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Apr 05 05:27:47 <brolin_empey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentalobe_security_screw
Apr 05 05:27:47 <brolin_empey> I somehow managed to miss the news that Apple tries to screw its customers who try to disassemble Apple products by using an unusual type of screw.  I guess the Apple fanpersons try to hide this fact.
Apr 05 06:10:04 <Vajb> They should use nails, no head no tampering.
Apr 05 06:11:54 <KotCzarny> or just weld things together
Apr 05 06:12:10 <KotCzarny> as a bonus, more dust resistant!
Apr 05 06:15:15 <brolin_empey> Nails have a head.
Apr 05 06:15:26 <KotCzarny> SOME HAVE
Apr 05 06:17:36 <brolin_empey> Is it feasible to use an LTE or LTE-A cellular modem as a fax modem?
Apr 05 06:17:56 <KotCzarny> is it possible that you have too much time ?
Apr 05 06:18:38 <brolin_empey> s/time/free time/
Apr 05 06:21:23 <brolin_empey> Usually I can use the POTS line at my office to send a fax but these lines are temporarily down but I still have an LTE or LTE-A cellular modem so my question is pragmatic in this case because I need to send a fax.
Apr 05 06:27:26 <brolin_empey> I discovered pentalobe screws today only because I know someone IRL whose Apple iPhone needs a new battery.
Apr 05 06:36:29 <sixwheeledbeast> I have a head but I don't believe it unscrews...
Apr 05 06:36:39 <KotCzarny> it does
Apr 05 06:36:41 <KotCzarny> only once
Apr 05 06:36:49 <KotCzarny> and you have 2 heads at least
Apr 05 06:36:57 <KotCzarny> so can be tried twice
Apr 05 06:39:26 <sixwheeledbeast> Good to know there is some redundancy there then if I break this one. AFAIK to unscrew implies there is a thread that can be adjusted?
Apr 05 06:40:06 <KotCzarny> then term 'screwing someone' is used incorrectly with humans, i guess
Apr 05 06:41:27 <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe the term is from ducks.
Apr 05 06:41:34 <KotCzarny> you mean pigs
Apr 05 06:41:41 <KotCzarny> but still
Apr 05 06:42:15 <sixwheeledbeast> Well I meant ducks but I suppose other animals have similar
Apr 05 06:42:25 <KotCzarny> check out pigs then
Apr 05 06:42:29 <KotCzarny> you will be amazed
Apr 05 06:50:03 <Vajb> screwing pigs sounds wrong from the start
Apr 05 06:54:01 <KotCzarny> drop the prejudice, educate yourself
Apr 05 06:54:02 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 05 06:55:34 <sixwheeledbeast> Interference fit doesn't quite have the same sound as screwing.
Apr 05 06:56:42 <KotCzarny> being too loose also lowers the fun
Apr 05 06:56:54 <KotCzarny> and sometimes prevents it altogether
Apr 05 07:19:08 <KotCzarny> being too big also prevents the fun
Apr 05 07:19:20 <KotCzarny> tool has to fit the task
Apr 05 07:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you generally can't do FAX via GDM codec at all. Via .711(?) (16bit 8kHz) it should work. And finally there's a specail T.??? protocol made for FAX. So it depends what codec your device and far end negotiate
Apr 05 07:50:26 <DocScrutinizer05> GSM
Apr 05 07:52:25 <DocScrutinizer05> headline looks to be on topic, didn't check at all:  https://nexbridge.co.uk/what-is-the-difference-between-g711-g729-and-gsm-and-why-does-the-codec-matter/
Apr 05 08:53:16 <brolin_empey> I did my own research, redd some discussions on Quora, found this Android application:
Apr 05 08:53:16 <brolin_empey> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=to.fax.android
Apr 05 08:53:16 <brolin_empey> It is interesting because it sounds like I do not have to subscribe to a paid service I will barely use but why is this application 51 MiB? 0_o  I think my question was phrased too theoretically.  I should have asked: Is it feasible to use the LTE or LTE-A cellular connectivity on my handheld computer running the Android OS to send a fax instead of using a fax modem with a POTS line or using some type of gateway to send a fax over the Internet to a fax 
Apr 05 08:53:16 <brolin_empey> server?  I can walk from my home to a business that offers fax sending and receiving service but I have no idea what they charge for this service.
Apr 05 08:54:41 <bencoh> there are quite a 'lot' of internet FAX service providers, yeah
Apr 05 08:55:07 <bencoh> most just require you to register/prepay and allow you to upload a pdf/image file
Apr 05 08:55:54 <bencoh> some ISPs also provide this service for 'free' (or a minimum charging fee)
Apr 05 08:56:33 <bencoh> (usually those ISPs also provide phone services)
Apr 05 09:00:14 <brolin_empey> Usually I could just use a POTS line at my office to send a fax but our POTS is temporarily suspended.
Apr 05 09:01:17 <brolin_empey> I caught myself after I wrote “POTS service”, heh.
Apr 05 09:44:16 <sixwheeledbeast> Happens with a lot of acronyms especially those that end in S like service or system for example. 
Apr 05 09:44:45 <sixwheeledbeast> SIPS system. Side Impact protection System, System.
Apr 05 09:45:30 <sixwheeledbeast> ABS system. Anti-lock Brake system, system.
Apr 05 09:47:36 <bencoh> :)
Apr 05 09:54:03 <sixwheeledbeast> For some reason there are more vehicular ones coming to mind at the moment.
Apr 05 11:27:20 <KotCzarny> i wonder if 'no sim' could be caused by that little slot side pin oxidation
Apr 05 11:27:40 <KotCzarny> recently i was getting nosim again, and looked at it closely
Apr 05 11:28:45 <KotCzarny> seems like contact could be getting worse over the years, i've cleaned it a little and bend tiny bit upwards
Apr 05 11:28:56 <KotCzarny> lets see how it fares in the next few weeks/months
Apr 05 12:09:21 <Vajb> I doubt the side pin does anything but grounds the sim dock.
Apr 05 12:11:47 <KotCzarny> imo it's a safety measure so it wont get powered while open etc
Apr 05 12:12:17 <KotCzarny> as it's specifically springed to act when it gets closed
Apr 05 12:12:46 <KotCzarny> try putting tiny piece of paper during closing to check if modem acts with 'no sim' on boot
Apr 05 12:16:00 <Vajb> oh, didn't think it would work like that but that is possible.
Apr 05 12:16:17 <Vajb> no need for checking now ;)
Apr 05 12:16:37 <KotCzarny> it might be also just gpio pin signalling open/close without any circuitry over that
Apr 05 12:16:54 <KotCzarny> hard to know without schematics
Apr 05 12:17:24 <Vajb> but also hard to open that switch without removing battery
Apr 05 12:17:39 <KotCzarny> that's the funny part
Apr 05 12:17:55 <KotCzarny> what function it has?
Apr 05 12:18:27 <Vajb> but it could be some "just in case" method if the device is tested in a r&d bench without battery
Apr 05 12:18:44 <Vajb> if such thing ever existed
Apr 05 12:18:53 <Vajb> or is it excisted?
Apr 05 12:19:00 <KotCzarny> 'existed'
Apr 05 12:19:07 <KotCzarny> but yeah, those exist
Apr 05 12:19:26 <KotCzarny> ie. some risers that you can plug serial port underneath battery
Apr 05 12:19:54 <Vajb> thats the only function that I can think of it
Apr 05 12:23:11 <KotCzarny> http://n900.elektranox.org/serial-adapter-gallery.html
Apr 05 12:23:12 <KotCzarny> o.O
Apr 05 12:24:00 <KotCzarny> anyway, 'grounding' function of the pin is unlikely as the whole slot is made from metal anyway
Apr 05 12:26:44 <zenev0> why my n9 will black out after i turned off the als
Apr 05 12:27:19 <Vajb> interesting like
Apr 05 12:27:27 <Vajb> link*
Apr 05 12:28:00 <zenev0> when i lock the screen then i can't unlock it again
Apr 05 12:28:06 <Vajb> looks a bit like tv shop "do you suffer of broken usb port"...
Apr 05 12:28:36 <Vajb> zenev0: I dont have N9, sorry.
Apr 05 12:29:07 <Vajb> is there dedicated channel for N9?
Apr 05 12:30:46 <zenev0> if there was i would appreciate
Apr 05 12:31:23 <KotCzarny> ask a question and leave, thats not how irc works, heh
Apr 05 12:32:05 <Vajb> maybe he went to find one...
Apr 05 12:32:48 <KotCzarny> anyway, do you suffer 'nosim/no network' syndrome on your n900?
Apr 05 12:41:41 <Vajb> KotCzarny: not anymore. I switched to my spare n900
Apr 05 12:41:57 <KotCzarny> do you still have the quirky one?
Apr 05 12:42:04 <Vajb> but old one knew the trick
Apr 05 12:42:12 <Vajb> sure
Apr 05 12:44:00 <KotCzarny> maybe you could put some spare sim in it to test the pin theory
Apr 05 12:44:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 12:50:01 <Vajb> we'll see, but I dont promise ;)ä
Apr 05 15:51:43 <DocScrutinizer05> >>The X210 is a strange machine. A set of Chinese enthusiasts developed a series of motherboards that slot into old Thinkpad chassis, providing significantly more up to date hardware.<<   and a nice detail: >>The other fun thing about it is that none of the firmware flashing protection is enabled, including Intel Boot Guard.<<
Apr 05 15:51:55 <DocScrutinizer05> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/50924.html
Apr 05 16:01:52 <r00t-home> interestingn read, that signal handling article... i'd maybe add: it's rare and maybe bad practice to call interactive programs from scripts, the handling inside scripts mostly applies to scripts called by other scripts, and even when not killing oneself in the signal handler, good practice would be to exit with error status (not success), and then good practivce for a calling script would in most cases be to abort
Apr 05 16:18:41 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: whats strange about it?
Apr 05 16:19:07 <buZz> oh, they confused X201 and X210 there? :P (x210 didnt exist)
Apr 05 16:19:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Apr 05 16:20:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you looked at https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/50924.html ?
Apr 05 16:20:52 <buZz> ah, its about 51nb's modelnumber
Apr 05 16:20:58 <buZz> but , x210 isnt a -machine-
Apr 05 16:21:02 <buZz> its just a collection mods to x201
Apr 05 16:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> X210 is to X201 what Neo900 is to N900
Apr 05 16:22:26 <buZz> interesting part is mostly the irrelevance :P not many ppl voluntary pay ~900 euro for a motherboard for a ancient laptop ;)
Apr 05 16:22:38 <buZz> probably less 51nb customers then neo900 ones :P
Apr 05 16:24:34 <DocScrutinizer05> the openness might be worth it
Apr 05 16:25:21 <DocScrutinizer05> alas [5 Apr 2019 17:46:04] <L29Ah> too bad the X210 guy won't answer my pleas about low level docs/source code, so i have to reverse engineer to fix its faults
Apr 05 16:27:35 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: I just wonder if you're aware I just quoted. I never said X210 is a machine. Or anything else in that regard
Apr 05 16:28:27 <buZz> ok, your paste did ;)
Apr 05 16:29:18 <KotCzarny> i guess quite important bit is disabled mei with coreboot?
Apr 05 16:29:26 <KotCzarny> or it's deeper than that?
Apr 05 16:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> good question
Apr 05 16:34:39 <KotCzarny> Why not Libreboot? Because modern Intel SoCs haven't had their memory initialisation code reverse engineered, so the only way to boot them is to use the proprietary Intel Firmware Support Package
Apr 05 16:34:41 <KotCzarny> fun
Apr 05 16:34:54 <KotCzarny> why the hell is such thing kept closed/
Apr 05 16:35:17 <KotCzarny> and it includes arm systems too
Apr 05 16:37:06 <KotCzarny> also interesting bit from comments:
Apr 05 16:37:08 <KotCzarny> No implied judgement here, but may I ask out of curiosity why you copyrighted your files "Copyright (C) 2018 Google Inc."? Was this work you did for Google (which would surprise me a bit).
Apr 05 16:37:11 <KotCzarny> As a US-based employee of Google, Google assert that they own all software I develop (even in my own time)
Apr 05 16:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> [5 Apr 2019 18:36:55] <L29Ah> but it's convenient to also use me_cleaner during coreboot installation
Apr 06 02:22:48 <eqw> is it possible to control alarm clock from command line?
Apr 06 02:24:05 <eqw> i cannot find where alarm clock stores its data
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