**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 09 03:00:34 2019 Mar 09 06:18:05 00:38 #maemo DocScrutinizer05> I hereby declare I leave MCeV and step down from all positions Mar 09 06:18:14 does that include chanop on irc? Mar 09 06:18:49 how's that related? Mar 09 06:19:51 I also won't discontinue my c't magazine abo Mar 09 06:20:34 anyway, it seems someone fucked up some legal stuff regarding maemo Mar 09 06:20:54 because chem|st says he is secondary/emergency contact Mar 09 06:21:07 no idea, I stoipped taking care about any of that like 5 years ago Mar 09 06:21:10 and that should be done rather pushed around Mar 09 06:22:27 you'd wonder who's primary bank account contact then Mar 09 06:26:45 actually the most authoritative entity of maemo still should be council, like always had been or should have been Mar 09 06:29:33 with whole MCeV and his board only being executives of council, and council acting on behalf of and according to publicly negotiated common sense of maemo community Mar 09 06:30:32 that's why the community is supposed to elect on council Mar 09 06:31:30 MCeV only needed since you can't realistically hand over ownership of a bank account (and other assets) to a new council every 6 months Mar 09 06:36:28 it took me like 8 weeks of often hostile discussions to get anything into the eV statutes with a wording to the effect that council is telling eV what to do Mar 09 06:39:06 and no way I'm going to get any closer than one continent apart from starting discussion about this topic again now Mar 09 12:40:06 iirc some of this stuff needed members in germany (for this bank & paperwork). Mar 09 12:40:27 hence Doc, Juice, etc. Mar 09 12:42:42 anyway, DocScrutinizer05, hope you guys are able to do something. it'd be sad if we end up on the wrong side of the law Mar 09 12:43:50 if there was some way to help, i would, but i don't think the current issue can be helped remotely Mar 09 12:46:30 who is "you guys"? I for one was very clear about not being able to do more than join an occasional meeting and worst case sign an occasional paper somebody sends to me, and this hasn't changed since Mar 09 12:47:54 and even any of the above only on "personal invitation" since I'm not running any calendar and schedule, or todo list, for maemo Mar 09 12:48:39 I'm already overwhelmed by other similar tasks Mar 09 12:55:25 but first and foremost my mind can't deal with any of that anymore, particularly not with this kind of bashing and threatening Mar 09 13:06:03 me being fed up with this unbearable style from same direction already been the main reason for me stepping down from techstaff management while the rest of crew tried to deal with it by simply ignoring any undue offensive messages Mar 09 13:28:06 i hope, despite everything, some solution can be arrived at. the community will be eternally grateful Mar 09 14:11:56 first it needs a clear understanding of what's the problem at hand, in detail and without emotional escalation distorting the picture. AIUI a successor for chemist is needed - rather for the position/function he held in MCeV So that position needs definition available to those interested to help Mar 09 15:48:50 DocScrutinizer05: sorry if that was to much of an outburst yesterday, I am pretty fed up with the situation. I do not hold any position as of Oct17, the "things" I am still attached to are the MCeV address (receive mail, hold on to documents and hardware, send them where they need to be sent to) and the secondary and "in-Germany" contact for the bank-account (address as well) Mar 09 15:49:44 the occasional signing of something includes getting it notarized for court, always! Mar 09 15:52:04 it is not me threatning you with my action, it is the public court, atm I hold all of you clear of that and try to convince you (as in board) that you need to act, failing to do so forces me to notify court, telling you that is no threat, it is a plain fact that I move and that I have a court-order on my desk Mar 09 15:53:34 I could just tell court that I am no board since 2017 and see what happens, that would be the offensive move Mar 09 15:57:40 Jussi tries to save jobs at nokia, Falk does not react to any of this and you deny to have any responsibilities. While the latter is ok with me, I doubt public court will be ok with it. Mar 09 16:01:01 Jussi said something about someone volunteered to do the postal address, that someones address needs to be on court's record, I need a document signed by two board members (that needs to be notarized) stating that this someone may receive, open and hold on to documents sent to MCeV (forgot how it is called). Mar 09 16:01:35 not sure if that needs to be notarized actually, but better save than sorry Mar 09 16:05:15 then (again two) board needs to asign a secondary (or tertiary, don't care if I stay on the account) contact for the bank-account, that someone needs to be verified by the bank and gets access to the bank-account Mar 09 16:07:07 the banking thing is just a safety net in case of Jussi getting hit by a bus, I will probably be available every couple of weeks, just not on a regular basis Mar 09 16:09:37 so in short, court needs a change of board and address notification asap (means yesterday) Mar 09 16:12:34 that includes a document that states that change request, this needs to be notarized - attached to it must be the signed meeting minutes, signed by who took minutes and one board member, not notarized (was fine so far) Mar 09 16:13:42 any change/update request to court needs to be signed by two board members, both signatures need to be notarized Mar 09 16:18:26 whoever took the last minutes, needs to print them and send to the board member who will send the papers to court, another board member prints the request form, sign, notarize send to first board member mentioned, he signs both, notarize, send to court, done. Mar 09 16:18:58 sry "needs to print and sign" Mar 09 16:19:40 lots to read but it isn't rocket science in the end Mar 09 16:21:05 the not so nice way would be to leave me hanging with that court order, forcing me to notify court and we will see what happens then... Mar 09 16:24:11 which minutes are these? of a board meeting? Mar 09 17:37:02 sicelo: General Assembly Mar 09 17:40:24 the last one was so long ago. that's not going to affect these papers? or a GA must be arranged ASAP first? Mar 09 21:36:22 sicelo: what papers? the minutes and change to board have to be reported to court, this has not been done for over 2 years iirc - the request by court is because of that, they know we have an annual meeting so they expect annual updates, if there is nothing handed in you get a reminder with the option to tell there is no change Mar 09 21:37:22 that reminder comes with a reminder that it is mandatory and the next mail you get will be with a deadline and a fee attached **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 10 02:59:56 2019