**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 20 02:59:57 2019 Jul 20 07:37:22 zile will be in extras-devel Jul 20 09:30:57 Aha - I think I may have tricked myself again... Jul 20 09:33:35 hmmm, nope, apt-cache is being cranky and not showing zile after an update Jul 20 09:35:35 hmm, even the update seemed to have issues - claiming that extras-devel was a duplicate or something Jul 20 09:36:33 not reproduceable Jul 20 09:37:31 apt is not "apt" in maemo Jul 20 09:37:43 ~hamvsfam Jul 20 09:37:44 rumour has it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 Jul 20 09:41:38 Ahhh, happy memories. The number of times the word braindead was flung in the direction of userspace was legion. Jul 20 09:49:04 HAM isn't showing zile either Jul 20 09:49:32 you have extras-devel enabled Jul 20 09:49:37 ? Jul 20 09:49:50 ~pkg Jul 20 09:49:50 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 20 09:50:09 Oh, shit - I just deleted my sources.list! Jul 20 09:50:57 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/zile/2.3.21-3/ Jul 20 09:51:21 wanted a previous ls line in my history, but selected an rm instead! Jul 20 09:51:47 package may not have valid control file, may not show. Jul 20 09:51:50 (a tab-completion was involved too) Jul 20 09:54:55 Do I need the mirror of the old freemantle repos still, now I've upgraded to CSSU? Jul 20 09:57:55 repository.maemo.org/extras[foo] Jul 20 09:58:32 Mirror are just for Nokia repos Jul 20 10:00:15 Yer I don't think zile built properly Jul 20 10:00:44 so I don't need to recreate the maemo.muarf.org lines, or do I? Jul 20 10:01:28 wait a sec - HAM should have a record of the repos it knew about, as it gave them names - where are they stored, I could just copy/paste perhaps? Jul 20 10:04:31 erk, some XML file found... Jul 20 10:04:41 I have never deleted my sources.list :shrug: Jul 20 10:05:45 top tip - don't do shit as root first thing after waking up! Jul 20 10:06:15 if only my pesky meddling editor saved backup files, like zile does... Jul 20 10:07:41 sources.list seems empty for me Jul 20 10:07:53 yeah, I meant the one in .d Jul 20 10:08:18 sources.list.d is a folder that contains a hildon-application-manager.list Jul 20 10:08:43 that is a file with the repos in Jul 20 10:08:47 that's the guy Jul 20 10:09:32 I imagine touching the files and then opening HAM will repopulate Jul 20 10:09:33 /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues seems to be what HAM uses as well, or as an alternative to. Jul 20 10:11:06 I imagine /etc/h-a-m/catalogues contains all repos even the disabled ones. HAM will likely fix h-a-m.list if the file structure is correct Jul 20 10:11:40 "likely" ;-) Jul 20 10:12:20 never messed in there before, but HAM must have access to both Jul 20 10:12:51 if you disable a repo it needs to store it somewhere, it doesn't just comment it out. Jul 20 10:14:56 for science (and because I know I'll do a reflash tomorrow) I will test that hypothesis! Jul 20 10:16:46 anyone who demands that repo management may only be done in a GUI should be chemically castrated Jul 20 10:17:29 there's more than one layer of hell, userspace, and then lower is guispace! Jul 20 10:25:49 confirmed - the ones HAM knew about were recreated Jul 20 10:26:31 now adding extras-testing and extras-devel the GUI way... Jul 20 10:31:03 don't bother with testing. Jul 20 10:33:02 testing ain't going to be useful with Maemo in it's current position. Great QA concept at the time but not viable currently. Jul 20 10:34:36 OK, will disable Jul 20 10:34:58 Currently enough people have to string together to vote a package through garage. That would be more co-ordinated than the way testing used to work. Jul 20 10:35:28 I would also recommend disabling extras-devel unless you need a specific package. Jul 20 10:36:06 Enable install the package then disable so you don't install anything you shouldn't Jul 20 10:36:15 I'm using pinning to keep extras higher priority than -devel Jul 20 10:37:13 Not sure on the effect of apt-pinning in Maemo as before Maemo wasn't really designed to use anything other than HAM Jul 20 10:38:26 domains where the way HAM controlled package priority Jul 20 10:43:30 all that goes out the window with mirrors and expired keys Jul 20 11:17:49 even the full HAM route leads me to no zile. Jul 20 11:18:52 Anyway, I have a pubcrawl in a remote suburb to do. And I shall do it without my n9 - I shall use marble! Jul 20 11:22:26 FatPhil: Can you use an undelete program or otherwise undelete the file(s)? Jul 20 11:23:39 brolin_empey: wan't needed in the end - firstly I managed to recreate it from memory (I'd only just edited it), and secondly that wasn't even necessary, as it's an autogenerated file! Jul 20 11:24:22 (which doesn't say # THIS IS AN AUTOGENERATED FILE - DO NOT EDIT! at the top, which I consider an antipattern Jul 20 11:24:58 OK. Jul 20 13:26:43 Months ago, a subject discussed in this channel was file systems originally designed for magnetic disks still being used on flash memory, such as with Windows NT still using NTFS on SSDs. For the persons who argue that desktop operating systems should use a file system designed specifically for flash memory on SSDs, like Apple is now doing with the Apple File System on Mac OS X, what happens if the user clones an SSD containing a file system designed Jul 20 13:26:43 specifically for flash memory onto a magnetic medium, such as an HDD? Will things still work well when using the file system designed for fast flash memory on a slow, rotating magnetic medium? Maybe Microsoft chooses to continue using NTFS for Windows NT because of the common practice and ease of cloning one type of drive onto the other type of drive? Yes, I realise that I did not generalise “flash memory” to “solid-state non-volatile memory” but, Jul 20 13:26:43 as far as I know, solid-state drive in practice usually still equals flash drive unless you call a RAM drive a solid-state drive but RAM is usually still volatile memory and at least some forms of NVDIMM use flash memory to achieve non-volatility. Jul 20 13:43:25 Somewhat incidentally: Do all x86 smartphones use an Intel x86 platform? Off hand, I cannot think of any non-Intel x86 smartphone. Jul 20 14:35:46 nor would I want to, then again I don't want to think of an intel x86 smartphone either. Jul 21 02:19:32 I should have bought mSATA SSDs instead of a 1.8-inch PATA SSD, some 2.5-inch PATA SSDs, and some 2.5-inch SATA SSDs. I chose fewer connectors because I thought that would be more reliable but now I would rather have more connectors but more modularity/interchangeability. Jul 21 02:34:27 Anyway, it looks like my father will give me his retired Asus UL30Vt 13-inch Core 2 ULV notebook computer that uses an internal 2.5-inch SATA HDD/SSD so I should be able to use this Core 2 ULV computer to replace my toasty AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400 (highest stock speed for Athlon Thunderbird) tower computer without needing to upgrade the current OS installation on the 2.5-inch SATA SSD (I added a SATA host controller on a parallel PCI card to the Socket A Jul 21 02:34:27 motherboard) from Ubuntu 10.04.x LTS because I still use this version of Ubuntu on a Core 2 tower computer so I know this version of Ubuntu works on a Core 2 computer. Jul 21 02:40:43 Core 2 ULV CPUs are only available soldered on a motherboard. Notebook computers use a socketed Core 2 CPU but use a different socket than desktop motherboards and no adapter/converter is available as far as I can tell so I cannot use a ULV nor mobile Core 2 CPU on a desktop motherboard. Jul 21 02:43:35 I mean notebook computers that use a higher-power-than-ULV Core 2 CPU use a socketed CPU but not the same socket as a desktop Core 2 motherboard. Jul 21 02:55:11 Is it still feasible to use a PCI PC Card/Cardbus card (parallel PCI hotpluggable card installed on the side of old notebook computers) for Ethernet on GNU+Linux? I have a Coppermine Celeron notebook computer (Toshiba Satellite 2230CDS. Yes, it has a passive-matrix display.) collecting dust but it lacks integrated Ethernet connectivity and I think the integrated USB connectivity is only full-speed. I also have a Pentium II notebook computer with internal Jul 21 02:55:11 power supply (Compaq Armada 1750) with an active-matrix display but I think it too lacks integrated Ethernet connectivity and has only full-speed integrated USB connectivity. Jul 21 02:59:00 Does the OS even need special support for PCMCIA/PC Card/Cardbus if the card is always installed? Maybe then I only need regular PCI support? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 21 02:59:57 2019