**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 13 03:00:02 2018 Dec 13 05:58:46 N9 power question: The general suggestion seems to be to remove or disconnect the battery but I guess from the context that the battery is difficult to access on the N9? Dec 13 06:00:06 The topic of this channel used to direct N9/Harmattan questions to a different channel but someone (DocScrutinizer05?) recently removed this part from the topic. Dec 13 06:02:09 DocScrutinizer05: How about setting a custom label for your swap space and writing this label on the drive containing this swap space? If I recall correctly, you can identify swap space by the label in both the fstab file and as an argument to the swapon program. Dec 13 06:02:57 You could even use part of the UUID that is sufficiently short for you to memorise as the label. Dec 13 06:08:19 The battery is difficult to access on the N9. Have to open the actual case. Dec 13 06:12:05 Does opening the case require more than fingers? Dec 13 06:15:31 Yes. Dec 13 06:16:07 I haven't done it, but there's no "removable" back cover. Dec 13 06:17:40 On the Samsung notebook computer of my father, removing the battery (that powers the whole computer, not the clock battery) requires removing screws to disassemble the computer but the bottom of the case has a hole to temporarily disconnect the battery, like the reset switch on some computer cases where you have to stick something long and narrow in the hole to press the switch. Well, strictly speaking, the clock is probably powered by a cell, not a battery Dec 13 06:17:41 , so I guess referring to the battery of the notebook computer is unambiguous if you know enough about the electronics. Dec 13 06:20:56 Speaking of notebook computers, has Apple finally abandoned IEEE 1394 because having it requires additional hardware because the Intel hardware platform Apple uses for Apple x86 computers does not include IEEE 1394? Dec 13 06:24:06 USB 3.x seems to make IEEE 1394 irrelevant for many purposes. IEEE 1394B was dramatically faster than High-speed USB but SuperSpeed USB made IEEE 1394 irrelevant if you wanted to use IEEE 1394 only because it was faster than High-speed USB. Dec 13 06:26:07 I mean faster as in throughput for file transfers. Dec 13 06:38:02 my main N900 does not detect a wifi network where my second (broken modem) N900 'sees' one Dec 13 06:38:07 what could be the issue? Dec 13 06:39:43 same os? Dec 13 06:40:27 sicelo: Non-broadcast SSID? Wireless LAN uses a channel/frequency out of the range of the current regulatory domain for the Wireless LAN controller? Dec 13 06:41:08 well the 2nd N900 is running leste .. but the driver is the same, of course Dec 13 06:41:26 and i'm using wpa_supplicant on both (the network is WPA-EAP) Dec 13 06:41:48 you can try running wpa_supplicant without -B and with debug: -d Dec 13 06:42:06 yes, i did. it just says no AP :) Dec 13 06:42:36 Some software does not show a Wireless LAN if the network does not broadcast/volunteer its SSID, which is like not seeing a person because you do not know their name. Dec 13 06:42:36 it will show networks/aps it sees and some more info Dec 13 06:43:36 this is the only network, and it doesn't see it ... so that's why it says No AP Dec 13 06:44:03 brolin_empey: the SSID is not hidden, and as mentioned, the other N900 sees the network Dec 13 06:44:29 i dont remember if n900 supports: iwlist scan Dec 13 06:44:40 maybe it does on leste Dec 13 06:45:12 sicelo: Is the regulatory domain for the Wireless LAN controller the same for both computers? Dec 13 06:47:52 Is the firmware for the Wireless LAN controller loaded by the OS? If yes then maybe the version of the firmware is different between the computers? Actually, I guess the version could be different even if the firmware is loaded independently of the OS. Dec 13 06:49:18 it's as if the other N900 is weak - i can connect when very close to the AP Dec 13 06:50:48 Antenna is different between the computers? Does the N900 have an antenna for the Wireless LAN controller that is not part of the IC itself? Dec 13 06:51:29 both are N900, recall Dec 13 06:52:21 Yes but maybe the Wireless LAN controller is supposed to have an external antenna that is no longer connected? Dec 13 06:53:56 External as in outside of the IC or whatever is the package of the Wireless LAN controller on the circuit board. Dec 13 06:56:53 maybe i have bad contacts Dec 13 07:15:50 The N900 has such an external antenna, yes. Dec 13 07:16:11 You can take it off just by unscrewing something under the backcover iirc Dec 13 07:16:53 Actually, I don't know if that's the wifi antenna or cellular antenna or both. Dec 13 10:40:57 hmm, i have a problem with fmms, it doesnt automatically connect to mms apn (works when i manually connect to it then open fmms) Dec 13 10:42:19 anyone else noticed it? Dec 13 11:02:01 You tried the different settings in FMMS? Dec 13 11:03:15 i need to use the more aggressive settings to get them but i rarely get FMMS now. I had one in a year and that went to the Blackberry Dec 13 11:05:54 which settings? Dec 13 11:06:46 'network mode' ? Dec 13 11:08:04 heh, might be the right track Dec 13 11:08:13 setting to 'rude' it at least tried to connect Dec 13 11:08:22 but didnt wait long enough for connection to come up Dec 13 11:08:51 which eventually did but fmms timed out before that Dec 13 11:43:14 i think i used Havoc ? Dec 13 12:05:51 mhm, seems to be working with havoc Dec 13 12:05:53 thanks! Dec 13 14:01:19 np, i recall going through the same thing a few years ago. Dec 13 17:36:17 anyone here have links to resources for s60? Dec 13 17:36:38 like guides for practical use of nokia s60 phones in 2018 Dec 13 17:37:07 for example i heard you can install google maps on it if you disable some certificate checking, idk how to do that Dec 13 17:37:20 and theres no obvious place for where to get that info Dec 13 17:37:53 unless you are emotionally attached, just grab n900 or any second hand android Dec 13 17:39:50 KotCzarny: i hate touch screens Dec 13 17:39:53 thats the reason Dec 13 17:40:16 i know n900 has a keyboard but you have to touch the screen Dec 13 17:43:37 tthe java client of google maps still works :p Dec 13 17:43:41 even on N900 Dec 13 17:43:47 by java i mean, j2me Dec 13 17:44:15 anyway S60 ... what phone do you have? Dec 13 17:46:18 bleb, i bet you can write fully kb controllable ui replacements Dec 13 17:46:21 for n900 Dec 13 17:46:27 in python for example Dec 13 17:52:23 but then why wouldnt i just use my e52 Dec 13 17:53:17 because n900 is so much nicer Dec 13 17:53:23 and awesomer Dec 13 17:57:00 i mean it can do more Dec 13 17:57:07 but i have a computer if i want to do more Dec 13 17:57:50 there was some website dedicated to symbian somewhere .. but i forgot it Dec 13 17:57:53 i just want a phone that will get out of my face but that will let me look up practical things like the location of a restaurant Dec 13 17:58:03 so i'm considering the e52 for that Dec 13 17:58:52 my-symbian.com looks kinda good Dec 13 17:59:03 its just hard to tell what is a good site and what is trash Dec 13 17:59:10 there's a newer one ... if i find it i will tell you Dec 13 18:07:24 bleb: blackberry bold? Dec 13 18:08:20 as an alternative to your s60 idea Dec 13 18:09:05 sixwheeledbeast^: i haven't looked into that too much Dec 13 18:09:11 but its definitely an option Dec 13 18:09:17 its what i am using for work at the moment. much nicer to have an N900/BB than two N900's in your pocket. Dec 13 18:09:47 plus i get a good quality hw keyboard on both devices. Dec 13 18:10:02 sixwheeledbeast^: do those blackberries have working google maps? Dec 13 18:10:17 have a browser Dec 13 18:10:58 i have offline routing on my N900 for that task so never tried Dec 13 18:11:22 plus i prefer a paper map most of time if it's a place i don't know Dec 13 18:12:54 yeah you can definitely live without it Dec 13 18:13:46 i just feel weird if i'm on my way somewhere and someone says "actually come to this place" and i have to ask for the street address because my car's gps doesn't have the names of establishments, only addresses Dec 13 18:16:09 then the j2me gmaps might just be enough for you Dec 13 20:28:46 wellll it looks like it might be hard to use data on the e52 Dec 13 20:29:24 ting has 2g data but only for texting, not for stuff like gmaps Dec 13 20:30:10 i wonder if there is any u.s. carrier that will provide data over 2g.... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 03:00:01 2018