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Jul 22 03:08:35 <brolin_empey> I was originally using a notebook computer with a worn out battery for VAG-COM so I had to run an alternating current extension cord from the house to the end of the driveway where my car was parked to use VAG-COM in my car.
Jul 22 08:06:31 <bencoh> xes: awesome, thanks a lot! :)
Jul 22 08:07:24 <bencoh> FatPhil: that means both packages are already in :)
Jul 22 12:16:16 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at accesslist and feels like this channel is one of the best moderated ones around
Jul 22 12:18:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~diablo
Jul 22 12:18:20 <infobot> Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo
Jul 22 12:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> omg
Jul 22 12:18:44 <bencoh> huhu
Jul 22 12:18:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~repos
Jul 22 12:18:45 <infobot> repos is, like, "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos
Jul 22 12:20:18 <DocScrutinizer05> is  maemo diablo extras repo still around? and what about the nokia diablo repos?
Jul 22 12:20:38 <bencoh> diablo extras is still around
Jul 22 12:21:10 <bencoh> as for the original repos, iirc merlin1991 has an offline copy
Jul 22 12:21:24 <bencoh> (well, maybe an online one even)
Jul 22 12:22:07 <bencoh> sadly I didn't mirror it back then
Jul 22 12:22:09 <DocScrutinizer05> that would be damn useful, since http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/
Jul 22 12:23:26 <jrg> brolin_empey: a piece of me gave up on a “computer in the pocket” 
Jul 22 12:24:03 <jrg> The N900 was the last one heh. Nothing that had come out after that was as good as or at least on par with. 
Jul 22 12:24:22 <DocScrutinizer05> full ack
Jul 22 12:24:48 <jrg> I’ll just be one of the sheep and stick with the iPhone. I’ll ssh if I need to do “computer stuff” 
Jul 22 12:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> my problem is my damn android phone is completely out of control
Jul 22 12:25:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no friggin clue how to control the simplest stuff on it
Jul 22 12:26:08 <bencoh> jrg: if all you want is a "computer in the pocket", droid4 is getting close
Jul 22 12:26:16 <DocScrutinizer05> recently I had to *google* how to enable/disbale display of own phone number (CLIR)
Jul 22 12:26:28 <jrg> DocScrutinizer05: yeah I found it’s just easy enough to deal with iOS and its quirks. The only major one being the background time limit. But just as easy to fix with screen for shells and a push module for znc with palaver. 
Jul 22 12:26:59 <jrg> And advanced playback helps when palaver reconnects to znc 
Jul 22 12:27:15 <jrg> the N900 was so awesome tho. 
Jul 22 12:27:47 <DocScrutinizer05> this doesn't sound like you'd get a notification when somebody pings you
Jul 22 12:28:35 <jrg> Not sure about pings. Messages sure. And mentions. 
Jul 22 12:28:50 <jrg> I think maybe notifications about znc issues too. 
Jul 22 12:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you'd prolly need a ZNCplugin that sends you a SMS when somebody mentions your nick
Jul 22 12:29:16 <jrg> Well. It’s a push but I suppose similar. 
Jul 22 12:29:30 <jrg> And yes. Palaver has a push module for znc 
Jul 22 12:29:58 <jrg> Mutter was better. Absolutely awesome iOS irc app. But the dev gave up on it. Palaver is a good 2nd place tho. 
Jul 22 12:30:41 <jrg> Tbh. Maemo 5 never really had a decent irc app. I think xchat was the only one? I typically just used ssh and irssi
Jul 22 12:31:02 <DocScrutinizer05> xchat is awesome
Jul 22 12:31:02 <jrg> But then again. The N900 was underpowered out the gate. 
Jul 22 12:31:25 <jrg> I’m not saying it is bad. It’s just a bit cluttered in Maemo. 
Jul 22 12:31:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrxchat
Jul 22 12:31:34 <infobot> well, jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/   <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks'
Jul 22 12:32:42 <jrg> Heh. I just wish the messaging app had irc support on the N900. 
Jul 22 12:32:56 <jrg> The messaging app was awesome on it. 
Jul 22 12:33:43 <jrg> It’s just that the low powered soc was just not able to keep up with the times. I had a USB port snap off on me for one of them too. 
Jul 22 12:33:58 * DocScrutinizer05 has 6 pristine N810 he wants to revive
Jul 22 12:34:09 <jrg> Which I guess was a common problem that I didn’t know about. 
Jul 22 12:34:21 <jrg> DocScrutinizer05: is there an Android distro for them? 
Jul 22 12:34:36 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Jul 22 12:34:47 <jrg> I might try to install android or some stock Linux on it for using it as an OBD2 monitor. 
Jul 22 12:34:47 <DocScrutinizer05> not as far as I know
Jul 22 12:34:55 <jrg> Blah lol. 
Jul 22 12:35:16 <jrg> N810 had closed Maemo bits too I’m guessing? 
Jul 22 12:35:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't want to, you'll break charging at least. You want easydeb and run ODB inside that
Jul 22 12:35:33 <jrg> I vaguely remember N900 having open vs closed issues 
Jul 22 12:35:56 <jrg> Oh. Forgot about easydeb. 
Jul 22 12:36:37 <jrg> I’ll play with it when I get back home. 
Jul 22 12:36:49 <jrg> It would be nice to put it to some use. 
Jul 22 12:37:40 <DocScrutinizer05> same here :-)
Jul 22 12:37:56 <DocScrutinizer05> but I need to update those to diablo fist
Jul 22 12:38:20 <DocScrutinizer05> they're still chinook(?)
Jul 22 12:38:33 <DocScrutinizer05> first*
Jul 22 12:38:38 <jrg> Mine is running Diablo already. Is that even updated anymore? 
Jul 22 12:38:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Jul 22 12:38:51 <DocScrutinizer05> no wasy
Jul 22 12:39:02 <jrg> Well. You never know heh. 
Jul 22 12:39:18 <bencoh> jrg: if you're looking for a "new use" for your n900, you should have a look at maemo-leste
Jul 22 12:39:24 <DocScrutinizer05> b ut it still should "just work" except prolly for stuff like ssh etc
Jul 22 12:39:41 <jrg> bencoh: I don’t have an N900 anymore. 
Jul 22 12:39:44 <bencoh> ah
Jul 22 12:40:01 <jrg> I have an N810 still. 
Jul 22 12:40:09 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: I thought maemo-leste was not available for N900 and never planned to be?
Jul 22 12:40:20 <jrg> What is it for? 
Jul 22 12:40:28 <jrg> Someone mentioned a new device earlier. 
Jul 22 12:40:47 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: uh? it's one of the main (and best supported) target
Jul 22 12:40:56 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Jul 22 12:42:22 <jrg> So there is not a new supported Maemo device other than the Neo900?
Jul 22 12:42:46 <jrg> Or one planned? 
Jul 22 12:42:53 * DocScrutinizer05 screams and runs away
Jul 22 12:43:24 <bencoh> ohmy :(
Jul 22 12:44:08 <jrg> Haha. Someone was talking about a device earlier. 
Jul 22 12:44:28 <jrg> That would support leste 
Jul 22 12:45:28 <jrg> ah. PinePhone 
Jul 22 12:47:32 <jrg> Just looked at it. Sort of seems like another pandora pipe dream 
Jul 22 12:53:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, pyra. I recall "who's gonna be shipping first, Neo900 or Pyra" seems it's a dead race
Jul 22 12:54:17 <Wizzup> jrg: I already have the devkit
Jul 22 12:54:22 <Wizzup> It'll ship in a few more months
Jul 22 12:54:26 <Wizzup> (pinephone)
Jul 22 12:56:03 <jrg> Wizzup: I don’t know. I’ll believe it when I see it. Doesn’t look like it has a qwerty tho. 
Jul 22 12:56:32 <Wizzup> no, it does not. it will feature some bus on the back. also have the pinetab(let) here, which does feature keyboard.
Jul 22 12:57:03 <Wizzup> pine64 project lead is quite responsive, and I'm pretty confident they'll get it out on time and for the cost they state (150 dollar)
Jul 22 12:57:24 <Wizzup> they have bus on the back (iirc i2c) and vbus (wireless charging) because I asked for keyboard possibilities
Jul 22 12:57:57 <FireFly> wait, 150? I thought I'd heard 300
Jul 22 12:58:04 <Wizzup> where did you read that?
Jul 22 12:58:10 <FireFly> Must've misremembered
Jul 22 12:58:15 <jrg> It will be neat if it works out. But I had higher expectations for the canonical devices.  
Jul 22 12:58:23 <Wizzup> https://liliputing.com/2019/06/pinephone-149-linux-smartphone-could-support-ubuntu-sailfish-maemo-luneos-and-more.html
Jul 22 12:58:36 <Wizzup> jrg: getting something about might lead to a v2
Jul 22 12:58:40 <jrg> They had a good 1 week showing. But kind of tapered off. 
Jul 22 12:58:43 <Wizzup> in any case - for that cheap I think people will get it 'just to have it' too
Jul 22 12:59:35 <jrg> Wizzup: I’ll hang back and see how it goes. I’d love something like a newer N900 but probably not going to happen. Market is pretty brutal. 
Jul 22 13:01:33 <jrg> Maemo without hw acceleration. :) that brings back memories. 
Jul 22 13:01:47 <Wizzup> it mostly works with the free driver now, too
Jul 22 13:01:52 <Wizzup> (3d accel)
Jul 22 13:02:31 <jrg> Well I’m hopeful it pans out. I’d jump onboard if it did. 
Jul 22 13:03:09 <jrg> Probably as a secondary device. Or if they had a qwerty version in the future. 
Jul 22 13:03:13 <Wizzup> honestly I am most 'worried' about proper SW on the pinephone
Jul 22 13:03:21 <Wizzup> none of the project apart from maybe ubports has usable calls ;) 
Jul 22 13:03:26 <jrg> SW? 
Jul 22 13:03:29 <Wizzup> software
Jul 22 13:03:30 <Wizzup> userspace
Jul 22 13:03:37 <Wizzup> leste can do quite some stuff, but there's no usable browser, etc.
Jul 22 13:03:45 <jrg> Oh. 
Jul 22 13:04:01 <Wizzup> anyway, #maemo-leste may be better fit
Jul 22 13:04:03 <jrg> Port microb lol. 
Jul 22 13:04:13 <jrg> I’m sure there will be one.  Seems kind of necessary. 
Jul 22 13:04:29 <Wizzup> some of the ones in debian repo work quite ok, but it's not quite the same yet
Jul 22 13:04:30 <jrg> There’s always lynx/links(2) 
Jul 22 13:05:27 <jrg> There was a neat little proxyesque project that would convert html to ascii / ansi 
Jul 22 13:06:01 <Wizzup> all of that will just work, but I mean a modern and usable one ;) 
Jul 22 13:06:33 <Wizzup> https://maemo-leste.github.io/images/droid4-various-apps.png
Jul 22 13:07:57 <bencoh> midori is okayish
Jul 22 13:08:09 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: you got diablo base repos?
Jul 22 13:08:17 <bencoh> It'd probably benefit from a webkit upgrade though
Jul 22 13:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> future of webbrowsing: VNC and your own server with octocore 
Jul 22 13:16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> it's bizarre and silly
Jul 22 13:19:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd say if a protocol like HTML which basically is meant to be a descriptive language like e.g. postscript etc takes more resources on target than a raw transfer of complete desktop display and mouse and keyboard events in realtime, then something got SEVERELY messed up and FUBAR
Jul 22 13:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> all that processing oughta be done on *server* not target
Jul 22 13:22:29 <DocScrutinizer05> oh Turkey builds KZs now? 
Jul 22 13:22:54 <DocScrutinizer05> "50 new prisons for up to 500,000 people"
Jul 22 13:30:13 <Wizzup> droid renders a lot of pages quite fast, and it's a really old device, so not sure if there's such a big deal
Jul 22 13:30:54 <DocScrutinizer05> if all the people arrested for "support of terrorism", meh if only 5% of those actually had suüpported terrorism, then Erdogan would have been killed years ago already and "Terrorism" was the power in command now
Jul 22 17:30:03 <halftux> xes: thank you
Jul 22 17:34:14 <halftux> FatPhil: I recognized that you wanted your patched "an" v0.95 and I uploaded the 1.2-1 from jessie. I can upload your version as "an-phil" package if you like
Jul 22 17:39:44 <halftux> FatPhil: and how about wbritish package? dictionary which you can use with "an"?
Jul 23 00:43:00 <jrg> So I just went ahead and bought a $30 iOS compatible obd2 adapter. 
Jul 23 00:43:29 <jrg> It’s smaller too so I can just keep it connected. Just need to make sure I take it off for oil changes so some chump doesn’t steal it. 
Jul 23 00:45:18 <jrg> Seemed a bit pointless to not just use my phone for this. Lol. Too bad carman didn’t run properly. 
Jul 23 00:45:25 <jrg> RIP N900
Jul 23 00:45:33 <jrg> Uhm. N810
Jul 23 01:22:41 <brolin_empey> jrg: OK.
Jul 23 02:34:19 <luke-jr> jrg: I got one of those once; never could get it to work
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