**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 02 02:59:57 2020 Apr 02 03:34:40 deepy: I have not seen it IRL but it does not have an image burned in as far as I know. It is far away even with a car: around a 40 km, 45 minute drive each way. I do not need it but I was curious to try a plasma display panel after my SyncMaster 275T died in September because I have never had a plasma display panel but I replaced the SyncMaster 275T with a spare SyncMaster 2243WM then my friend gave me a Dell 1920×1080 LCD video monitor and he has a Apr 02 03:34:40 Haier 1920×1080 LCD television receiver/video monitor to give me too but I have not yet gotten it from him. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 02 09:00:55 2020 Apr 02 17:04:48 The MintBox 3 sounds impressive as a high-end solid-state SFF stationary x86-64 computer with a discrete nVidia GPU but it probably costs way more than I want to spend.  Despite its name, apparently it can run Windows NT (Windows 10) too. Apr 02 18:17:19 https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3875 Apr 02 18:20:34 I'm not into mint and I'd sooner build some ITX machine Apr 02 18:29:12 Considering that it can apparently run Windows NT, which is not even a *nix OS, I guess it can run other GNU+Linux distributions too. Apr 02 23:54:34 Is the version of wget in Ubuntu 10.04.x LTS now unable to download a file from a Wikimedia public Web site using HTTPS? :-/ Apr 02 23:54:34 $ time wget https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Freescale_Semiconductor_logo.svg Apr 02 23:54:34 --2020-04-02 16:50:53-- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Freescale_Semiconductor_logo.svg Apr 02 23:54:34 Resolving upload.wikimedia.org... 198.35.26.112, 2620:0:863:ed1a::2:b Apr 02 23:54:34 Connecting to upload.wikimedia.org|198.35.26.112|:443... connected. Apr 02 23:54:36 OpenSSL: error:1407742E:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert protocol version Apr 02 23:54:38 Unable to establish SSL connection. Apr 03 00:02:31 10.04? Lucid? Apr 03 00:07:20 sixwheeledbeast: Yes, 10.04 Lucid Lynx. Apr 03 00:08:21 Support ended in 2013 Apr 03 00:08:34 2015 if on ESM Apr 03 00:12:54 That does not matter. It is not worth my time to try to upgrade the OS. I will just use wget on another computer with newer software and use scp to copy the downloaded file over the network to the Ubuntu 10.04.x LTS computer. This Ubuntu installation is for x86-32 but apparently Ubuntu 20.04 will not be released for x86-32 so I guess I could not upgrade this installation to the current release even if I wanted to and had too much free time. Apr 03 00:25:44 Done. Used wget in Cygwin on my office computer, used scp to copy the downloaded file to the Ubuntu 10.04.x LTS computer. Apr 03 00:31:11 that's not the case the libraries will just be kept as the 18.04 LTS versions. Apr 03 00:32:20 I wouldn't be expecting anything crypto to work if the OS is out of date. Apr 03 01:39:57 brolin_empey: I have the same problem with my compaq n600c new packages do not run on this old machine Apr 03 01:40:17 When I have time I am going to try BSD on that machine Apr 03 01:40:44 it is a Pentium III 1 Ghz with 256 Mb mem Apr 03 01:48:37 sunshavi: I only said that I am using an x86-32 OS, not that I am using an x86-32 computer. The computer running Ubuntu 10.04.x LTS is a Core 2 era computer but using only SSDs, not any HDD. All Core 2 CPUs support x86-64 so can still run modern OSes. This computer has 2 GiB of main memory. It had 4 GiB but I replaced the full-size ATX tower computer I was using with a SFF desktop computer from HP. Now I have two HP SFF desktop computers in the same Apr 03 01:48:37 space on the table as the one full-size ATX tower computer, which is now my spare Core 2 tower computer at home. Apr 03 01:50:34 brolin_empey: nice Apr 03 01:54:53 You can assemble or buy an already assembled Socket T (LGA775) computer with the Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU for cheap. The C2D E8400 CPU sells for around 15 CAD on eBay from Toronto, Canada and 4×2-GiB DDR2 SDRAM DIMMs for 8 GiB total main memory sells new for around 30 CAD on eBay from sellers in Asia. You could also use a Socket AM2 motherboard because then you can use the low-cost but high-density 4-GiB DDR2 DIMMs that work with an AMD computer but not with Apr 03 01:54:53 an Intel computer. Apr 03 01:56:58 mmm. have I mentioned that I have an orange pi plus 2e? Apr 03 01:57:29 that I use as my main workstation (always on) Apr 03 02:07:18 BTW. the best thing about core duo is not having the intel management engine. So those are good machines. Apr 03 02:18:45 I thought that all Orange Pi computers are ARM, not x86. I said Core 2 Duo, not Core Duo. Core 2 is x86-64 and at least some (or all?) of the Core 2 era motherboards have the Intel Management Engine. Core (retronym: Core 1) is 80686 only. Early AMD x86-64 platforms, such as the AM2 era that I mentioned, do not have something like the Intel ME as far as I know, though, because AMD only added that with the Platform Security Processor (PSP) in recent x86-64 Apr 03 02:18:45 platforms, such as Ryzen. You could also use the VIA x86-64 platform (VIA Nano). Apr 03 02:20:41 yes. orange pi are ARM. those are cheap also. less space. Apr 03 02:22:32 VIA are hot cpus?. the last time i used AMD the laptop got very hot. the have problems to cool their processors AMD i am talking abotu Apr 03 02:22:50 s/abotu/about Apr 03 02:58:27 x86-64 computers can be small too, such as the Latte Panda, Up Board, and Minnow Board Turbot, which all use an Intel x86-64 platform. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 02:59:56 2020