**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 06 02:59:57 2019 Mar 06 08:34:03 apt-cache policy tomcat7? Can see anything obvious but I normally use apt-mark hold foo over pinning. Mar 06 08:34:17 s/Can/Can't/ Mar 06 08:34:17 sixwheeledbeast meant: apt-cache policy tomcat7? Can't see anything obvious but I normally use apt-mark hold foo over pinning. Mar 06 12:33:31 Very nice: https://www.tctmagazine.com/3d-printing-news/nano-dimension-technologies-successfully-prints-pcbs-dragonfly-2020/ Not particularly repairable (unless you happen to have such a 3D printer readily available), but then, replacing a chip isn't particularly easy either way. Mar 06 15:03:14 g36 Mar 06 15:03:19 urg Mar 06 16:17:04 DocScrutinizer05: no worries Mar 06 20:15:51 the adverse effects of using a highly intuitive GUI tool for software-, user-, service- management, Mar 06 20:16:07 no incentive to learn the cmdline tools Mar 06 20:17:43 I got no idea about useradd and friends, vim, apt/rpm, systemd... Mar 06 20:19:36 vim? Mar 06 20:20:05 systemd makes zero sense to me anyway Mar 06 20:26:51 fun observation, my device lost network today,once Mar 06 20:27:00 after i connected it to computer via usb cable for charging Mar 06 20:39:07 mmm, so skype for web no longer supports FF Mar 06 20:40:11 not that it matters too much but, for those odd moments i needed to use skype, this helped. i'm not abou to start using chrom(ium) Mar 06 21:28:57 sixwheeledbeast: vi(m), as I use true GUI "WYSIWYG" editors, like mcedit, kate, openoffice, even nano Mar 06 21:30:22 systemd actually makes zero sense to me too. I hardly know how to stop or start a service Mar 06 21:31:36 I like vi, but I do admit sometimes you can't beat a GUI text editor. gedit (pluma) here, nice features like syntax highlighting help. Mar 06 21:33:16 I agree. upstart made sense, "stop foo" "start bar". I believe systemd is "systemctl start foo" Mar 06 21:36:54 As for making services I have no idea. Something about "units" and targets Mar 06 21:38:21 that bad thing: literally every time I need a `systemctl stop foo` it takes me 15 to 30 minutes to find out about the systemd command to list the names of valid services to start/stop. and when I'm not instantly certain about the right name from mere looking at it, it takes me another 1 or 2 hours to figure which file and where to look at, to gather some details about what that service named "foo" actually does Mar 06 21:43:23 no `ls -l /etc/init.d`, no `grep -r "nutmon" /etc/init.d` Mar 06 21:45:05 "systemctl list-dependencies --all" ? like 25k lines of confusing dependency trees Mar 06 21:47:26 terminals aren't designed to display this type of tree data. Mar 06 21:49:21 As for finding things in journalctl, meh. Bring back tail -f foo file Mar 06 21:51:22 25k? 37k!!! Mar 06 21:52:02 ROTFL *cry* Mar 06 21:53:10 luckily I still run syslog on my system, so fuck journalctl Mar 06 22:18:18 debian, with systemd/journalctl, still has tail -f /var/log/syslog, etc., by default Mar 06 23:17:14 suse ^^^ +1 Mar 06 23:17:47 nobody thinks journalctl is a smart idea Mar 06 23:22:30 systemctl list-dependencies https://i.imgur.com/JRIu3Xv.png -- systemctl list-dependencies|less ROTFL what a crappy tool https://i.imgur.com/NzaN42z.png Mar 06 23:27:24 -r makes less at least show bullets, but still no colors Mar 06 23:28:47 -R helps Mar 06 23:29:30 however not when piping, only when systemctl calls less directly Mar 06 23:30:39 https://i.imgur.com/i6hJ5fS.png systemctl list-dependencies; "-R" Mar 07 02:31:01 DocScrutinizer05: kate has a vi(m) mode. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 07 02:59:57 2019