**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:56 2019 Feb 08 05:07:29 Got a 256 GB Samsung EVO for my N900. Feb 08 06:26:02 Maxdamantus: SD card? Feb 08 06:31:51 Yes. Feb 08 06:31:58 Just amused about the branding of it. Feb 08 06:32:23 * Maxdamantus didn't know Samsung was into the SD card business. Feb 08 06:37:01 lol Feb 08 06:37:04 seriously? Feb 08 06:37:21 anyway, you should've go with pro ones Feb 08 06:37:24 bit more durable Feb 08 06:37:39 * KotCzarny had 128gb evo+ dead from use Feb 08 06:38:41 Pretty sure they're all going to die sometime. Feb 08 06:39:03 and probably not something that's easy to get controlled statistics of. Feb 08 06:39:59 The conclusions in harddisk studies are fuzzy enough, and those are by organisations that actually run large arrays of disks in relatively controlled conditions. Obviously noone does anything like that with SD cards. Feb 08 06:41:15 anyway, noticed at least one file on my 128 GB SanDisk produces read errors. Feb 08 06:41:28 * Maxdamantus hasn't scanned the whole device. Feb 08 07:00:18 well, for ssd evo has fewer cell cycles than pro Feb 08 07:05:55 at least sandisk sdcard went into r/o mode, so data wasnt lost Feb 08 07:06:11 if you plan on warranty replacement use luks etc Feb 08 07:06:19 as you wont be able to nuke you own data Feb 08 07:08:04 I think I've had it for a couple of years. It's just another storage device that needs to be replaced. Feb 08 07:08:30 (and it's always been my swap device for Maemo) Feb 08 07:54:45 3 years Feb 08 08:47:44 Maxdamantus: have you done any benchmarking yet? Feb 08 08:50:37 bencoh: no. Haven't put it in my phone yet. Feb 08 08:52:01 but I'm guessing it'll just be the same as the previous card, since I don't think N900's SD controller is able to get anywhere near the rated speeds. Feb 08 08:53:02 I get 12 MB/s sequential read from the one that's already in there, and I think all of my SD cards have had that, except for one card which was crap. Feb 08 08:54:00 and 19.6 MB/s from the eMMC. Feb 08 08:59:22 * bencoh nods Feb 08 08:59:24 I think I remember DocScrutinizer05 saying what the maximum theoretical throughput would be based on the bus size and frequency or something. Feb 08 08:59:45 yeah, you can actually read it in the omap3 documentation Feb 08 08:59:45 logs: 05:35 < KotCzarny> Just upgraded my N900 with Samsung EVO 64GB MicroSDXC card, speeds up to 48MB/s formatted ext3. Feb 08 08:59:57 afair the limit is pretty low considering today's standard Feb 08 08:59:59 ^ pretty sure that would have been a false measurement Feb 08 09:00:07 (same goes for omap4, btw) Feb 08 09:00:10 (probably something based on buffering or caching) Feb 08 15:21:10 looks like i finally managed to lose the stylus on my daily N900 (from 2011) Feb 08 22:37:31 Okay. QML-BROWSER from TMO (see Nwer... Thread), Libssl1.1 from community-devel and qt-components-hildon from extras-devel, libqt4 libraries from community-devel (script, network, maemo5, gui, declarative, dbus, core, webkit, xml, svg, opengl, xmlpatterns, sql, phonon, sql-sqlite, multimedia). Feb 08 22:38:21 Now, in Qml-browser SSL is Probably Okay. Which is an achievement, compared against Bad for MicroB. Feb 08 22:41:57 Now, immersive technologies... Take a long time to load, but that's normal, WiFi signal isn't strong. Feb 08 22:42:24 qml-browser seems to just use libssl0.9.8 for me. Feb 08 22:43:10 Maxdamantus : it was so for me... Before I installed libssl1.1 and all the abovementioned packages. Feb 08 22:43:19 Ah. Feb 08 22:44:31 I wish there was an error console or something in Qml-browser. It's taking ages to load the webpage for 3D glasses... Feb 08 22:45:14 Well, at least, I give it points for trying. It knows title of the page ;-) Feb 08 22:45:36 Junglefy Upstairs Shade House Feb 08 22:48:24 Loading... Feb 08 22:54:49 Oh dear. Scrolling is weird. I see an image, but it doesn't make sense. Feb 08 22:56:09 And now screen is black. Too large image for qml-browser to handle? Feb 08 23:38:44 If I want to upgrade qml-browser's ability to handle JS, is it sufficient to upgrade libqt4-webkit? Feb 08 23:43:34 wikiwide I was following with interest your talk yesterday, and tried qml-browser. Feb 08 23:44:53 Enabled cssu-devel from merlin's mirror and extras-devel from maemo.org. Feb 08 23:46:49 Installed openssl and qt4 via apt-get (just 2 commands, qt4 brings automatically all its libraries). Feb 08 23:47:29 Then qml-browser from extras-devel via ham. Feb 08 23:48:43 I didn't find issues with certificates, but pages generally don't work well (javascript?). Feb 08 23:49:19 In addition, screen rotation does not work. Feb 08 23:50:06 Also, weird "random" auto capitalization in address bar and forms. Feb 08 23:51:03 * Maxdamantus couldn't tell whether his pages were not loading due to lack of trust in certificates or a protocol error. Feb 08 23:51:27 Was just showing a blank screen when loading something like https://maxdamantus.eu.org/ Feb 08 23:51:52 And when you go to see all open apps (top left, status bar, small windows) the qml-browser window is not filled (only frame). Feb 08 23:52:28 I got qml-browser from https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100343&page=2 Feb 08 23:52:57 Enrico_M_RX-51: Happens sometimes, empty frame. Feb 08 23:54:33 https://maxdamantus.eu.org/ : 403 Forbidden Feb 08 23:58:32 To upgrade JS in qml-browser, is it sufficient to upgrade libqt4-webkit? Or is something else needed? Feb 09 00:04:09 wikiwide I have qml-browser_0.9.0_armel.deb from extras-devel. Feb 09 00:05:15 Nod. I have 0.9.0 from TMO - apparently compiled with libssl1.1 in mind. Feb 09 00:06:13 Actually in TMO it's 0.9.0cssu. Feb 09 00:06:37 I wonder whether that makes any difference. Feb 09 00:06:52 No idea how extras-devel compares against that. Because I do have qt-components-hildon from extras-devel. Feb 09 00:07:26 Yes, it may make a difference regarding handling ssl/tls/security/whatever. Feb 09 00:08:06 Just don't forget libqt4 libraries from community-devel - cssu15, not cssu12. Feb 09 00:11:30 I didn't install explicitly qt-components-hildon. I have 0.26.2, I think got from extras-devel automatically. Feb 09 00:12:03 That's fine. Feb 09 00:12:10 (when installed qml-browser via ham) Feb 09 00:12:58 Wikiwide: right, do you get that 403 in qml-browser? Feb 09 00:13:56 Yes Feb 09 00:16:29 wikiwide libqt4-core: Feb 09 00:16:31 Installed: 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu15 Feb 09 00:16:52 (to check just the first) Feb 09 00:18:40 I will try the qml-browser from TMO, just to see. Feb 09 00:34:43 Done. Still same problems as before (no rotation, empty frame, bad caps - it's the 'c', it's inverted). Feb 09 00:36:40 Don't know about rotation - I keep rotation lock enabled. Most of the time, frame isn't empty for me. Don't notice caps - I don't get many opportunities to type in web pages. Feb 09 00:38:31 caps also in address bar. Feb 09 00:38:48 Italian keys here. Feb 09 00:39:02 If that matters. Feb 09 00:39:33 Never seen frame filled. Feb 09 00:40:17 Wrong, it just filled. Feb 09 00:40:30 :P Feb 09 00:40:57 Heh. Don't notice anything like this in qml-browser address bar. But "cat" became "caUERY%" Feb 09 00:41:22 catUERY% * Feb 09 00:42:06 And dog became dogUERY% Feb 09 00:42:30 With default DuckDuckGo search engine Feb 09 00:42:38 :D Feb 09 00:43:12 Easy. Mismatch of %q in one place and %query% in another place. Feb 09 00:44:08 Me as well! Feb 09 00:47:19 But it's not that bad. Although not everything works. Feb 09 00:47:29 Edit .config/QMLBrowser/searchengines with text editor of your choice Feb 09 00:48:03 I tried paypal.com. Can't close the cookie banner. Feb 09 00:53:19 wikiwide The query doesn't look bad. How do I find the syntax? And for Google? Feb 09 00:54:06 http://www.google.com/m/search?client=ms-nokia-maemo&channel=unibox&q=%Q Feb 09 00:54:52 searchengines file looks simple, but you can also add search engines via Qml-browser GUI, in Settings Feb 09 00:55:13 Yes, seen that. Feb 09 00:56:19 So the search term is %Q, not %QUERY%? Feb 09 00:56:27 Yes Feb 09 00:56:40 To avoid UERY% Feb 09 00:57:57 In fact, same pb with Wikipedia. Feb 09 00:58:07 Yes Feb 09 01:12:08 Mh. Corrected the query, but I can't switch search engine. Feb 09 01:12:44 They show up, but in the end it's always the duck. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 09 02:59:57 2019