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Apr 28 06:05:08 <brolin_empey> Heh, I just accidentally discovered that the Web version of Google Calendar allows moving between months by rolling the mouse wheel.  I have been using Google Calendar for years and never knew it had this feature until now.
Apr 28 08:12:04 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: So, which model of ZenFone are you using?
Apr 28 08:14:09 <brolin_empey> Does Maemo have something like Camscanner or Scanbot for Android?  I have been using document scanner applications instead of a normal camera application a lot since I discovered document scanner applications.
Apr 28 08:14:44 <KotCzarny> asus_x007d
Apr 28 08:23:51 <brolin_empey> https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-Go-ZB552KL/specifications/
Apr 28 08:23:51 <brolin_empey> This one?  It is ARM with a difficult to remove battery.
Apr 28 11:38:30 <sicelo> what do those apps do, brolin_empey
Apr 28 11:46:56 <brolin_empey> sicelo: They are meant to replace a dedicated image scanner for common usage.  If you want a digital photograph of something tangible and flat such as a piece of paper or a plastic card, you use the application to photograph the subject against a contrasting background (my desktop with a woodgrain texture at my office seems to suffice even though it is not a plain, uniform colour and even the transparent glass table I use at home may suffice too, I do not 
Apr 28 11:46:56 <brolin_empey> remember if it does and I am not currently at home), then the application automatically crops the subject, straightens and rotates the image, and applies a filter to brighten the image inclusive-or to improve the contrast of the image.  You can manually adjust the selection for cropping and rotate the image if necessary and choose which, if any, filter to apply.
Apr 28 11:50:51 <sicelo> jfrontview900 on Maemo does that, although i think its feature set is not as extensive as what you just described
Apr 28 11:51:06 <sicelo> s/jf/f/
Apr 28 11:51:06 <infobot> sicelo meant: frontview900 on Maemo does that, although i think its feature set is not as extensive as what you just described
Apr 28 11:54:10 <brolin_empey> sicelo: Right, I think I may have seen that type of application for Maemo but never tried that type of application for Maemo.
Apr 28 11:54:27 <bencoh> ah right, that one is non-free :(
Apr 28 11:57:07 <brolin_empey> bencoh: Does that matter in practice?  I have used some open-source software such as the Apache HTTP Server for at least 1.5 decades by now yet cannot remember ever needing to read the source code.
Apr 28 11:59:07 <brolin_empey> That said, in this case part of the reason why I do not need to read the source code is because the Apache HTTP Server is well documented.  Sometimes I have had to read the source code of software I use because the documentation did not answer my question.
Apr 28 11:59:38 <sixwheeledbeast> I think i used frontview900 recently pretty impressed
Apr 28 12:11:08 <brolin_empey> Apparently Windows NT 4.0 can be built from the source codebase that was publicly leaked in 2004.  I wonder if this means it is technically possible and maybe even feasible to build a version of NT 4 that runs as the host OS on the Apple Power Macintosh platform.  Windows NT 4 for PowerPC as publicly released by Microsoft is for only the PowerPC Reference Platform (PReP), not the PowerMac platform, although reportedly Apple and Microsoft discussed the 
Apr 28 12:11:08 <brolin_empey> possibility of Microsoft supporting the PowerMac platform in Windows NT.  Yes, I realise that Windows NT for PowerPC has significant usability limitations in practice due to much software for Windows being closed-source and not released for non-x86 architectures but this is something to be done because it can be done, not because it is often useful in practice, like me installing a 5.25-inch High-density flexible disc drive in my Core 2 Quad tower computer 
Apr 28 12:11:08 <brolin_empey> or using XF86_mono with an ET1000 model of 8-bit ISA video card from the 1980s as the only video controller in a Pentium III tower computer.
Apr 28 12:13:29 <brolin_empey> Or using my dot-matrix impact printer with parallel interface from the 1980s on Windows 10 for x86-64 on my home computer.
Apr 28 12:25:47 <brolin_empey> Is Apple the only brand of PowerPC notebook computer produced?
Apr 28 12:26:59 <brolin_empey> No, IBM released at least one PowerPC ThinkPad model in around 1995.
Apr 28 12:27:15 <KotCzarny> 10:24 #maemo brolin_empey> This one?  It is ARM with a difficult to remove battery.
Apr 28 12:27:17 <KotCzarny> only if you are completely 2 left handed
Apr 28 12:27:20 <KotCzarny> 6 screws and back panel
Apr 28 12:28:17 <brolin_empey> I already discussed that in this channel years (?) ago.  KotCzarny apparently did not know that a PowerPC ThinkPad existed until I mentioned it.
Apr 28 12:31:57 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: It is difficult to remove if you do not have the required screw driver and working space when you need to remove the battery.  The battery on, for example, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 or LG G5 can be easily and quickly removed with only hands and fingers, no tool required.
Apr 28 12:32:55 <brolin_empey> or on a Nokia N900 for that matter.
Apr 28 12:35:34 <Maxdamantus> My guess is that it would be easier to port Wine to PPC than to port Windows NT.
Apr 28 12:36:05 <Maxdamantus> unless the NT codebase was already developed in such a way to make the architecture fairly generic.
Apr 28 12:36:42 <Maxdamantus> oh, you said it was already released for PPC.
Apr 28 12:38:44 <brolin_empey> Also, if disassembling this ZenFone model is like disassembling the Nokia N900 or some other devices, disassembling it in my office or residence with a carpeted floor means that at least one of the tiny screws falls off of the desktop/tabletop and is literally never found because it is practically impossible to find on the carpeted floor.
Apr 28 12:40:34 <bencoh> nowadays people would just compile wine for x86 and run it using qemu-user-ppc anyway
Apr 28 12:40:43 <brolin_empey> Maxdamantus: Yes, Windows NT 4 for PowerPC shipped but only for the PowerPC Reference Platform (PReP), not the PowerMac platform.
Apr 28 12:47:07 <brolin_empey> And, also as already discussed in this channel months or years ago, it seems that the feature phone world may have never switched to “difficult to remove”/“non-removable”/“requiring more than hands and fingers to remove” batteries.
Apr 28 12:49:53 <brolin_empey> Unless a feature phone is designed to be so low cost that the battery is soldered instead of using a connector, which I think I saw done on a very low cost feature phone from Asia.
Apr 28 13:19:22 <brolin_empey> bencoh: What specifically is qemu-user-ppc?  I know what qemu is but can find few mentions of qemu-user-ppc on the Internet.
Apr 28 13:21:22 <bencoh> qemu-user allows running foreign arch userspace binaries by emulating cpu while still making use of host kernel for syscalls and such
Apr 28 13:31:23 <brolin_empey> bencoh: OK, so what did you mean in your previous comment?  Using GNU+Linux for PowerPC to run Wine for x86 to effectively run a Windows application built for x86 on a PowerPC computer running GNU+Linux?
Apr 28 13:33:40 <brolin_empey> Reportedly Wine needs support from the kernel too so I do not know if you can use Wine on a non-x86 platform if the kernel is not x86?
Apr 28 13:34:25 <bencoh> brolin_empey: you can run x86 wine on non-x86 platforms using qemu-user
Apr 28 13:34:41 <bencoh> (oh, and, that'd actually be qemu-user-x86 in that usecase)
Apr 28 13:36:56 <brolin_empey> Other than using winelib to build a Windows application from source for ARM using the GNU development tools so that a Windows application can run using winelib on ARM Linux but I have still never tried that.
Apr 28 13:38:18 <brolin_empey> bencoh: Does that work for running Windows applications built for x86 on Android for ARM even if you have to run a GNU userland/userspace and possibly an X server on top of Android?
Apr 28 13:40:28 <bencoh> brolin_empey: https://www.maketecheasier.com/run-windows-apps-android-with-wine/ https://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
Apr 28 13:40:33 <brolin_empey> Yes, I realise that I could use an x86 Android handheld computer such as the Asus ZenFone 2 from 2015 but I dislike the hardware design that requires more than hands and fingers to remove the battery.
Apr 28 13:41:09 <bencoh> I wouldn't want to use windows app on a phone tbh, but that's your call
Apr 28 13:49:52 <brolin_empey> I would rather use an x86 smartphone than use an N900 as a smartphone.
Apr 28 13:54:54 <bencoh> your call :)
Apr 28 13:56:52 <brolin_empey> Whilst I still used an N900, I missed many voice calls because of the N900.
Apr 28 22:46:56 <brolin_empey> Is there a currently available model of 2.5-inch HDD with storage capacity >2 TB but with height <=9.5 mm?  I see that Seagate has 3-, 4-, and 5-TB models with 15 mm height but I need <=9.5-mm height.
Apr 28 22:51:02 <brolin_empey> Is there any Web store that sells 2.5-inch HDDs that can search based on the height of the drive so I do not have to manually look up specs for models of drives offered?  Maybe the HDD manufacturers have this capability on their Web site if they sell HDDs direct to consumers but the brand of drive does not matter.  Granted, at the most I guess I would have to check only three Web sites because apparently Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba are the only HDD
Apr 28 22:51:02 <brolin_empey>  manufacturers left.
Apr 28 22:55:23 <buZz> hehe. tweakers.net/pricewatch lets you filter on size
Apr 28 22:55:32 <buZz> just checked, there's no >2TB of 9.5mm or smaller
Apr 28 22:55:54 <buZz> Seagate Spinpoint M9T, 2TB
Apr 28 22:56:23 <buZz> the 3TB 2.5" i have in my server is also really thick
Apr 28 22:59:52 <brolin_empey> buZz: OK, thank you.  I was hoping that 2.5-inch <=9.5-mm HDDs had surpassed 2 TB by now because they reached 2 TB in 2015, after WD brought the first 2-TB 2.5-inch HDD, which is 15 mm high, to market in 2013.
Apr 28 23:00:31 <buZz> i think we'll see >2TB SSD 2.5" before ;)
Apr 28 23:00:57 <buZz> oh, they're already here
Apr 28 23:01:57 <buZz> 6.8mm thick samsung 860 QVO 4TB is 490 euro :P
Apr 28 23:05:08 <brolin_empey> That price is way too high for me but I did buy a 1-TB 2.5-inch SATA SSD for my office computer last year, which is awesome because it means I do not need an HDD in my office computer.
Apr 28 23:05:36 <buZz> yeah its great to get rid of them :D
Apr 28 23:17:34 <brolin_empey> Apparently both ST2000LM015 and ST2000LX001 are only 7 mm high.  Is 2 TB still the largest storage capacity for <=9.5-mm height?
Apr 28 23:31:00 <buZz> maybe ask in ##hardware, they might know
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