**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 03:00:01 2018
Oct 15 06:30:19 <bencoh> hey there ... does supl.nokia.com works properly for you, or did it change/break again?
Oct 15 08:42:21 <sicelo> it has finally vansiedd off the face of the earth 
Oct 15 08:42:35 <bencoh> seriously? :/
Oct 15 08:42:44 <bencoh> do we have any replacement in progress?
Oct 15 08:43:02 <sicelo> yup. see last few posts in tmo post about a-gps
Oct 15 08:43:06 <bencoh> ah :)
Oct 15 08:43:51 <bencoh> hmm, where was that again
Oct 15 08:44:19 <sicelo> some say supl.google.com works for them, but i am skeptical
Oct 15 08:44:30 <bencoh> I never saw it work tbh
Oct 15 08:44:40 <bencoh> (not with location-daemon, that is)
Oct 15 08:44:41 <sixwheeledbeast> netiher have i
Oct 15 08:44:57 <bencoh> we could maybe proxy it
Oct 15 08:45:23 <KotCzarny> ping to that host works
Oct 15 08:45:27 <sicelo> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651
Oct 15 08:45:45 <KotCzarny> 64 bytes from lh-in-f192.1e100.net (64.233.161.192): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=25.6 ms
Oct 15 08:46:06 <sicelo> what host is that?
Oct 15 08:46:24 <KotCzarny> supl.google.com
Oct 15 08:46:25 <KotCzarny> darn.
Oct 15 08:46:28 <KotCzarny> misread
Oct 15 08:46:31 <bencoh> ;)
Oct 15 08:46:48 <KotCzarny> ok, nokia one dns vanished
Oct 15 08:47:37 <sixwheeledbeast> It could be nokia moving there dns about? i assume microsoft had control of some of it for a bit.
Oct 15 08:47:57 <bencoh> aren't they supposed to give it back, somehow?
Oct 15 08:48:13 <KotCzarny> they own it, who should they give it back to?
Oct 15 08:48:15 <sicelo> i think now the server is just decommissioned
Oct 15 08:48:30 <sicelo> it has been working for a while .. only recently stopped working. 
Oct 15 08:48:33 <bencoh> I mean ... MS no longer own the Nokia brand iirc
Oct 15 08:48:42 <sicelo> so i don't think MS has anything to do with it
Oct 15 08:48:44 <KotCzarny> best course of action i guess is just changing /etc/hosts or binary editing
Oct 15 08:48:57 <bencoh> binary editing? nah :)
Oct 15 08:49:09 <bencoh> RE-ing of liblocation, maybe
Oct 15 08:49:19 <bencoh> and even that is probably not needed
Oct 15 08:49:55 <bencoh> we could probably add an A-GPS proxy to forward location-daemon's request to google with proper additions
Oct 15 08:50:37 <KotCzarny> afair supl.nokia.com was distributed via amazonaws anyway
Oct 15 08:53:16 <bencoh> indeed
Oct 15 08:54:19 <sixwheeledbeast> microsoft/nokia lumias where using supl.nokia.com for a bit though AFAIK. 
Oct 15 08:55:03 <sixwheeledbeast> I imagine new nokias will just use google supl
Oct 15 08:55:24 <bencoh> do lumia phones still receive support?
Oct 15 08:55:53 <sixwheeledbeast> But nokia supl down means all symbian stuff now has no supl.
Oct 15 08:56:18 <bencoh> I doubt symbian is still "supported" in any way
Oct 15 08:57:14 <sixwheeledbeast> lumia was discontinued a year ago
Oct 15 08:58:35 <sixwheeledbeast> security updates to dec 2019 according to wiki
Oct 15 09:00:03 <sixwheeledbeast> MS Lumia site has links back to Nokia HMD so they must have some deal.
Oct 15 09:03:03 * sixwheeledbeast looks at 130 Classic
Oct 15 09:04:03 <sicelo> slightly derailing the discussion - any browser that is TLS 1.2 capable? (on Maemo)?
Oct 15 09:06:31 <sixwheeledbeast> wasn't that jonwils plan on TMO 
Oct 15 09:08:28 <sicelo> my recent issues with QT (the latest one) seem to suggest that TLS 1.0 is disabled in the new build. :-/
Oct 15 09:09:03 <sicelo> i don't know how to confirm this
Oct 15 09:13:21 <sicelo> mmm, maybe not
Oct 15 09:24:00 <KotCzarny> is there some way to check if sms was multipart?
Oct 15 09:24:20 <KotCzarny> (apart from direct access to sqlite db)
Oct 15 09:31:26 <bencoh> well, adding recent openssl libraries alongside our old 0.9.8 version should not be an issue
Oct 15 09:38:28 <brolin_empey> Backtracking: the rent for my home is almost half of my monthly expenses, then food is around a quarter.
Oct 15 10:15:58 <ceene> sicelo: would you give a chance to easydebian?
Oct 15 10:15:59 <ceene> i run midori on that
Oct 15 10:15:59 <ceene> and it's probably the fastest browser on maemo right now
Oct 15 11:01:17 <sicelo> ceene, yes i have been downloading image :)
Oct 15 11:01:27 <sicelo> soon as it is done, i'll give it a spin
Oct 15 11:02:14 <sicelo> opera-mobile 12.5 has some support for tls 1.2, but i guess not enough ciphers, or whatever else (i'm not too familiar with ssl jargon)
Oct 15 11:03:40 <sicelo> ceene: https://mail.jwpub.irg ... please test it for me if you're able to get to a login screen. if you have time, of course.
Oct 15 11:05:13 <sicelo> *.org
Oct 15 11:08:09 <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.howsmyssl.com/
Oct 15 11:38:28 <sicelo> i should read up on this stuff .. but i guess the problem is - opera (or other browser)  advertises to the server that it supports weak ciphers _in_ _addtion_ to the 'strong' ones. as soon as server sees the weak ones, it closes connection.
Oct 15 11:40:13 <sicelo> why aren't these things designed that the server tells the browser what it wants to use, and browser picks the correct thing? :-/
Oct 15 12:08:41 <sixwheeledbeast> So not to break the internet? Working that way is part of the c-s model. Clients request, servers provide.
Oct 15 12:09:53 <KotCzarny> well, in ssh client and server talk to each other
Oct 15 12:10:18 <KotCzarny> and negotiate common and preferred ciphers list
Oct 15 12:10:54 <ceene> sicelo: on iceweasel on debian I can, if I remember this afternoon, I'll try on midori on n900
Oct 15 12:13:02 <KotCzarny> so it's m$ problem of bad workaround in their software
Oct 15 12:21:05 <sicelo> MS?
Oct 15 12:22:25 <KotCzarny> wasnt that the one server running m$ mail?
Oct 15 12:23:07 <sicelo> i used that address as an example. i have same issue with gitlab.com for example
Oct 15 12:59:21 <sicelo> yay! the latest ED image comes with IceWeasel. i can access the mail.jwpub on it. still going to try midori. 
Oct 15 12:59:33 <ceene> midori is so much faster
Oct 15 13:00:26 <sicelo> i'll install it
Oct 15 13:00:36 <ceene> it also has a couple of very useful things by default, such as a dropdown selector to choose user agent
Oct 15 13:00:48 <ceene> so you can configure it so identify as a mobile browser if you want
Oct 15 13:00:57 <ceene> s/so/to/
Oct 15 14:15:00 <sicelo> turns out midori has cert issue with that site as well. or i need to figure out how midori uses certificate stores
Oct 15 14:26:19 <KotCzarny> strace midori 2>&1 |grep open ?
Oct 15 14:26:33 <KotCzarny> you will see what files it opens
Oct 15 14:26:37 <KotCzarny> (or tries to open)
Oct 15 14:28:20 <ceene> oh :(
Oct 15 14:28:24 <ceene> i didn't expect that at all
Oct 15 14:29:17 <ceene> what does it complaint about exactly?
Oct 15 14:29:23 <ceene> s/complaint/complain/
Oct 15 14:29:29 <ceene> i don't know how to write English anymore
Oct 15 14:32:10 <sicelo> typing on N900 - sorry for the brevity - but the 'problem' is the same as debian bug 806169
Oct 15 14:32:54 <ceene> > Error Code: 408. The operation timed out. The remote server did not
Oct 15 14:32:54 <ceene> > respond within the set time allowed. The server might be unavailable
Oct 15 14:32:54 <ceene> > at this time. Try again later or contact the server
Oct 15 14:32:54 <ceene> > administrator. (12002)
Oct 15 14:32:56 <ceene> that?
Oct 15 14:33:09 <ceene> oh, I see
Oct 15 14:33:09 <ceene> this
Oct 15 14:33:10 <ceene> Error granting trust: Couldn't find a place to store the pinned certificate
Oct 15 14:33:25 <sicelo> yes 
Oct 15 14:35:26 <ceene> why the hell is all this so complicated
Oct 15 14:35:53 <ceene> apt-get install libp11-kit-gnome-keyring
Oct 15 14:35:59 <ceene> try to install that on your easydebian
Oct 15 14:36:16 <ceene> and after that some variation of modutil -add gnome-keyring -libfile ./lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so -mechanisms RSA:DSA -dbdir ~/.config/midori/ 
Oct 15 14:36:17 <sicelo> couldn't find it :-)
Oct 15 14:36:24 <ceene> what a piece of shit
Oct 15 14:36:38 <ceene> i'll try later this afternoon when i have my n900, i'm at work now
Oct 15 14:36:47 <ceene> i don't remember midori failing me in any web
Oct 15 14:36:57 <ceene> but maybe i had some later version of easydebian, I'm thiking
Oct 15 14:37:06 <ceene> some development image, maybe?
Oct 15 14:38:02 <bencoh> wtf o.O
Oct 15 14:40:04 <ceene> which image have you installed?
Oct 15 14:41:09 <sicelo> i think mine is newer than yours - debian_jessie_2
Oct 15 14:41:43 <ceene> is there a jessie image?
Oct 15 14:41:44 <ceene> wow
Oct 15 14:42:10 <ceene> let me try midori on debian sid x86
Oct 15 14:43:11 <ceene> maybe the jessie image is too new... lol
Oct 15 14:47:44 <ceene> it loads on my pc
Oct 15 14:48:31 <ceene> i'll try later on my n900
Oct 15 14:51:46 <sicelo> sure. in the meantime, my big issues are gone since i can access the two mailboxes now. yes things are slow, but i can wait :-)
Oct 15 15:47:29 <ceene> sicelo: https://mail.jwpub.irg works on my n900's midori
Oct 15 15:47:56 <ceene> midori 0.4.3
Oct 15 15:48:33 <sicelo> ok. you're using wheezy image?
Oct 15 15:49:13 <ceene> 8.3
Oct 15 15:50:20 <sicelo> 8.5 for me
Oct 15 15:50:54 <ceene> i don't know which image it was, because ii wrote it to an sdcard partition
Oct 15 15:51:03 <ceene> so i don't have the image name
Oct 15 15:51:22 <sicelo> must be jessie_1
Oct 16 02:30:34 <brolin_empey> ceene: ./lib/i386-linux-gnu/… on the N900, an ARM computer? 0_o
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