**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 18 03:00:00 2018
Oct 18 16:58:44 <fishbulb> hey, my android phone is dead
Oct 18 16:58:44 <fishbulb> I have an n900 with cssu for the meantime, how do i access gmail?
Oct 18 16:58:55 <fishbulb> is there a browser that will do it? the repos seem to work
Oct 18 16:59:03 <KotCzarny> gmail allows imap
Oct 18 16:59:16 <KotCzarny> so i suspect add gmail imap account to email app
Oct 18 17:01:29 <fishbulb> which imap account
Oct 18 17:01:29 <fishbulb> i cant access it
Oct 18 17:01:29 <fishbulb> this is literally the only internet device i have
Oct 18 17:02:24 <fishbulb> i usually use gmail in a browser 
Oct 18 17:02:37 <KotCzarny> just checked, gmail allows imap. just enable it in settings and add such account to email app
Oct 18 17:02:55 <KotCzarny> it also allows pop access
Oct 18 17:03:55 <sixwheeledbeast> Use a mail client on the N900?
Oct 18 17:03:56 <fishbulb> how do iget to the settings with the n900
Oct 18 17:03:57 <fishbulb> im on it now and its the only device i ahave that has internet
Oct 18 17:04:09 <KotCzarny> try installing fennec
Oct 18 17:04:19 <KotCzarny> its old and slow but might work
Oct 18 17:04:24 <fishbulb> whats fennec
Oct 18 17:04:47 <KotCzarny> old mobile firefox
Oct 18 17:04:54 <fishbulb> this device is old and slow
Oct 18 17:06:26 <fishbulb> apt-get install fennec ?
Oct 18 17:07:55 <sixwheeledbeast> er not apt
Oct 18 17:07:57 <fishbulb> ok the repos aren't working
Oct 18 17:07:57 <fishbulb> with app manager
Oct 18 17:08:08 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 18 17:08:08 <infobot> methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 18 17:08:14 <sicelo> N900 email client is perfectly fine on Gmail
Oct 18 17:08:56 <KotCzarny> sicelo: but afair gmail doesnt have imap/pop enabled by default
Oct 18 17:09:02 <fishbulb> i cant get to the settings
Oct 18 17:09:07 <KotCzarny> so it need to be toggled first via ww
Oct 18 17:09:10 <KotCzarny> *www
Oct 18 17:09:11 <sicelo> fennec is probably ont best choice for someone saying 'this device is old and slow' - perhaps can suggest Opera Mobile
Oct 18 17:09:24 <sicelo> s/ont/not/
Oct 18 17:09:25 <infobot> sicelo meant: fennec is probably not best choice for someone saying 'this device is old and slow' - perhaps can suggest Opera Mobile
Oct 18 17:09:27 <fishbulb> opera doesnt work
Oct 18 17:09:36 <sicelo> doesn't work?
Oct 18 17:11:56 <fishbulb> and the standard browser doesnt
Oct 18 17:11:56 <fishbulb> with gmail
Oct 18 17:11:56 <fishbulb> the only problem
Oct 18 17:11:57 <fishbulb> i mean the perimary problem im trying to get to on this thing
Oct 18 17:13:06 <KotCzarny> also, i think gmail has 'legacy mode'
Oct 18 17:13:10 <fishbulb> gmail access is critical. if any of you guys are german
Oct 18 17:13:12 <KotCzarny> which uses simpler html/js
Oct 18 17:14:16 <sicelo> fishbulb: i am (rhight now) looking at my gmail from N900 'standard browser'
Oct 18 17:14:18 <fishbulb> im in a homeless shelter and m
Oct 18 17:14:18 <fishbulb> need to get to the neherlands
Oct 18 17:14:22 <fishbulb> where i am at least a citizen. this place is dirtier and less safe than jail
Oct 18 17:16:26 <sicelo> maybe you have other problems
Oct 18 17:16:41 <KotCzarny> go to public library/internet cafe and toggle the setting there? if you have two-factor authentication, you should be safe after logging out
Oct 18 17:17:03 <sixwheeledbeast> 2FA may trigger a lock out?
Oct 18 17:17:25 <sixwheeledbeast> Depends on your second factor I suppose
Oct 18 17:17:38 <fishbulb> this is weird. it didnt let me all day
Oct 18 17:20:44 <fishbulb> this n900 might be compromised
Oct 18 17:21:59 <sixwheeledbeast> How do you figure that?
Oct 18 17:22:13 <KotCzarny> oh, you are that one paranoid guy 
Oct 18 17:22:34 <sicelo> so it let you in now? :P
Oct 18 17:25:41 <fishbulb> im paranoid for a reason
Oct 18 17:25:41 <fishbulb> it said remote server something disconnected every time
Oct 18 17:26:52 <fishbulb> i am sleeping in rooms with other people who mess with my belongings. they do it once and its game over for that device if you want to attempt to have privacy
Oct 18 17:29:34 <fishbulb> hostels afre whwere gargbage lives. here in berlin. people live in them long term and the state pays. these people soetimews arent the most trustworthy
Oct 18 17:30:14 <fishbulb> if you leave anything unattended for a minute it is messed with. 
Oct 18 17:30:53 <fishbulb> which browser has the most chance of handling flights
Oct 18 17:31:21 <fishbulb> bookings
Oct 18 17:31:39 <sixwheeledbeast> any browser that you can get working. I'd try opera first.
Oct 18 17:32:02 <Vajb> I use gmail on n900 with default mail client. Never had any problems
Oct 18 17:32:36 <KotCzarny> vajb, care to create new gmail account and checking if it has imap enabled by default?
Oct 18 17:33:36 <Vajb> nah, but Im pretty sure it has since I never changed any settings in gmail
Oct 18 17:35:35 <fishbulb> its not a default account. but the plain htlml is working
Oct 18 17:35:35 <fishbulb> in microb
Oct 18 17:35:35 <fishbulb> this might be enough but i cant change settings
Oct 18 17:38:03 <sicelo> iamp is not enabled by default, of course
Oct 18 17:38:05 <fishbulb> not without a supported browser
Oct 18 17:38:43 <KotCzarny> fishbulb, you can also give gmail credentials to someone to toggle the setting
Oct 18 17:38:45 <fishbulb> i can read them i think
Oct 18 17:38:51 <sicelo> you *can* change the setting in MicroB, *with* the html-only view fishbulb 
Oct 18 17:39:08 <sicelo> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/11mazx360zs44/?v=prfap
Oct 18 17:39:35 <sicelo> just click settings :-/
Oct 18 17:43:51 <fishbulb> server not found
Oct 18 17:45:22 <sicelo> you just have a bad Internet  connection, most likely
Oct 18 17:45:24 <fishbulb> hey is a mobile ip address vulnerable
Oct 18 17:45:34 <fishbulb> i have all bars
Oct 18 17:47:09 <fishbulb> 3.5g and full bars of reception
Oct 18 17:47:09 <fishbulb> this shit takes me back to 2016
Oct 18 17:47:27 <fishbulb> if i could time travel through irc and come out at my apartment then i would
Oct 18 17:48:02 <fishbulb> because fuck this. you do n
Oct 18 17:48:38 <KotCzarny> ah right, paranoid swearing guy
Oct 18 17:48:44 <fishbulb> not wwant to rely on the german state to save your ass if youre unemplloyed for any length of time
Oct 18 17:49:25 <sixwheeledbeast> well i suppose they have enough german unemployed people to look after?
Oct 18 17:49:35 <fishbulb> this shelter had police tape over one of the doors
Oct 18 17:51:08 <sicelo> on the matter of 2FA, does anyone know a good way to convert a really long Bas32 string to HEX? the OTP program available on N900 uses Hex, but most sites use Base32
Oct 18 17:51:10 <fishbulb> if you lose a lease, they will provide you a roof, but it will make yiou sick
Oct 18 17:51:13 <fishbulb> cockroaches and worse stuff. too many people crowded into a place not fit for dogs
Oct 18 17:51:55 <sixwheeledbeast> Would a coach not be easier? Say Berlin to Amsterdam for 25E?
Oct 18 17:52:28 <sicelo> one of the mail accounts i've been fighting with uses a 410-character string! 
Oct 18 17:52:52 <sixwheeledbeast> Or if your brave thumb a ride down the A2? Not that i know other places well.
Oct 18 17:53:19 <fishbulb> i had to get a text sent
Oct 18 17:53:19 <fishbulb> thats days on a coach
Oct 18 17:53:19 <fishbulb> how much luggage can you take? i have a bicycle and some heavy bags
Oct 18 17:53:28 <fishbulb> too much stuff.
Oct 18 17:53:46 <fishbulb> i dont want to be murdered either.
Oct 18 17:55:06 <sixwheeledbeast> You ain't thumbing a ride with that much stuff then...
Oct 18 17:55:07 <fishbulb> its like 80kg worth of everything i own.
Oct 18 17:56:39 <sixwheeledbeast> Well its about 200E for flights so i was looking at options. I see no problem with a coach having luggage
Oct 18 17:56:41 <fishbulb> nor unless a giant empty van picks me up. like the kind with no windows that you should get into
Oct 18 17:57:42 <fishbulb> two hundred? man.
Oct 18 17:58:13 <sixwheeledbeast> A quick search yes. tomorrow would be triple that
Oct 18 17:58:41 <sixwheeledbeast> possible due to short notice.
Oct 18 17:59:39 <sixwheeledbeast> Train seems to be the most popular at 60E but with 80kg of stuff maybe not...
Oct 18 17:59:41 <fishbulb> i have nowhwere to stsay in nl either but at least am a citizen. maybe they have a similar deal with homeless shelters
Oct 18 18:00:07 <KotCzarny> swb: sometimes there are last minute dirt-cheap flight tickets available
Oct 18 18:00:17 <sixwheeledbeast> family friends?
Oct 18 18:00:18 <KotCzarny> need to camp at the airport for that tho
Oct 18 18:00:23 <fishbulb> its a two thoudsand euro bike and around 70kg of bags. tools and stuff.
Oct 18 18:00:32 <sixwheeledbeast> true I said a quick check on a compare site
Oct 18 18:00:38 <fishbulb> family all dead 
Oct 18 18:01:25 <fishbulb> in that country anyway
Oct 18 18:02:02 <fishbulb> is there some iind of bike storage because a hostel never takes a bike
Oct 18 18:04:44 <fishbulb> this is a mess. it doesnt take long to get into this situation. youd be shocked
Oct 18 18:05:45 <fishbulb> isnt basically everyone in here german or near there
Oct 18 18:06:10 <sicelo> no, of course not
Oct 18 18:06:44 <sixwheeledbeast> er no
Oct 18 18:08:03 <fishbulb> the main ones who made a lot of n900 apps
Oct 18 18:08:03 <fishbulb> european?
Oct 18 18:08:23 <sixwheeledbeast> Wouldn't there be a Dutch representative in Germany? TBH I would expect places like that to be in Berlin.
Oct 18 18:08:33 <sicelo> african
Oct 18 18:10:47 <fishbulb> they dont handle this
Oct 18 18:10:47 <fishbulb> i can pay a coach or something
Oct 18 18:11:16 <fishbulb> german actually offers to pay the airfare to get you out and away from the social security system
Oct 18 18:13:32 <fishbulb> without a high level of german you are totally screwed for work anyway.
Oct 18 18:13:32 <fishbulb> it takes more than half a year to learn that much german if youre good with language
Oct 18 18:14:35 <sixwheeledbeast> Surely they would give you some advise on either getting home or where you can go at home.
Oct 18 18:16:34 <fishbulb> just like this place it only has to be a roof. once you  are out of the office the prtty beauraucrat doesnt care what happens
Oct 18 18:16:34 <fishbulb> its just some idiot working a job they hate created by the government to employ people
Oct 18 18:18:00 <fishbulb> even if they see you as human they cant do anything about where you sleep
Oct 18 18:18:08 <fishbulb> first cheapest result on google with a vacancy
Oct 18 18:19:26 <sixwheeledbeast> It would be my first attempt for information about getting home if I was in that situation.
Oct 18 18:19:28 <fishbulb> seriously every squat ive seen is better than this place. all of them.
Oct 18 18:21:47 <fishbulb> they do not care
Oct 18 18:21:47 <fishbulb> if it was some political asylum thing they might otherwise youre in for a loot of debt
Oct 18 18:21:49 <fishbulb> whats the coach site that you looked at?
Oct 18 18:29:05 <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.goeuro.com/travel-search/results/1051129599/bus?locale=en
Oct 18 18:31:41 <fishbulb> is goeuro good?
Oct 18 18:34:12 <fishbulb> how big is this screen
Oct 18 18:35:23 <sixwheeledbeast> I believe it is a compare site? no idea. FlixBus will allow cycles and extra luggage at small extra charge. Some coach companies will not.
Oct 18 18:37:44 <fishbulb> its not a giant bike but it is a bike
Oct 18 18:37:44 <fishbulb> sending it isnt an option with no fixed address
Oct 18 18:40:12 <sixwheeledbeast> checkmybus.com seem like another compare site with more info on luggage
Oct 18 18:42:41 <fishbulb> thanks
Oct 18 19:30:14 <fishbulb> is the n900 just a linux tablet with a 3g device? if my ip is visible herecan some kali kid do the same stuff theyd do with a normal computer?
Oct 18 19:30:34 <KotCzarny> sure
Oct 18 19:30:51 <KotCzarny> but difference being linux tablets usually run androids
Oct 18 19:34:23 <fishbulb> but this is full linux
Oct 18 19:34:23 <fishbulb> full but old linux
Oct 18 19:34:46 <KotCzarny> yes
Oct 18 19:35:13 <fishbulb> how do i even test for foul play on this
Oct 18 19:43:59 <APic> How would You make Your IP visible?
Oct 18 19:45:57 <fishbulb> how would i make it invisible
Oct 18 19:46:55 <APic> USB Networking?
Oct 18 19:55:17 <fishbulb> usb networking with what
Oct 18 19:55:54 <APic> With something dark
Oct 18 19:58:04 <fishbulb> what?
Oct 18 19:58:41 <APic> Anything
Oct 18 19:59:00 <APic> You cannot see in the Dark
Oct 19 01:16:19 * timeless wonders if anyone here understands ruby
Oct 19 02:12:49 * timeless decides that ruby is even harder to parse than perl
Oct 19 02:18:16 <Oksana> TMO appears to be relatively quiet. And people should be more pro-active with tagging threads - be it for uniting all "camera competition" threads under one umbrella, or to sort Buy&Sell by devices being sold/bought.
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