**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 14 03:00:00 2018 Oct 14 05:02:19 i use eqonomize for my personal accounting. it's leaner than gnucash Oct 14 05:10:55 'sc' is a really light spreadsheet for terminal Oct 14 06:51:13 Apparently I have around 1 690 CAD of expenses per month. Oct 14 07:38:44 brolin_empey: that sounds like a lot, but then again I don't know the value of that currency Oct 14 07:39:03 a bit less than usd Oct 14 07:39:11 ~10-20% Oct 14 07:40:21 mkay, it's still significant amount of moneys Oct 14 07:40:36 i just usually drop the currency and compare amount Oct 14 07:40:48 because both earnings and prices are related Oct 14 07:41:09 ie. you can buy similar amount for similar amount of currency Oct 14 07:41:17 yup true Oct 14 07:41:34 ie. you earn 2000some currency and spend half of that on life Oct 14 07:45:28 (with earning is being related to the job, and can go up 5-10 times in IT) Oct 14 17:25:51 KotCzarny: Don't you eventually end up spending 100% of your earnings? (Unless you've been careful, and organised fixed payments into a pension fund.) Oct 14 17:26:32 depends, in current inflationatory economy, yeah Oct 14 17:26:49 it's made as a good you perceive to 'have', but it's fleeting Oct 14 17:27:02 * sparre finds it hard to save up 50% of his income. Oct 14 17:27:45 either you earn very little or you spend too much Oct 14 17:27:48 hi! Oct 14 17:27:59 I manage some years, but generally I'm closer to using 100%. Oct 14 17:28:23 ceene: Spend too much (its costly to be married ;-) Oct 14 17:28:28 easiest to do is to get an envelope and put something from your every paycheck there Oct 14 17:28:49 (hard to do with electronic moneys, but you can always pay out in papers) Oct 14 17:28:54 ceene: I make 130 kEUR a good year. Oct 14 17:28:56 here in Spain, at least in big cities, most of the cost goes to house payment, either mortgage or rent Oct 14 17:29:00 lol Oct 14 17:29:14 i make 30kEUR before taxes Oct 14 17:29:24 i would be a god with 130kEUR Oct 14 17:29:53 i save around 50% yearly Oct 14 17:30:11 I know. I lived in Italy when I was younger, and lived quite well on ~35 kEUR/year. Oct 14 17:30:28 of course since I live with my partner it helps paying the house Oct 14 17:30:47 it's not the same 700EUR for one person than the same amount to pay with 2 salaries Oct 14 17:30:53 That helps indeed. Oct 14 17:31:15 rent for the same apartment i had a couple years ago costs now ~900 Oct 14 17:31:33 we're in the process of the next bubble Oct 14 17:31:56 My wife and I both try to work only part-time, so we can have more time with our daughter, but it does cost a bit on the income. Oct 14 17:32:12 time is money Oct 14 17:32:27 oh, that indeed takes a bite on the income Oct 14 17:32:29 true as humanity Oct 14 17:32:32 Definitely bubble time again, but it is hard to estimate when it bursts. Oct 14 17:33:37 Having a PhD and knowing Ada well helps a bit on my hourly rate. :-) Oct 14 17:33:53 lol Oct 14 17:34:11 are you saying you earn the living with Ada ? Oct 14 17:34:25 Yes. Oct 14 17:34:33 amazing. Oct 14 17:34:53 i'm trying to earn my phd Oct 14 17:35:00 i'd like to end up in university Oct 14 17:35:10 basically a poor income but lots of free time Oct 14 17:35:15 doesnt earning a phd requires being in uni already? Oct 14 17:35:27 -s Oct 14 17:35:47 nope Oct 14 17:35:53 nice Oct 14 17:36:13 you need a doctor from the university to direct your thesis and investigation Oct 14 17:36:22 I wanted to land a university job too, when I was younger, but the current level of funding for research at the Danish universities helped me change my mind. Oct 14 17:36:24 but you don't have to be near them, nor the university has to pay you anything Oct 14 17:37:13 here it depends a lot on the university itself, even on the same university, the one I'm related to, Telecommunications is one of the biggest in terms of financing Oct 14 17:37:46 KotCzarny: At the moment I mostly work on a warehouse control and management system used by (among others) all the big Danish supermarket chains. Oct 14 17:38:10 and they use Ada Oct 14 17:38:13 that's more amazing even Oct 14 17:38:17 truly Oct 14 17:38:51 That application was changed from C to Ada around 1992. Oct 14 17:40:31 it becomes more amazing with every line you type Oct 14 17:40:34 They hadn't treated it as well as I would have liked them to, when I was hired by to development company, but we've managed to turn it into a pretty reliable and maintainable system over the last two years. Oct 14 17:42:05 One of the less amazing things is that Heineken uses it too, but is going to stop next year because the Benelux divisison of the company refuses to support them. Oct 14 17:44:30 (The director of the Benelux division has been changed, but I don't think it will change their mind at Heineken. Bad/lacking support is extremely costly for warehouses.) Oct 14 17:46:54 When I get a call at 2AM in the morning, I may have up to 150 people standing still and waiting for me to get the warehouse running again. Fortunately a better use of our tools - and basic stuff like automated test execution - has reduced the number of those calls dramatically. Oct 14 17:48:19 There's nothing like knowing that *you* will get a call in the middle of the night, to keep you from making mistakes you know how to avoid. Oct 14 17:48:43 i was thiking the other day about the warehouse management systems that places like Amazon or Ikea or Farnell must have Oct 14 17:49:30 The one Ikea has at their main warehouses is written in C. Also provided by my client. Oct 14 17:50:42 The R&D division for the C WMS is more than 10 times as large as that for the Ada WMS, and we're still close to feature parity. Oct 14 17:51:26 warehousing in general sounds boring, but thinking about these large scale systems make it pretty interesting Oct 14 17:52:27 Much of it is pretty trivial, but it gets better, when you can ask a 27 m tall crane to move a pallet around for you. :-) Oct 14 17:52:58 There are also some interesting real-time issues here and there. Oct 14 17:53:43 we use an excel sheet to keep track of electronic componentes :D Oct 14 17:53:55 :-) Oct 14 17:54:28 I'm not much better, when it comes to my LEGO collection. Oct 14 17:56:44 But I'm thinking of using my LEGO collection as an excuse to write a new WMS from scratch, incorporating all the things I've figured out can be done better, after working in the area for a few years. Oct 14 17:57:59 (sorry about hijacking the discussion) Oct 14 17:58:12 lego parts at least seem very easily descriptable (is that a word?) Oct 14 17:58:43 "describable"? Oct 14 17:58:56 Yes. They all have part numbers. Oct 14 17:59:01 yes, that Oct 14 17:59:08 descriptible in spanish Oct 14 17:59:20 Some of the bluish colours can be a nightmare to distinguish. Oct 14 18:00:55 * sparre has talked a bit to LEGO about automated picking for their individual brick ordering service. Oct 14 18:01:35 There are some tricky issues, but it looks like most of the technology is ready for it. Oct 14 18:02:31 well, pick and place technology is very good, at least for electronic components Oct 14 18:03:08 around 10 or 15 parts per second Oct 14 18:03:48 gonna see some tv with the family, cya! Oct 14 18:07:22 nice story there sparre! Oct 14 18:30:10 Grabbing LEGO pieces out of a container is hard - even if you only have a single part & colour per container. Oct 14 18:31:18 ceene: But you grab electronic components from fixed positions on a sheet/tape, not from a randomly packaged box. Or? Oct 14 18:35:48 I don't think the grabbers I've seen would be able to manage more than 1 part/second. And then we're talking about ~6k part+colour combinations, so I imagine that optimal picking for an actual LEGO facility will require quite complex scheduling - or maybe just rethinking how things are done. Oct 14 19:10:45 sparre: yes, components come conviniently packaged for pick & place machines Oct 14 19:10:58 conveniently Oct 14 19:11:57 but i would say that most lego pieces can be shuffled and ordered by simple mechanical means (i.e. vibrating, etc) Oct 14 19:51:46 They can. But having 6000 hoppers on stand-by for pick-on-demand is simply too big an investment. That's what they do on the ordinary production lines, and it works quite well and is quite cost-effective there. Oct 14 19:53:10 (Not that they have 6000 hoppers, but they use them to package parts for ordinary sets.) Oct 14 20:04:45 Good night. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 03:00:01 2018