**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 17 02:59:57 2019 Apr 17 04:36:37 DocScrutinizer05: Do you mean an address in a place referred to as China or do you mean an address written in a Chinese language? Apr 17 04:39:08 I guess English can be considered a Chinese language since it seems to be commonly used in the two Chinas. Apr 17 04:42:28 Well, a language of China but maybe not a Chinese language, maybe similar to the difference between, for example, a flag of Canada and a Canadian flag: the flag of British Columbia is a Canadian flag but it is not the flag of Canada. Apr 17 06:05:56 maps.google.com does work in Fennec, at least partially, but very slowly, at legendary slow pace of Fennec Apr 17 06:29:26 Oksana: the j2me Google Maps application works quite well and fast with phoneme/cvm. only it can't get gps coordinates, althought it manages to turn gps on Apr 17 06:52:38 Run Google Maps for Android on Maemo? Apr 17 06:53:39 how? Apr 17 06:56:49 sicelo: I do not remember the specifics but I think they were discussed in this channel, likely involving me, years ago. You need a kernel that includes some stuff used by Android (drivers?) and a GNU+Linux application whose name I forget that can run Android applications on GNU+Linux. Apr 17 07:01:49 ah Apr 17 07:04:59 I remember being interested in running Android applications on Maemo 5 in 2014 and maybe 2013 too but I never actually tried it because I switched to Android because my N900 user experience in Canada was too bad. Apr 17 07:08:39 My N900 has been running idle on my computer table at home for months by now but my N900 is so slow that it literally takes a few seconds between me sliding the switch on the side and something being drawn on the display. Apr 17 07:09:33 I mean sliding the switch on the side when the display was off. Apr 17 07:14:09 Partially incidentally: Does DirectFB still exist? I remember it from over a decade ago but have not heard of it for a long time by now. Apr 17 07:17:49 things rarely cease to exist Apr 17 07:18:09 digital things* Apr 17 07:19:40 last commit was 3 years ago tho https://github.com/deniskropp/DirectFB Apr 17 07:20:10 http://digital.com/ is no longer used by DEC/Compaq/HP. ;-) Apr 17 07:24:05 luke-jr: In this case, I meant is the DirectFB project still active/supported/usable with current hardware and software. I was reading about DirectFB on en.wikipedia.org after I asked here. Apr 17 07:24:28 brolin_empey: well, DirectFB can run in an X11 window, so.. Apr 17 07:25:04 I wrote some software that uses it in 2014, and it still works :P Apr 17 07:28:02 OK but there are projects such as Mac-on-Linux that still exist but appear to be mostly inactive and no longer working with current software, in this case presumably because Mac-on-Linux became significantly less relevant after Apple switched from PowerPC to x86. Apr 17 07:31:46 That said, I do not know if it is still feasible to use a current GNU+Linux distribution on PowerPC because I believe Apple was the primary user of PowerPC for desktop/notebook computers. Apr 17 07:32:28 Apple, those fools Apr 17 07:32:39 brolin_empey: PPC is making a come back Apr 17 07:32:50 brolin_empey: my new desktop is PPC Apr 17 07:33:05 well, 1 year old now I guess, but still pretty bleeding edge Apr 17 07:33:40 new enough to have driver issues still :p Apr 17 07:34:05 luke-jr: PowerPC or Power ISA but not PowerPC? Apr 17 07:34:21 brolin_empey: Power ISA 3.0 Apr 17 07:34:27 which is apparently still considered PowerPC Apr 17 07:36:13 What about XFree68? Yes, not XFree86. Is XFree68 still alive? I thought even Debian GNU+Linux dropped the m68k port. Apr 17 07:37:24 XFree86 died before Maemo was a thing.. Apr 17 07:37:37 never heard of XFree68 Apr 17 07:39:25 XFree86 continued for a while after the X.Org fork. XFree68 was XFree86 for m68k if I recall correctly, hence the name. Apr 17 08:38:20 brolin_empey: sicelo : apkenv needs to be compiled/packaged for N900. Last I remember, it's packaged for N9/or/Pandora but not N900? Should be trivial, but requires knowledge of Debian packaging, time and patience. Apr 17 08:49:14 https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2090 Apr 17 08:49:14 “One side effect of the UFB approach is virtually all Linux/m68k binaries are compatible with all Linux/m68k platforms. For example, the XFree68 server binary can operate all of the display hardware supported by Linux/m68k on both the Atari and Amiga. Even the kernel can be compiled to run on both Ataris and Amigas, and was distributed this way until the 2.0 series, when the number of devices needed for each OS made the combined kernel too large for users Apr 17 08:49:14 with only 4 MB of RAM. More programs supporting the UFB interface are forthcoming.” Apr 17 08:49:14 Apparently at least some of my speculation about binary compatibility between different computer platforms using the same ISA/CPU architecture was incorrect but this article is from 1997, by which point Commodore (the company) had died and Apple had already begun switching from m68k to PowerPC. The title of this article is kind of a misnomer at least in a literal sense because it says Linux runs on the 68000 but the body of the article then says Linux only Apr 17 08:49:14 runs on 68020 and higher. Apr 17 08:56:16 Oksana: N900 is the hardware, not a software environment. Apparently Android can run as the host OS with limitations on the N900 but I do not know why someone would want to do that compared to using, for example, an HTC myTouch 4G Slide that ships with Android. Apr 17 11:46:45 hi there! is the calendar GUI open source? I'd like to hack some Apr 17 11:47:46 also, bugs.maemo.org has an expired certificate Apr 17 12:10:50 there it is: https://github.com/gidzzz/qalendar Apr 17 12:11:06 a bit too complicated, but it seems to do support biweekly schedules Apr 17 12:54:29 yes, qalendar is nice Apr 17 12:57:05 so a few hours ago i found out that on Android, one can send the location using an SMS (no need to know what the coordinates are), and i like this for use with friends & family who are not bothered to understand GPS coordinates Apr 17 12:57:41 but then, google encodes the link, e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/place/@/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x1ee8cedc944f8bcd:0x13f41fdb0b5f97ce Apr 17 13:01:33 you can get the GPS coordinates by using curl for example, and finding the part with /maps/preview/place/ Apr 17 13:01:42 If I recall correctly, “GPS coordinates” are actually WGS84 coordinates? Apr 17 13:02:24 just wondering if someone else has played with this before and found easy way to extract gps coordinates Apr 17 13:11:36 brolin_empey: EPSG:4326 Apr 17 13:11:44 aka WGS 84 Apr 17 13:17:29 buZz: OK. Apr 17 13:41:00 sicelo: not extract, but... https://osm.org/go/0GDiC7rp Apr 17 13:42:15 it also exposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_URI_scheme Apr 17 13:56:36 thanks. sorry i think i didn't explain myself properly ... i need to be able to retreive the coordinates from the Google-formatted location. Apr 17 13:58:24 the idea is that someone using an android device sends their location via SMS, i find the latitude/longitude from their URL, and can feed that to Ovi Maps to find my way to them, for example Apr 17 14:00:28 these are the perks of using N900 as opposed to 'sane' modern devices :-) Apr 17 14:11:53 well I can't offer you a solution for your current workflow, but I can propose a workflow based on OSM and standards instead :) Apr 17 14:12:57 does anyone know what target rustc needs to compile for the N900? any pitfalls I should expect? Apr 17 14:17:45 rhn_mk1: i don't know if i'm missing something, but i can't see a connection between OSM and a location link formatted like https://www.google.com/maps/place/@/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x1ee8cedc944f8bcd:0x13f41fdb0b5f97ce Apr 17 14:18:37 a link formatted like this: https://osm.org/go/0GDiC7rp provides the same service: it sends the location from one person to another Apr 17 14:19:36 i understand you a bit better now Apr 17 14:19:49 :-) Apr 17 14:24:40 I admit I might be a bit pushy about OSM ;) Apr 17 14:28:49 i love OSM, and have contributed a few times to the map Apr 17 14:40:21 rhn_mk1: assuming you're targetting maemo5, it should be armel/softfp iirc Apr 17 14:41:39 I'm going to try armv4t-unknown-linux-gnueabi, Debian's armel is v4t Apr 17 14:45:20 The N900 is ARMv7 if I recall correctly. Apr 17 14:46:09 I mean the Cortex A8 CPU used in the N900 is ARMv7. Apr 17 14:55:26 Wikipedia says that the Cortex A8 is ARMv7-A. Apr 17 14:59:03 that's a good thing, because Rust's armv4t cross-tolchain is not easily testable. I'll go up step by step Apr 17 15:02:04 The Samsung S3C2410A(L) and S3C2440 are ARMv4. Apr 17 15:04:07 Freescale i.MX283 is ARMv5. Original Raspberry Pi is ARMv6. Apr 17 17:27:28 it was worth a try: "./rust-1.34.0-arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi/rustc/bin/rustc: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found" Apr 17 17:27:34 back to cross-compiling **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 17 22:48:44 2019 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 18 02:59:57 2019