**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 25 02:59:58 2019 Nov 25 20:36:44 Tired. Nokia N900 has been bullied by our 8yo brother for a very long time. "Get an Android", "It's not a smartphone", "It cannot send SMS", "Nokia N900 is a dumb dumb", "Nokias aren't interesting", and so on. Nov 25 20:37:16 kids will bully over stupidest things Nov 25 20:37:19 nothing new Nov 25 20:37:47 Today morning, I have returned home from beach walk to find Nokia N900 with battery taken out. Wonder how damaged the file system may be?.. Nov 25 20:38:34 When questioned, he said "It wouldn't stop beeping". Considering that it was and is Silent, the only sound could have been 7 o'clock alarm. Nov 25 20:38:48 or ghosts Nov 25 20:39:11 What did he do, confuse Snooze and Stop? Nov 25 20:39:31 School should have taught him reading long ago. Nov 25 20:39:42 maybe it was afraid Nov 25 20:40:36 I am too tired of my sister's unrealistic jokes to even find such suggestions funny. Nov 25 20:40:47 I am too serious. Nov 25 20:41:59 And my sister's Nokia 8110 4G has got unasked for 6 o'clock alarm, at least once. Pretty sure that only our brother could have set the alarm. Nov 25 22:20:57 hey KotCzarny you got kids too? Nov 25 22:30:38 Is a person who is younger than the N900 qualified to opine about the N900? Nov 25 22:32:47 he thinks he is; the adults think they're qualified to get angry, too Nov 25 22:33:36 it's one of the most energy wasting reactions with the least impact on the situation Nov 25 22:34:32 and then a minute later the said "adult" talks nicely about how kites or butterflies or $whatever works, as if there was nothing happened with the mobile... Nov 25 22:35:19 have you tried doing that with your kids? scream at them for unqualified opinions about your nokia mobile, and then a minute later lead an innocent conversation. wait 5 or 15 mins for their next tease, repeat Nov 25 22:36:29 to be fair thats a bit offtopic here, i would be a bit more interested in ways to get pmwiki on a nokia device Nov 25 22:36:40 and that needs php-fastcgi, but i only have php-cgi in the packages Nov 25 22:36:58 and at pmwiki web site i do not see install instructions for lighttpd Nov 25 22:37:29 I do not have a child and do not want one. Nov 25 22:37:43 hey gry! Nov 25 22:37:47 hey DocScrutinizer05 Nov 25 22:37:53 long time we did not speak i believe Nov 25 22:38:11 yeah Nov 25 22:38:30 i had this idea of making a mobile device with no screen, controlled by audio Nov 25 22:38:38 and my sister is getting started on it gradually Nov 25 22:38:57 do we have an offtopic channel somewhere which is not logged publicly? Nov 25 22:41:58 seems you already found it Nov 25 22:43:41 gry: Like the (apparently now discontinued) iPod Shuffle? Nov 25 22:45:11 I don't think I am familiar with ipod Nov 25 22:46:31 'funny' enough there was a suggestion for a similar concept on neo900. To go modular with a main device that has no kbd, no display and not even much of speakers Nov 25 22:46:46 did Neo900 ever ship?\ Nov 25 22:46:54 lol nope Nov 25 22:47:25 is it still a project? Nov 25 22:47:27 ah I see where that question came from Nov 25 22:47:37 Neo900 never reached the number of preorders so it stalled shortly before proto_v2 Nov 25 22:47:56 I think neo900 ended, and I am not sure whether translating its website to other languages would have helped Nov 25 22:48:10 I had this idea and even cloned its website to my localhost once Nov 25 22:48:23 but that stopped there and then, as I was too busy with homework and relocations etc Nov 25 22:53:11 got a power measurement tool and it looks like nokia n900, while being a full linux computer, uses close to no power Nov 25 22:53:37 Presumably the easiest way to make a screen-less mobile would be to just take the screen off an N900 or something (and obviously come up with some other cover for the exposed PCB) Nov 25 23:00:35 gry: don't worry, Neo900 ended because of too long time it took to find layouters and too few preorders to sustain the project Nov 25 23:01:04 yes i thought translating to other languages would have opened non-english preorders Nov 25 23:01:08 not sure how many though Nov 25 23:01:22 if you or someone else decide to make another device i am still willing to help with translations Nov 25 23:01:56 judging by email we received, asking for details in non-english language, it wouldn't have made any differemce Nov 25 23:02:29 ok Nov 25 23:02:33 sorry nope, I'm done with running a company Nov 25 23:03:00 alas $trouble isn't done with me yet Nov 25 23:03:21 yep Nov 25 23:03:47 did you know it costs $$$$ and takes 12 months+ to *shut down* a GmbH? Nov 25 23:04:21 that sounds a tad painful Nov 25 23:04:29 not just a tad Nov 25 23:04:45 thats weird, do they want companies to keep going? :-/ Nov 25 23:05:01 i remember maemo became an eV, but i don't recall what happened from there; i think this is less pain Nov 25 23:06:10 the easiest way is prolly "chaper 11" Nov 25 23:06:17 chapter* Nov 25 23:06:31 in German it's "Insolvenz" Nov 25 23:08:28 that sounds like bankrupty style thing Nov 25 23:11:29 it is Nov 25 23:12:13 "alas" Neo900 UH not bankrupt enough for that Nov 25 23:12:20 UG even Nov 25 23:12:50 paradox prank Nov 25 23:13:50 I'm sure there are ways around that, known by lawyers which cost $$$$ again Nov 25 23:15:23 conclusion: never even think about running a company if you can't afford a lawyer, an accountant and a sevretary fulltime Nov 25 23:15:43 secretary* Nov 25 23:17:02 and a web designer / PR officer Nov 25 23:17:27 yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 26 02:59:57 2019