**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 06 02:59:57 2019 Feb 06 07:27:46 bencoh: Yes, I know. I have used the same SIM since 2009 but I successfully converted it from a MiniSIM to a MicroSIM by myself in 2014 when I got the Geeksphone Revolution, which was the first device I had that used a MicroSIM or smaller. Feb 06 07:30:06 I used this template for the conversion: http://brolin.be/stuff/SIM_card_template.pdf Feb 06 07:39:32 brolin_empey: Thank you for yor server offer. I think I'll be using that gitlab solution since it is only for short period. And sorry that I were so slow to respond. Feb 06 07:41:24 Vajb: You are welcome but, honestly, I had already forgotten about my offer. When did I offer you hosting? I remember what I offered but I do not remember when I offered it. Feb 06 07:42:26 N900 has been a pain to use lately. So I've tried to figure out what is wrong, but I have no idea. If I use wlan it seems to work well, but if I use gprs it loses connection to network and even reports of missing sim. Syslog shows a lot of cmt resets. Feb 06 07:43:10 brolin_empey: I think it has been a week or so. Could be longer too. Feb 06 07:43:26 I now have the same model of Nokia box as my office has on my wall at home because I upgraded from asymmetrical DSL to symmetrical FttP at my home yesterday (Monday). Feb 06 07:46:10 Vajb: OK. Can you get a still reliable N900 and clone the eMMC contents from your current N900 motherboard to the “new” N900 motherboard? Feb 06 07:47:49 Then you could keep your old N900 for parts. Feb 06 07:49:12 I have one barely intact one. I've been saving it for this kind of situation, but haven't got time to flash it yet. Feb 06 07:53:04 but I have yet one trick to try with this one. I was reading KotCzarnys sim problems and was like "WHAT there is a contact at the side too", so I'll see if that could be the culprit. Since it strikes me odd that it works when Im not using gprs. Feb 06 07:53:43 for me it triggers 'no sim' icon Feb 06 07:53:56 not just broken connectivity of data etc Feb 06 07:54:11 although who knows what and where.. Feb 06 07:57:48 yup I have seen that several times Feb 06 07:58:13 but sometimes it is just no network and sometimes it even asks for PIN Feb 06 08:00:14 also I was thinking that, does gpts consume more battery power that wlan? Speculating about faulty battery now. Since I noticed it is very slightly bulged. Feb 06 08:00:21 gprs* Feb 06 08:00:30 than* Feb 06 08:01:49 yes, it does, depending on other factors, of course, e.g. PSM or no-PSM Feb 06 08:01:57 2G or 3G Feb 06 08:04:42 mostly 3G or 3.5G Feb 06 09:02:50 Er, I forgot that the N900 motherboard has another flash memory IC in addition to the eMMC. I meant clone the contents of all (only both, I think?) fixed SSDs from the old N900 motherboard to the new N900 motherboard. Feb 06 09:40:08 I wanted to ask Vajb if they have another (active) SIM they can try using in their N900 but they quit (due to N900 problem?). Feb 06 09:44:36 I wanted to ask Vajb if they have another (active) SIM they can try using in their N900 but they quit (due to N900 problem?). Feb 06 09:54:11 cleaning the sidepin had no effect. Let's see what fresh battery does. Feb 06 09:54:27 I wanted to ask Vajb if they have another (active) SIM they can try using in their N900 but they quit (due to N900 problem?). Feb 06 09:54:48 device feels weird now. Since I replaced mugen cover with stock cover Feb 06 09:55:07 nope, have just one sim Feb 06 09:55:24 I could try sim in another N900 tho Feb 06 10:01:05 interesting. Change of battery seems to have fixed this. At least first five minutes seem promising Feb 06 10:27:47 KotCzarny: Apparently some users are successfully using an mSATA SSD in the Dell Latitude X1: Feb 06 10:27:47 http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/good-news-for-latitude-x1-owners.222885/page-37 Feb 06 10:27:47 I wonder why this topic was silently locked over a decade after it began? (fail) Feb 06 10:28:28 wasnt it old news for dell x1 and thinkpad x40 ? Feb 06 10:28:40 they are similar in features and design Feb 06 10:29:32 Actually, this topic may have been locked only nine years after it began. Feb 06 10:30:17 and my x40 is running happily on samsung 830 msata for a long time Feb 06 10:37:29 It's not Mini or Micro it's "standard" Feb 06 10:40:04 Battery maybe putting slight pressure on the SIM and therefore the contacts. Feb 06 10:40:13 swb: i think the 'standard' simcard is not the original one Feb 06 10:40:21 i think it was bigger long time ago Feb 06 10:40:54 yes I believe it was the full credit card size Feb 06 10:41:11 yeah Feb 06 10:42:49 It would appear different places/providers use different names so "standard" or "Mini" is correct :shrug: Feb 06 10:43:18 I would imagine "standard" *should* mean the credit card size. Feb 06 10:43:46 yeah Feb 06 10:43:52 n900 uses mini Feb 06 10:43:58 then there are micro and nano sizes Feb 06 10:44:00 Since unless there's some other terminology, that must've been what was used to differentiate them from the new "mini" ones (which N900 uses) Feb 06 10:44:07 Original/Standard/Mini/Micro is used here instead of Full/Mini/Micro/Nano Feb 06 10:45:08 That seems very confusing. By "here" do you mean a particular country, or a particular SIM provider? Feb 06 10:45:47 I suppose xFF is the better way but people would look at you confusingly in the provider shop. Both. Feb 06 10:45:54 Especially the shifting of the terms "mini" and "micro" Feb 06 10:47:18 i would stick with standard/mini/micro/nano Feb 06 10:47:39 apple/samsung uses that nomenclature Feb 06 10:47:48 Apparently the proper term is "full" rather than standard. Feb 06 10:49:05 though I'd say "standard" should probably also mean the same thing as "full", but I suspect it'd be likely to refer to the biggest one that people actually know used to go into phones. Feb 06 10:49:37 * Maxdamantus didn't know the "full" size went into phones until a couple of years ago. Feb 06 10:50:28 Actually, maybe it never actually went into a phone anyway. Feb 06 10:50:58 yeah, mostly terminals etc Feb 06 10:51:01 I think it did ni Nokia 1630 serie Feb 06 10:51:07 in* Feb 06 10:53:08 Hmm. Weird I have a laptop drive that is showing some large odd values in SMART but isn't failing a self-test. Feb 06 10:53:14 Mm, yeah, apparently the 1610 at least did: https://www.mobilephonehistory.co.uk/nokia/nokia_1610.php Feb 06 10:53:38 1996 Feb 06 10:53:39 :) Feb 06 10:53:44 right, apparently 1630 = 1610 but maybe with different modems, or just different lock-in. Feb 06 10:53:54 most people dreamed about own phone at that time Feb 06 10:56:36 I could just about fit my Psion Pocket PC in my pocket with it... Feb 06 10:57:19 swb: smart would fail only for parameters marked as 'pre-fail' Feb 06 10:57:45 old_age ones are mostly hints about drive status Feb 06 10:58:17 also, pre-fail params have to reach threshold param before they get treated as failed Feb 06 10:58:28 Read Error Rate | 239988 | 100 | 46 | 100 | Pre-Fail | Online | OK Feb 06 10:59:33 Seek Error Rate | 2498 | 100 | 0 |100 | Old-Age | Online | OK Feb 06 10:59:55 paste header too Feb 06 11:02:10 do I need smartd for that? this is from gnome-disks Feb 06 11:03:07 smartctl -A /dev/sda Feb 06 11:03:28 and to get failure log use -a Feb 06 11:04:08 needs smartmontools which maybe an issue as cant get networking on Feb 06 11:04:38 copy package with flashdrive? Feb 06 11:18:33 a load of mysql dependences later .. header? Feb 06 11:20:23 1 | Raw_Read_Error_Rate | 0x000f | 100 | 100 | 46 | Pre-Fail | Always | - | 160827 Feb 06 11:20:54 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE Feb 06 11:20:58 that's a header Feb 06 11:21:26 as above then Feb 06 11:21:26 raw value can be ignored, you are interested in val/worst/thresh/type Feb 06 11:21:51 in this case its 100/100, and would fail at 46/100 or below Feb 06 11:23:07 so its not raw I need to look at? Feb 06 11:23:35 yup Feb 06 11:24:27 sometimes raw value is split field, with only some bits used for value and rest used by vendor for something only they know Feb 06 11:24:27 If you understand the significance of the raw value, you can look at it. Feb 06 11:24:59 that's why 'VALUE' is normalized data that can be meaningful for user/script Feb 06 11:25:04 Ok. I completely misunderstood this then. Most drives I have seen show 0 in raw Feb 06 11:25:37 only vendor knows what is in raw_value (and probably smartmontools author) Feb 06 11:26:50 The smartmontools author doesn't really have any special knowledge. All they have is still just the name of the field. Feb 06 11:27:05 Must be brand specific then, I mostly use WD and I believe this is a Seagate. Feb 06 11:27:52 So Value and Worst should be > Threshold Feb 06 11:28:36 but the raw value often denotes fairly discrete things that can be reasoned about, and they don't necessarily strictly increase or decrease .. eg, "Offline_Uncorrectable" denotes the number of currently known unreadable blocks. Feb 06 11:29:27 (that number can increase as the drive notices more block that it hasn't been able to read, and it can decrease if it's finally able to read them or if you just overwrite that block) Feb 06 11:30:24 not just brand, firmware can differ too Feb 06 11:30:27 Fujistu actually. This raw is random and all over the show. from 3fig to 6 fig values. Feb 06 11:30:43 thats why in smartmontools they have rules matching vendor/model Feb 06 11:30:44 It might be worth looking into what the attribute actually means. The value/worst/threshold fields are often not actually useful. Feb 06 11:31:28 and for raw read rate it probably can fluctuate Feb 06 11:31:35 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 087 060 045 Pre-fail Always - 467904880 Feb 06 11:31:37 and be some median value over time/period Feb 06 11:31:49 That's what I have on my relatively new Seagate drive Feb 06 11:32:06 bad geometry? Feb 06 11:32:20 it might not like position is it mounted in Feb 06 11:32:25 or gets some vibrations Feb 06 11:32:43 Doubt it. It's probably just counting something that's perfectly normal. Feb 06 11:32:50 nope Feb 06 11:33:11 and 'value' being far from 100 means drive isnt perfect Feb 06 11:33:15 I've heard about SMART attributes being removed from new drive models just because they caused unnecessary worry. Feb 06 11:33:18 but still in the margin of usability Feb 06 11:33:33 worst for your drive was 60, which is quite low Feb 06 11:33:41 and at 45 it would say 'failed' Feb 06 11:34:00 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 Feb 06 11:34:07 that's on my old wd green 3T drive Feb 06 11:34:13 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 051 051 000 Old_age Always - 35850 Feb 06 11:34:18 KotCzarny: sure, I get 0 on all of my WD drives. Feb 06 11:34:19 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 Feb 06 11:34:38 KotCzarny: because it obviously means something quite different on WD. Feb 06 11:34:47 see that in this cace param 7 is flagged as old_age Feb 06 11:35:01 I think I looked into that attribute shortly after getting the drive actually, and it seemed to be fine. Feb 06 11:37:31 keep in mind, different vendors use different technologies Feb 06 11:37:43 so particular parameter could be more important for some Feb 06 11:42:23 Oh well it may not be the drive then. ty Feb 06 11:43:42 most important params are crc errors, raw read rate errors, allocated blocks Feb 06 11:43:49 those are plain bad Feb 06 11:44:37 and temperature being over 40C Feb 06 11:44:50 which means drive will die faster Feb 06 11:45:38 temp 39C Feb 06 11:45:47 is it a laptop Feb 06 11:45:56 is Feb 06 11:51:57 What's special about 40? Mine's at 41, and I think that temperature is largely due to the drive itself. Feb 06 11:52:35 the datasheet says not to operate sustained ambient temperatures above 60 °C. Feb 06 11:52:37 according to statistics at datacenters 40+ is where probability of failure starts to rise Feb 06 11:52:45 with 45+ being high Feb 06 11:53:10 so it's not 'imminent failure' but something that will bite you sooner than later Feb 06 11:53:26 and not every drive would fail Feb 06 11:53:31 but chance of failure is higher Feb 06 11:54:10 Okay, so it's a matter of lifetime drastically falling at that particular temperature? Feb 06 11:54:23 Since .. every drive is going to fail sometime. Feb 06 11:54:29 yeah, but as i've said, it's probability Feb 06 11:54:54 not every drive from the same batch is the same Feb 06 11:57:05 This graph seems to indicate that 40 is a pretty good temperature: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Environmental_Control#Temperature_monitoring Feb 06 11:57:28 If it's around 37 or lower the failure rate increases. Feb 06 11:57:52 (apparently based on a 2007 study by Google) Feb 06 11:58:38 maybe some other effect is at play Feb 06 11:58:40 My guess is that if the drive is less than 37, it's because something is actively cooling it. Feb 06 11:58:51 because to keep them cold, they have to actively cool the area Feb 06 11:59:10 which will create unnatural temperature differentials across the drive. Feb 06 12:00:35 in normal laptop/desktop use, you will mostly see 30-40C for hdd Feb 06 12:00:55 Like cracking a glass by taking it out of the dishwasher and then pouring some liquid in it from the fridge. Feb 06 12:01:39 for ssd drives the whole temperature fun is different and complicated Feb 06 12:01:51 None of the temperatures involved there are outside of what the glass should handle, but the glass might not be made to handle that difference in temperature between the inside and outside. Feb 06 12:02:28 I always build with intake fan across the drive bays so rarely see above 30C Feb 06 12:02:41 funny that there is a probability dip at 45C for google survey Feb 06 12:02:59 I suspect that's just due to lack of data. Feb 06 12:03:21 unless the failing factors get very complicated after there. Feb 06 12:03:22 nah, that would just make uncertainity ticks bigger Feb 06 12:03:45 i would assume some additional factors Feb 06 12:04:04 applied physics/electronics is fun Feb 06 12:05:14 btw. from your link: The 2013 University of Virginia study of 10,000 hard drives in a Microsoft datacenter found that the annual failure rate steadily increases with temperature, from about 4% per year at 27 C to about 10% per year at 44 C (Figure 5). Feb 06 12:05:53 also, > The 2014 Backblaze survey of 34,000 hard drive found no correlation between temperature and failure rate. Feb 06 12:06:16 yeah, so it's all about comparing apples to apples in the same batch/conditions Feb 06 12:06:18 Maybe we should instead just go by what the datasheet says. Feb 06 12:06:39 which in my case says not to go above 60 °C Feb 06 12:06:45 nope, because datasheet only gives operating margins Feb 06 12:06:55 or belowe 5 °C Feb 06 12:07:04 no, the operating margin is 70 °C Feb 06 12:07:05 and having upper temperature margin says that temperature IS a factor Feb 06 12:07:17 it gives the 60 °C figure as a footnote. Feb 06 12:07:45 "Seagate does not recommend operating at a sustained case temperature above 60 °C. Operating at higher temperatures will reduce useful life of the product." Feb 06 12:08:25 i wonder what is non-useful life of product Feb 06 12:08:32 though the temperatures mentioned in the spec sheet are ambient, not drive temperature. Feb 06 12:09:09 If it's 5 °C outside, the drive will certainly itself be operating at a higher temperature, since it's going to be dissipating power. Feb 06 12:09:41 more importantly it's physical params would be different Feb 06 12:09:42 Well Seatgate do make useful doorstops and paperweights Feb 06 12:11:04 seatgate sounds like porcelain product bussiness Feb 06 12:17:56 I suspect that to some extent, optimising drive lifetime like that will be similar to optimising human lifetime using health supplements. Feb 06 12:18:58 fish oil, magnesium, vitamin C, other random stuff that people take without really having any evidence that they need it. Feb 06 12:22:28 too many factors Feb 06 12:22:46 you can only create statistical data Feb 06 20:35:19 The N900 uses a MiniSIM card. A full-size SIM card is the same size as a credit card. Feb 06 20:38:39 KotCzarny: I shared the link about the mSATA in Latitude X1 because I did not know of anyone using an mSATA drive in a Latitude X1 before I revisited that forum topic for the first time in years to see if anyone had replied since I last visited the topic. I did not mean that using mSATA in a Latitude X1 was new, only that that was the first time I knew of someone using it. Also, I thought the ThinkPad X40 has a fan? Feb 06 20:40:24 x40 has a fan but mine runs with modified fan script, mostly fanless Feb 06 20:40:38 it only turns on when firefox does some ugly webpage Feb 06 20:40:47 (ie. when cpu jumps over 63C) Feb 06 20:41:04 mostly it hovers ~35-50C Feb 06 20:42:45 The Dell Inspiron Mini 1018 and Dell Inspiron Mini 1012 are fanless, x86-64, and use a 2.5-inch SATA HDD/SSD but apparently they lack an integrated numeric keypad. The reviews I redd of them on NotebookCheck.net also say that they are sealed and not designed to be opened by the user. Feb 06 20:43:31 They are from 2010, though, so they should be cheap by now. Feb 06 20:46:02 Anyone know much about Client Access Licences (CALs) for Windows Server 2019? I ordered per-user CALs but now wonder if I should have ordered per-device CALs. Feb 06 22:00:57 Vajb: an aged battery is very often the true cause of modem issues Feb 06 22:30:14 Hmm .. my other device apparently kept having modem resets when it tried to use it. Maybe I should try it again with a new battery. Feb 06 22:31:14 I just continued using the same battery in my current device (which was fine), though I've since bought some new batteries since that battery was slightly bulged. Feb 06 23:27:28 the failure pattern is like: modem starts transmitting which draws massive amount of current bursts from battery, which in turn makes battery voltage sag below threshold where modem goes into shutdown/reset Feb 07 00:38:08 Does Fennec 17 us3 certificates different from MicroB? Because Fennec 17 goes paranoid on websites which are fine in MicroB. Doesn't help when iframe (blame Moodle login system) doesn't allow to scroll to "add permanent exception" button. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 07 02:59:57 2019