Jul 29 21:33:56 Fennec17 I have as well, but it's very slow. And I don't think it works around this particular problem. Jul 29 21:35:49 bencoh : a browser doesn't have to be qt-based to be re-built against the latest openssl. Just, MicroB is too old to be the one that gets the re-build. Not unless this re-build would include a newer version of Gecko-Goanna engine, as well - and it would be massive work. Jul 29 21:36:04 How would proxy work for https? Jul 29 21:43:37 jonwil has done the hard work for getting TLS 1.2 to work for Qt. MicroB is not that simple. Jul 29 21:44:07 Wikiwide: the N900 is very slow in my experience, which is part of the reason I stopped using it. Jul 29 21:46:36 I took the bulging smartphone batteries to my local recycling depot. The man working there seemed to not care that the batteries were bulging. I recorded a video of the batteries to show how bulgy they are because it seemed difficult to show with a still image. Jul 29 21:48:24 https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100352 Jul 29 21:48:46 How do you run scp from bash if the destination file name contains parentheses? I could not quickly find the answer so I worked around the problem by copying to a temporary remote file name without parentheses, then renaming the destination file on the remote host. Jul 29 21:53:01 I would expect you could escape them like whitespace? Jul 29 21:54:13 or enclose in single quotes? Jul 29 22:05:49 sixwheeledbeast: I thought so too but neither of those ideas worked. Now, hours later, I realised that bash may have a way to specify a character by its numeric value/code point specified as a string, like “‑” for U+2011 in HTML. Jul 29 22:08:51 x being hex value? Jul 29 22:12:23 I suppose it would be sensible for chars like that not to be used in filenames in the first place. but that can be out of your control. Jul 29 22:22:40 sixwheeledbeast: Yes, the ‘x’ indicates that the following value is in hexadecimal. Without qualification, the following value is interpreted as decimal. And yes, I agree that it is easier to avoid using these special characters in file names if feasible. I ended up renaming the file on the destination/remote host to use only “normal” characters instead of using parentheses. Jul 29 22:31:33 http://brolin.be/graphics/bulging_smartphone_batteries_-_Geeksphone_Revolution_and_Samsung_Galaxy_Note_3.mp4 Jul 29 23:24:27 sixwheeledbeast : MicroB is not ever simple, be it upgrade of Gecko-Goanna, or upgrade of openssl, or whatever. Jul 29 23:25:37 brolin_empey : It would not be so slow if... Websites weren't so bloated. Ikiwiki is simple enough to load just fine. Internet banking website loads mostly fine, but JavaScript makes it extra slow. Jul 29 23:27:27 brolin_empey : I think that battery collectors collect any batteries - rusty, leaking, bulging, whichever chemistry - and then carry them by land, not air, to wherever they sort and recycle them. Jul 30 00:41:40 Oksanaa: I meant that the N900 is generally too slow, not only for Web browsing. The cellular data connection on the N900 in Canada is so slow that it is practically unusable for Web browsing even if the computer is sufficiently fast. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 30 03:00:00 2018