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Nov 03 12:54:46 <Anasko> When I try to join freenode channels from Nokia N900's Conversations, I get "You have left this group." message. What does it mean?
Nov 03 12:56:07 <Anasko> And yes, authentication with NickServ goes through fine, and ChanServ sends me "welcome to channel" message. But I can neither send messages to channel, nor watch messages being sent by others.
Nov 03 12:56:41 <Anasko> As you can see above, Wikiwide has joined #maemo, and then has left immediately. What could be causing that?
Nov 03 12:57:59 <Anasko> Doesn't help that freenode's webchat is not open-able on N900 - I had to use a laptop for that - because it requires re-captcha, and Google in its infinite wisdom doesn't support "old" web browsers (not even Fennec 17)
Nov 03 12:58:27 <KotCzarny> afair n900 supports irc just fine
Nov 03 12:59:01 <KotCzarny> grab xchat/hexchat
Nov 03 12:59:17 <KotCzarny> and forget about those clunky interfaces
Nov 03 13:01:32 <sicelo> and as we have keyboard, even irssi works good.
Nov 03 13:02:08 <KotCzarny> yeah, but text apps might be too hard for someone that needs web rowser for irc
Nov 03 13:03:41 <Anasko> I would prefer to use Conversations, not web browser, for IRC, but Conversations seems to be stuck somewhere. And the only instance I could find of this particular text of error was in source code repository of locale pack for the application. As if no user ever encountered this error.
Nov 03 13:04:29 <sicelo> Anasko: i would use wireshark to see what happens and when.
Nov 03 13:06:41 <Anasko> wireshark ? how?
Nov 03 13:07:20 * Anasko is almost sure that it is somehow related to the giant size of el-v1.db - about 74MB
Nov 03 13:08:45 <sicelo> ah. of course that's considered a big no-no (huge el-v1.db)
Nov 03 13:10:26 <Anasko> Theoretically, sqlite3 databases can reach TB in size. Practically, program decides for unfathomable reason to load the whole file into RAM, which limits it, a lot.
Nov 03 13:10:46 <KotCzarny> just install xchat
Nov 03 13:11:12 <Anasko> Does it support back-log?
Nov 03 13:12:29 <KotCzarny> as long you are connected it can log 
Nov 03 13:13:38 <KotCzarny> obviously
Nov 03 13:13:47 <KotCzarny> otherwise see topic for channel logs
Nov 03 13:14:34 <Anasko> What file format does it use for logging?
Nov 03 13:14:41 <KotCzarny> most likely txt
Nov 03 13:15:07 <Anasko> And what's the difference between irssi, xchat and hexchat (and any alternatives) on Nokia N900?
Nov 03 13:15:31 <KotCzarny> *xchact has gui
Nov 03 13:15:40 <KotCzarny> irssi runs in text terminal
Nov 03 13:19:43 <Anasko> xchat is hildon-ised, to an extent, so there is that
Nov 03 13:22:51 <Anasko> better xchat than irssi, irggu, or communi
Nov 03 13:49:44 <Anasko> I dislike X-Chat already. Tiny menus are as bad as Navit-gtk.
Nov 03 13:50:02 <Anasko> Colours are atrocious by default. 
Nov 03 13:50:23 <sicelo> i think it also doesn't do ssl, at leant on fremantle.
Nov 03 13:50:31 <sicelo> *least
Nov 03 13:51:04 <sicelo> Doc had some config that made xchat a bit more bearable. maybe you can try it
Nov 03 13:51:11 <sicelo> ~jr-tools
Nov 03 13:51:12 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 03 13:51:15 <Anasko> Auto-capitalisation doesn't work at all, when typing messages. But it auto-capitalises just fine when entering NickServ password into GUI.
Nov 03 13:51:23 <sicelo> somewhere in that link
Nov 03 13:52:35 <Anasko> Later, later. What's the problem with SSL? I don't expect it was fixed easily by a custom config?
Nov 03 13:53:36 <sicelo> no. that one not fixed, of course
Nov 03 13:53:37 <Anasko> And I don't think I see anything in X-Chat about specifying port for connection - it just auto-magics 9999 for SSL and 6667 for non-SSL?
Nov 03 13:54:17 <Anasko> and I do not see how to close user_'s server tab - disconnect from server, sure, but how do I close server tab?
Nov 03 13:54:54 * sicelo hasn't used xchat in ages ... can't remember specifics now
Nov 03 13:55:19 <Anasko> in short, if x-chat was hildon-ised, and re-written to be front-end for telepathy plug-ins (instead of just IRC client), it could be a good replacement for Conversations.
Nov 03 14:13:58 <Anasko> anAnd now message input box is white on white.
Nov 03 14:24:14 <Anasko> Test. Yes, now it is blue on white. No idea why.
Nov 03 14:24:33 <Anasko> AndrewX192, I did manage to close tab.
Nov 03 14:24:51 <Anasko> sorry for automatic nick complete.
Nov 03 14:25:07 <Anasko> anas, test.
Nov 03 14:25:14 <Anasko> Anasko, test.
Nov 03 14:25:49 <Anasko> Yes, it doesn't preview auto-complete of nick name until after I hit Enter.
Nov 03 14:36:26 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Nov 03 14:38:24 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw
Nov 03 14:39:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/
Nov 03 14:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> to close tab: press close button left lower. to nick-expand I mapped shift-space
Nov 03 14:40:58 <Anasko> Close button: right lower? Mapped shift-space in global keyboard layout file to Tab?
Nov 03 14:42:44 <Anasko> Thank you for the link. I am currently trying to figure out why Message Input box has Foreground colour working from X-Chat colour settings, but background colour white (contrary to X-Chat's setting of black)
Nov 03 14:45:59 <Anasko> Notify.sh sounds useful, even though I do not use haptic feedback much - doesn't help that Chat and Email are considered the same
Nov 03 14:48:14 <Anasko> is there a zip somewhere, for easy download of all files listed?
Nov 03 14:51:16 <Anasko> input box: use the text box font and colors. works in a weird way, if it works at all.
Nov 03 14:57:06 <Anasko> yes, background colour works only for channel scroll, not for input box.
Nov 03 14:58:52 <Anasko> see you later :-)
Nov 03 17:59:46 <AlexNoise> if you  think about it, it's quite amazing that m N810s battery still allows me to leave the device in wifi for days 
Nov 03 18:00:18 <AlexNoise> and it's the original battery also  :D
Nov 03 18:00:32 <KotCzarny> that's the key point
Nov 03 18:00:44 <KotCzarny> replace with some chinese fake and see how long it lives
Nov 03 18:01:42 <AlexNoise> and it still loads up basic websites with opera
Nov 03 18:01:53 <AlexNoise> ah, I still love  this thing
Nov 03 18:03:13 <KotCzarny> do you use it for audio play?
Nov 03 18:04:26 <AlexNoise> searching for a purpose for it.. right now it's a weather client, and a desk decoration 
Nov 03 18:04:51 <KotCzarny> install oscp and turn it into audio center/internet radio
Nov 03 18:04:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 03 18:05:12 <AlexNoise> hmm, not a bad idea
Nov 03 18:07:22 <sicelo> KotCzarny: you've seen mps-youutube .. not o bring feature creep into oscp, but perhaps .. :)
Nov 03 18:07:40 <KotCzarny> youtube requires yt-dl
Nov 03 18:07:51 <KotCzarny> but i'm toying with tidal client
Nov 03 18:08:20 <sicelo> what's tidal?
Nov 03 18:08:22 <KotCzarny> (with proper account it means milions of flac files)
Nov 03 18:08:34 <sicelo> oh nice
Nov 03 18:10:57 <AlexNoise> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sansphoto/albums/72157701318505981
Nov 03 18:11:05 <AlexNoise> let me share this
Nov 03 18:11:12 <AlexNoise> my porn collection
Nov 03 18:11:29 * sicelo clicks, hoping microb will open
Nov 03 18:12:22 <KotCzarny> you should move your pr0n to imgur
Nov 03 18:13:25 <KotCzarny> We're having some trouble displaying this album at the moment. Please try again.
Nov 03 18:13:37 <KotCzarny> that's why internet is so fucked up nowadays
Nov 03 18:13:50 <KotCzarny> no fallback to no-js browsing
Nov 03 18:13:54 <AlexNoise> how so
Nov 03 18:14:07 <AlexNoise> now that's true
Nov 03 18:14:27 <sicelo> at least opera-mobile seems to open it.
Nov 03 18:15:36 <sicelo> very nice collection!
Nov 03 18:16:29 <AlexNoise> ty :>
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