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Jun 25 08:50:09 <irth> with cars its not even just names
Jun 25 08:50:11 <irth> the brand varies too
Jun 25 17:35:16 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm never had a headset not realise it's a headset any more odd
Jun 25 20:50:56 <xmn> Hey maemo fam, I could use some help. My n900 thinks that the keyboard is always open. I've not been able to track down why this is happening. But even on reboot it thinks it's open and activates bootmenu. Any insight would be great. thx
Jun 25 20:52:10 <KotCzarny> magnet fell off?
Jun 25 20:53:26 <xmn> thank for chiming in KotCzarny
Jun 25 20:53:36 <xmn> the battery on the back cover?
Jun 25 20:54:21 <xmn> I thought that only effect the camera and the sd card
Jun 25 20:54:53 <KotCzarny> i might be wrong, just wild guess
Jun 25 20:55:47 <xmn> I can certainly try a stronger magnet :D. But I did fix that previously with a new glue on magnet.
Jun 25 20:56:10 <KotCzarny> oh, so you had magnet trouble alreay?
Jun 25 20:56:12 <KotCzarny> *already
Jun 25 20:56:20 <xmn> appreciate your helping
Jun 25 20:56:46 <sixwheeledbeast> ~beasttweaks
Jun 25 20:56:50 <xmn> KotCzarny: Yeah the little mag on the back cover did fall off. So I fix it. no problem since. This was new
Jun 25 20:57:12 <sixwheeledbeast> where for art thou infobot?
Jun 25 20:59:05 <xmn> KotCzarny: Some one else has backup your thoughts. So for sure will have to look into this.
Jun 25 21:03:17 <sicelo> magnet on back cover is for SD card detection
Jun 25 21:04:06 <sicelo> i forgot how slide is detected, but i also seem to think it's magnet, but unsure where that one is located 
Jun 25 21:04:10 <sixwheeledbeast> while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state; done
Jun 25 21:15:32 <xmn> sixwheeledbeast: Thx for this info. will try it now
Jun 25 21:16:06 <xmn> I do have a 2nd n900 disassembled, so will look at that for any mangets
Jun 25 21:25:24 <sicelo> the magnet is in the screen housing, evidently, and the sensor is somewhere around top row of keyboard. i don't see how this magnet can get lost 
Jun 25 21:34:16 <xmn> hmm, yeah strange. I had not drop it in awhile. And it just seem to happen.
Jun 25 21:34:29 <xmn> but very useful info sicelo
Jun 25 21:44:10 <xmn> sixwheeledbeast: ran your cmd = open
Jun 25 21:44:42 <xmn> but does the fact that I have to type on the open keyboard matter for this cmd?
Jun 25 21:45:18 <xmn> can't remember how to to press enter with out the on screen keyboard
Jun 25 21:45:41 <xmn> all I have is the buttons on the bottom of the terminal window
Jun 25 21:45:53 <xmn> maybe I can add one to it .. hmm
Jun 25 21:51:35 <sicelo> type on keyboard :)
Jun 25 22:35:09 <xmn> So it looks there is in fact a magnet for the keyboard!
Jun 25 22:36:20 <xmn> It's on the screen side and basically above the P key.
Jun 25 22:37:01 <xmn> It's pretty small though. and doesn't look like it would fall out, but kinda of hard to check.
Jun 25 22:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> >><sicelo> haha, now i remember - forgot to do mkswap << yeah, swap also needs "formatting" now, this is "new"
Jun 25 22:55:45 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for bot missing. Will be back soon , I didn't notice :-S
Jun 25 22:56:43 <DocScrutinizer05> another 2 some minutes until next watchdog ping, then bot reboot and hopefully bot returns instantly
Jun 25 22:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05> my watchdog job didn't run
Jun 25 22:57:46 <xmn> For those interested, I've marked where the magnet possibly for the keyboard is. https://i.postimg.cc/kX4VczMN/n900-screen-back.png
Jun 25 22:58:31 <DocScrutinizer05> it's between "i" and "O" on kbd, and magnet on display slider backside
Jun 25 22:58:41 <xmn> Was able to try your cmd sixwheeledbeast now with the keyboard close. via ssh
Jun 25 22:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> hallswitch under I O keys
Jun 25 22:58:53 <xmn> DocScrutinizer05: I guess I should say for US keyboard :D
Jun 25 22:59:37 <xmn> oh, I guess close enough ..lol
Jun 25 22:59:50 <xmn> what the hallswitch?
Jun 25 23:00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg
Jun 25 23:01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty much above 3rd key from right, a tad towards 4th key
Jun 25 23:02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the black little critter withing the white domesheet
Jun 25 23:02:53 <xmn> I think I see that.
Jun 25 23:03:33 <DocScrutinizer05> https://i.imgur.com/048Y6EW.png
Jun 25 23:03:53 <xmn> yup
Jun 25 23:04:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Jun 25 23:04:53 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Jun 25 23:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sucker
Jun 25 23:05:03 <infobot> from memory, sucker is something you shouldn't tell in public
Jun 25 23:05:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~useless
Jun 25 23:05:14 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Jun 25 23:05:22 <xmn> So this a chip that interacts with the magnet to check for the keyboard state
Jun 25 23:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, a hall sensor
Jun 25 23:05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> wikipwedia will know
Jun 25 23:07:04 <DocScrutinizer05> the electronic /solid-state version of a Reed switch
Jun 25 23:07:43 <xmn> hehe, thx man. More than I already knew.
Jun 25 23:07:45 <DocScrutinizer05> it simply checks for magnetic field
Jun 25 23:07:56 <xmn> got yah
Jun 25 23:08:44 <xmn> so I guess I may need to check if this has fallen off. Which means I may need to take apart my current working n900 :(
Jun 25 23:09:03 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry couldn't help but had to brag with my knowledge and my fine pictures in Neo900-exploded gallery ;-D
Jun 25 23:09:19 <xmn> haha
Jun 25 23:09:42 <xmn> it's all help .... ish :p
Jun 25 23:10:28 <DocScrutinizer05> there has to be a tiny magnet in that bay you found baqckside of display slide. If it's missing, it fell off and prolly got lost (unless it cought hold somewhere else in N900
Jun 25 23:10:29 <xmn> the bigger question is how to test for hardware vs software to track down this issue.
Jun 25 23:10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> )
Jun 25 23:11:08 <xmn> it seem to small and inset to just fall off though.
Jun 25 23:11:16 <DocScrutinizer05> you can use whatever magnet you find to trigger the hall sensor and make N900m thing slide is open
Jun 25 23:11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> think*
Jun 25 23:11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> *make N900 think*, even
Jun 25 23:12:17 <xmn> yeah that what I figured, just tried it in a few place around where we said. But still says open
Jun 25 23:12:43 <DocScrutinizer05> wait, it says "open"?
Jun 25 23:13:06 <DocScrutinizer05> without magnet it should say "slide closed"
Jun 25 23:13:11 <xmn> cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state; done
Jun 25 23:13:46 <xmn> been using this from sixwheeledbeast, to tell if it's open are close via SW
Jun 25 23:14:28 <xmn> So I login via ssh, and tested it with the device open, close, with magnet and without. all said open.
Jun 25 23:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not nice. either the magent got stuck on hall sensor (please check!), or the hall sensor is defect
Jun 25 23:15:59 <xmn> :(
Jun 25 23:16:42 <xmn> so in your opinion, this can't be software related? Like these type of bugs, https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/17
Jun 25 23:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# watch cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state
Jun 25 23:17:11 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo-leste? sorry no idea
Jun 25 23:17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> all is possible I guess
Jun 25 23:17:31 <xmn> yeah, I hear yah
Jun 25 23:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not doing debugging or help for leste
Jun 25 23:17:59 <xmn> many thing of course overlap
Jun 25 23:18:04 <xmn> but I get yah
Jun 25 23:18:21 <xmn> am I to try that cmd you posted?
Jun 25 23:18:50 <xmn> oh, nm that an irc thing :)
Jun 25 23:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I need a working phone, and as I understand it leste doesn't even _plan_ to ever achieve that state on N900
Jun 25 23:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> that command watch checks every 2 seconds per default the reply from inner command (cat  /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state)
Jun 25 23:24:11 <xmn> ah, okay can give it a try. thx
Jun 25 23:24:40 <DocScrutinizer05> NAME
Jun 25 23:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05>        watch - execute a program periodically, showing output fullscreen
Jun 25 23:24:43 <DocScrutinizer05> SYNOPSIS
Jun 25 23:24:45 <DocScrutinizer05>        watch [-bdehpvtx] [-n seconds] [--beep] [--differences[=cumulative]] [--errexit] [--exec] [--help] [--interval=seconds] [--no-title] [--precise] [--version] command
Jun 25 23:26:20 <xmn> cool tool
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