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Feb 28 04:25:26 <Vajb> so far I have found just one flaw from by restored backup. Devices security code has not changed.
Feb 28 04:32:53 <Maxdamantus> iirc that's stored in flash.
Feb 28 04:38:39 <Maxdamantus> (flash other than the filesystem, that is)
Feb 28 05:11:21 <Vajb> oh, that explains.
Feb 28 05:58:38 <Vajb> do you know any screen protectors that you could recommend fro n900?
Feb 28 05:59:19 <Vajb> asking because I just used my last celly screen protector and it seems they are not made anymore.
Feb 28 06:59:05 <KotCzarny> vajb: i just use regular one that i cut down to size
Feb 28 06:59:11 <KotCzarny> 2usd/10pcs
Feb 28 06:59:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Feb 28 06:59:23 <KotCzarny> so when it starts getting off i cut another
Feb 28 07:03:12 <Vajb> hmm if I order protector for bigger screen I might get two from one :p
Feb 28 07:03:16 <Vajb> cool idea
Feb 28 07:03:51 <KotCzarny> just keep in mind the cut is best done with exacto knife, not scissors
Feb 28 07:03:58 <KotCzarny> so you wont bend the plastic
Feb 28 07:04:14 <KotCzarny> and cut corners a bit too
Feb 28 07:04:23 <KotCzarny> so they wont start peeling of that easily
Feb 28 07:12:56 <Vajb> you mean round corners?
Feb 28 07:13:28 <Vajb> it sure feels starnge to have buttons which have some friction and labels on them :p
Feb 28 07:13:49 <Vajb> I just hope this is as stable hw wise
Feb 28 07:16:35 <KotCzarny> vajb: yeah, so you wont have a square but a square with little triangles cut off at the corners
Feb 28 07:16:53 * Maxdamantus needs to get around to doing that.
Feb 28 07:17:58 <KotCzarny> cutting them round would be best, but not exactly easy with exactly knife
Feb 28 07:18:04 <KotCzarny> *exacto
Feb 28 07:18:44 <Maxdamantus> Presumably easier with scissors.
Feb 28 07:18:52 * Maxdamantus hasn't used exacto knifes much though.
Feb 28 07:18:52 <KotCzarny> but scissors bend the plastic
Feb 28 07:19:06 <KotCzarny> which makes the foil not to stick well at that part
Feb 28 07:54:00 <Vajb> oh well. I seem to have been disconnected while phone was in my pocket...
Feb 28 07:54:41 <Vajb> at least I have better screen :)
Feb 28 07:55:18 <KotCzarny> for me switching to 2G helped
Feb 28 07:55:56 <KotCzarny> so far it only disconnected once, compared to few times a day on 3g
Feb 28 07:56:06 <KotCzarny> and not a single 'no sim'
Feb 28 07:57:03 <Vajb> I saw nothing odd either. Just saw from irc log.
Feb 28 08:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> powerkernel afaik uses BME-replacement by default
Feb 28 08:01:34 <DocScrutinizer05> which is known to not really work with battery applet iirc
Feb 28 08:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> reboot during bootmenu is usually caused by nobody tickling watchdog, BM has a script doing that usually
Feb 28 08:05:34 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: this time problem is that bootmenu.item doesn't find BackupMenuLauncher.item. Moving that launcher file to /etc/bootmenu.d was only solution that worked for me.
Feb 28 08:59:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: no clue, should be /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item
Feb 28 09:00:21 <DocScrutinizer05> https://pastebin.com/671CSC00
Feb 28 09:25:41 <sicelo> bme-replacement is a a separate install, not tied to PK.
Feb 28 09:33:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Yes. it has it's own repo. 
Feb 28 10:03:16 <luke-jr> can i play pokemon go on n900?
Feb 28 10:08:39 <sixwheeledbeast> ios or andriod only. you would need to get apkenv working and have a google store account.
Feb 28 10:08:57 <KotCzarny> or vnc server?
Feb 28 10:09:36 <KotCzarny> although that would require passing gps coords somehow
Feb 28 10:09:50 <sixwheeledbeast> in that case just play the "proper" game
Feb 28 10:10:18 <luke-jr> I've put the "proper" games behind me
Feb 28 10:11:11 <luke-jr> I also haven't powered on my N900 in over a year. :x
Feb 28 10:11:13 <sixwheeledbeast> i think you can play the roms on n900, now I think about it.
Feb 28 10:11:36 <KotCzarny> my n900 is powered on since 2009
Feb 28 10:11:56 <sixwheeledbeast> ^
Feb 28 10:12:23 <KotCzarny> as for gaming, gweled is my top1 app
Feb 28 10:12:30 <luke-jr> I've migrated entirely to Pixel XL + GPD Win 2
Feb 28 10:12:40 <sixwheeledbeast> 2048
Feb 28 10:12:45 <KotCzarny> other fun games are gnurobbo and hex-a-hop
Feb 28 10:14:18 <sixwheeledbeast> and thembloodyduck
Feb 28 10:14:21 <sixwheeledbeast> s
Feb 28 10:14:56 <luke-jr> don't forget all the fun CVEs
Feb 28 10:15:13 <KotCzarny> you dont get cves if you dont connect to the internet ;)
Feb 28 10:15:40 <luke-jr> what is the N900 for if not that?
Feb 28 10:15:48 <KotCzarny> phone?
Feb 28 10:15:57 <KotCzarny> also, pocket console
Feb 28 10:16:02 <KotCzarny> and pocket audio player
Feb 28 10:16:05 <KotCzarny> (for me)
Feb 28 10:16:22 <KotCzarny> doubles as pendrive sometimes too
Feb 28 10:19:30 <sicelo> luke-jr: maemo-leste
Feb 28 10:20:19 <luke-jr> sicelo: wat?
Feb 28 10:20:31 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: phone and console require internet
Feb 28 10:21:27 <KotCzarny> sure, but my audio player uses latest libav
Feb 28 10:22:13 <sicelo> there's now Maemo Leste - based on Devuan. say bye bye to the CVEsYou may want to check it out
Feb 28 10:22:14 <KotCzarny> also, phone uses gsm not internet to connect
Feb 28 10:22:35 <KotCzarny> and console is mostly ssh/telnet
Feb 28 10:29:36 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't think my device is never not behind a firewall of some sort. I don't use mobile data.
Feb 28 10:31:46 <sixwheeledbeast> What CVE's in particular anyway?
Feb 28 10:48:48 <sicelo> i don't think he's talking about specific ones, but that the OS has very old components that are known (or likely to) have a number of CVE's againsts them
Feb 28 10:55:07 <sixwheeledbeast> I can only recall ssh. Some of the components are so old they where pre CVE
Feb 28 10:55:37 <sixwheeledbeast> https on browser is an issue I admit
Feb 28 11:10:16 <Vajb> sixwheeledbeast: your top scroere in 2048 is?
Feb 28 11:11:12 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: that's where it was, but backupmenu.item didn't find it from there. I quadruble checked that file path.
Feb 28 11:11:53 <sixwheeledbeast> Vajb: Maemo?
Feb 28 11:12:28 <Vajb> yeah
Feb 28 11:12:37 <Vajb> score*
Feb 28 11:12:42 <sixwheeledbeast> wok is a cool game too
Feb 28 11:13:03 <sixwheeledbeast> I have no idea seems to have reset
Feb 28 11:13:21 <Vajb> i like puzzles game pack
Feb 28 11:13:39 <Vajb> sixwheeledbeast: it wont show your top unless you start new game in it
Feb 28 11:14:46 <sixwheeledbeast> That's embarrassing... 33288
Feb 28 11:15:05 <Vajb> I have score: 180596 and number: 8192 :p
Feb 28 11:15:50 <sixwheeledbeast> Do note that Maemo 2048 is slightly easy than original version due to a small bug ;)
Feb 28 11:15:51 <Vajb> I felt a bit fooled after I got firs 4k number. It kinda rules the name
Feb 28 11:15:57 <KotCzarny> i have 330000+ in gweled :P
Feb 28 11:16:37 <Vajb> yes, I know, but since this is channel named maemo, I don't care :p
Feb 28 11:17:03 <Vajb> I think I haven't played gweled
Feb 28 11:17:14 <KotCzarny> nice timewaster
Feb 28 11:17:26 <KotCzarny> match-3
Feb 28 11:17:32 <Vajb> but I recently installed Rocks'n'diamonds
Feb 28 11:59:59 <brolin_empey> WTF?  Facebook is an “Android system app” on the stock OS on the LG G5 and cannot be uninstalled, at least not from the Google Play Store on Android?
Feb 28 12:00:29 <KotCzarny> support google, it's good
Feb 28 12:00:50 <KotCzarny> closed OS is next best thing under the moon
Feb 28 12:03:56 <brolin_empey> At least I do not use Apple iOS, the Icon of Sin. :-P
Feb 28 12:04:13 <KotCzarny> google is heading straight to hell
Feb 28 12:05:31 <brolin_empey> Icon of Sin was a reference to Doom II: Hell on Earth in case you missed it.
Feb 28 12:05:39 <KotCzarny> i did.
Feb 28 12:07:07 <Vajb> I just love android's individual app settings. Can render facebook in its little bubble f you wish
Feb 28 12:07:29 <KotCzarny> it still runs in bg
Feb 28 12:07:48 <KotCzarny> not every android allows you to disable builtin apks
Feb 28 12:07:50 <brolin_empey> Typing idclev30 (id Software change level to 30) in Doom II will warp to MAP30: Icon of Sin.
Feb 28 12:07:59 <Vajb> it does, but if it is blocked from every access it can't do much
Feb 28 12:08:41 <Vajb> oh didn't know it might be os version dependent feature
Feb 28 12:08:48 <Vajb> I use Lineage os
Feb 28 12:10:12 <luke-jr> brolin_empey: you can disable system apps
Feb 28 12:10:25 <luke-jr> brolin_empey: they can't be uninstalled because they're part of the ROM
Feb 28 12:10:34 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: not on every android
Feb 28 12:10:42 <luke-jr> on stock Android at least
Feb 28 12:10:50 <KotCzarny> most people have some samsung
Feb 28 12:11:03 <KotCzarny> which allows disabling for some
Feb 28 12:11:05 <KotCzarny> but not for all
Feb 28 12:11:28 <KotCzarny> afair i had some that i would like to nuke, yet they were on 'dont touch' list
Feb 28 12:12:55 <brolin_empey> I do not want to replace the stock OS after my bad experience replacing the OS on my Galaxy Note 3, which still has strange effects from replacing the stock OS even after reverting to the stock OS.  I reverted to the stock OS because my CyanogenMod installation broke and could not be fixed.
Feb 28 12:12:55 <luke-jr> then ssh to it and use pm hide
Feb 28 12:13:17 <KotCzarny> no root, no fun
Feb 28 12:13:49 <luke-jr> I'd love to use LineageOS on my Pixel XL, but AIUI Google will sabotage my phone if I do
Feb 28 12:13:49 <KotCzarny> but i treat rooting as a temporary workaround working thanks to holes in os
Feb 28 12:14:15 <KotCzarny> which get closed, and target being closed os without user moddability
Feb 28 12:16:36 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: Your chinese battery works fine with the battery applet?
Feb 28 12:17:02 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: mine is not working battery applet does not show the level of charge
Feb 28 12:17:26 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: and phone turns off unexpectedly without the battery applet noticing it
Feb 28 12:17:54 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: maybe you can transplant the head of the battery 
Feb 28 12:18:06 <KotCzarny> but best is to just buy polarcell or something
Feb 28 12:18:18 <brolin_empey> All of the Pixel series has a difficult to remove battery if I recall correctly.  The LG G5 and V20 still have an easily removable battery but the G6 and V30 do not.
Feb 28 12:18:28 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: polarcell works fine with battery applet then?
Feb 28 12:18:50 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: many people use them without problems, so i assume: yes
Feb 28 12:19:03 <KotCzarny> mine is 'mept-5800n maxximus extra power 1600mAh'
Feb 28 12:19:37 <KotCzarny> but i got it used as a part of some other n900
Feb 28 12:19:41 <KotCzarny> and dont know its history
Feb 28 12:19:48 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: 'mept-5800n maxximus extra power 1600mAh' works fine with battery applet?
Feb 28 12:20:04 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: yes, shows capacity, and in battery-eye other stats
Feb 28 12:20:13 <sicelo> sunshavi: stock battery applet?
Feb 28 12:20:22 <sunshavi> sicelo: yes
Feb 28 12:20:25 <KotCzarny> fun part it shows ~1240mAh
Feb 28 12:20:33 <KotCzarny> which is way lower than stated '1600' ;)
Feb 28 12:20:39 <sicelo> i mean, not bme-replacement, for example?
Feb 28 12:20:44 <KotCzarny> so just buy polarcell and get real 1500mAh
Feb 28 12:20:47 <sunshavi> guys. brb
Feb 28 12:22:46 <brolin_empey> Also, the analog audio connector was removed from the Pixel series unless the Pixel 3 or a later model (changes too quickly, I lost track) readded it.
Feb 28 13:22:43 <brolin_empey> On any form of Android, is it possible to set a limit on cellular data usage per application instead of only for all applications?  I want to install RescueTime for Android on my LG G5 but I removed RescueTime from my Galaxy Note 3 because RescueTime for Android transferred over 1 GB (!!!) over the cellular data network in one billing period when my quota is only 2 GB per billing period but I do not know if RescueTime transferred this much information 
Feb 28 13:22:43 <brolin_empey> because it got stuck because the minimum version of Android was increased from 4.4 or earlier to 5.0 while I was still using it but my Galaxy Note 3 is still stuck on 4.4 thanks to Samsung, which is part of my reason for switching to the LG G5 running Android OS 8.
Feb 28 13:24:55 <brolin_empey> I mean billing period for cellular service, which is one month but not a calendar month.  My billing period for RescueTime is one year but not a calendar year.
Feb 28 13:51:53 <brolin_empey> Does Apple omit a “delete to the right” key from some of their hardware keyboards for left-to-right languages because the OS has a modifier key for the Backspace/“delete to the left” key to delete to the right instead of to the left?  I mean does Mac OS X have such a modifier?  It occurs to me that such a modifier may be why Apple omits this key from some keyboards.
Feb 28 13:53:56 <brolin_empey> The Commodore 64 keyboard does not even have dedicated arrow keys for all four directions but the Commodore 128 keyboard does.
Feb 28 14:18:25 <sicelo> you write English-Greek sometimes :p
Feb 28 14:19:44 <sicelo> ... RescueTime for Android transferred over 1 GB ... but I do not know if RescueTime transferred this much information ... one month but not a calendar month ... one year but not a calendar year
Feb 28 14:19:58 <sicelo> i admit it can be understood after a while 
Feb 28 18:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: bootmenu and vackupmenu are very simple and sgellscript-based. can't be hard to check each single aspect and detail
Feb 28 18:08:55 <DocScrutinizer05> backupmenu
Feb 28 18:16:52 <DocScrutinizer05> https://pastebin.com/NCksYSQy
Feb 28 20:54:00 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: I went even further and took md5sum against each file I considered part of it and they were equal with my other device. Only difference being that in other device it works as expected and with other it does not.
Feb 28 20:55:02 <Vajb> And in my freshly flashed device it worked too, but not in the restored backup. So something is off in my setup, but it does not matter since now I know how to circle that problem.
Feb 28 22:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you're aware the backup is just a tarball and you may restore selectively?
Feb 28 22:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> also never restore a backup taken under a different kernel, unless you selectively exclude kernel modules from restoring
Feb 28 22:32:33 <Vajb> yes I know that, but I since I don't know what causes this behaviour I have no idea what to exclude.
Feb 28 22:33:02 <Vajb> hmm too many I's. Looks like past bed time :)
Mar 01 01:03:00 <brolin_empey> Bedtime is an asymptote. ;-)
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